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While Honda and Toyota are readying new NGV’s, HEVs, PHEV’s and BEV’s, Ford releases the next Navigator. (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?p=150707)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/2009_Lincoln_Navigator1.jpgWayne Gerdes – CleanMPG (www.cleanmpg.com) – Sept. 24, 2008

2009 Lincoln Navigator 4x4 and the newly named “Monstroserous” Excursion L version, expect 13 to 14 mpg combined.

Dearborn, MI -- The 2009 Lincoln Navigator boasts a significant improvement in fuel economy that puts it ahead of the other full-size luxury sport utility vehicles in the segment.

The Navigator, thanks to a combination of architectural changes and systems engineering enhancements, has increased its fuel efficiency to an amazing EPA-estimated 14 mpg city, 20 mpg highway and 16 mpg combined on 4X2 models. And the 4x4 models? They are over the 6,000 pound weight limit so fuel efficiency testing and ratings do not have to be completed or reported.

Combined with overall setup changes that offer lower idling speeds and transmission enhancements, the additional fuel economy makes the Navigator another poor choice in the full-size luxury-utility segment.

The Navigator is powered by a 5.4 liter, three-valve Triton V-8, mated to a six-speed automatic transmission, which generates 300 horsepower and 365 foot-pounds of torque. A wide-ratio, six-speed transmission has smaller steps between gears than a typical four-speed automatic, offering improved shift quality and faster acceleration.

Unique software has been engineered to regulate gas consumption by using aggressive deceleration fuel shut-off delivering considerable fuel savings with no extra effort from the driver. This complex fuel strategy is being added to many Ford products to help improve fuel economy across the board.

"Deceleration is when you take your foot off the accelerator and you're coasting and the system very aggressively shuts fuel off," says Rich. "It sounds simple, but it's not at all simple. To make this work, we had to carefully manage the complex and constantly changing air-fuel mixture caused by aggressively shutting off fuel flow."

"It's so sophisticated, it's imperceptible to the customer," Rich added. "There's no bump, no hesitation. The catalyst systems come back to life without taking an emissions hit.

To think Ford is releasing 65 mpg + capable Fiesta’s in Europe as we speak :ccry:

This is obviously one of those projects that has been in the pipelines for years and happened to be released at the worst possible time.

That being said, I can't see that they'll sell more than 5000 units during the life of production.

Dearborn, MI -- The 2009 Lincoln Navigator boasts a significant improvement in fuel economy that puts it ahead of the other full-size luxury sport utility vehicles in the segment.

"Deceleration is when you take your foot off the accelerator and you're coasting and the system very aggressively shuts fuel off," says Rich. "It sounds simple, but it's not at all simple. To make this work, we had to carefully manage the complex and constantly changing air-fuel mixture caused by aggressively shutting off fuel flow."

BWAHAHAHAHA........oh wait, i really don't know whether to laugh or cry. :(

My minivan seats as many, has a more comfortable 3rd row seat, has a larger interior and more cargo space in the back, and gets better mileage.

Why this, why now?

I voted for the Sequoia as the biggest guzzler.
2009 Navigator 2WD "XFE" - 14/16/20 (city/combined/highway)
2009 Tahoe 2WD XFE - 15/17/21 (to the Escalade's non-XFE-tuned 12/14/19)
2009 Sequoia 2WD 4.7L - 14/15/17

My sister's boss has the Sequoia and he's not even getting 10mpg. But he works it hard - it needs to transport the weight of his body and his briefcase. Sadly, that cargo would fit neatly into a Smart.

We know about these blobs. It's Acura/Honda spamming me with "More Power for 2009" that is galling. They're on the edge of heading in the right direction and they blow it by 'embiggening' the Acura (Euro Accord) lineup (http://www.acura.com/index.aspx?initPath=TL).

They all will need to stall for 2 years, selling what they have in the pipe...

I voted "other"

According to fueleconomy.gov, the prize goes to (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bestworstEPAtrucks.htm) the Mercedes-Benz G 55 AMG 4WD...

11/13

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This is obviously one of those projects that has been in the pipelines for years and happened to be released at the worst possible time.

That being said, I can't see that they'll sell more than 5000 units during the life of production.

I have to agree with both here.

Speaking of bad timing.--I saw an ad for this last night on TV--Kia is apparently launching a "luxury" SUV:

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2009/kia/borrego/101034507/specs.html

15 city/20 hwy is surprising considering it's a V8, but still it just seems like the wrong vehicle at the wrong time. Kia should stick to doing what it does best, small inexpensive vehicles, and not try to fight for a market segment that is starting to collapse.

As for the Navigator, I always thought that most people who actually need that size vehicle/towing capacity probably don't need the "luxury" features, and should just stick with the Expedition.

"can it crush cars??"

My wife has a 2002 Navigator that she bought before gas got crazy.. I have to admit they ride nice, but the 11/15 mpg is beyond aweful. So now we both ride scooters to work that get 80+mpg. Paid for by the savings in fuel from driving the navigator. hehe

I voted "Other", specifically for the Chrysler full-size SUV's (Durango, Aspen, Commander, Grand Cherokee). I see hundreds, perhaps thousands of these everywhere I drive around Metro Detroit (northern suburbs). I sometimes draft behind Commanders on the highway because of their large profile.

They aren't even comfortable or very roomy inside. I rode in the backseat of a Commander for a business trip, and it was very cramped. I expect more comfort and space from a large vehicle.

My Mazda Tribute has more backseat room, as it doesn't pretend to be a 7-seater. People have even commented that my Hyundai Elantra's backseat is very roomy and comfortable.

The Aspen is supposed to be an upscale Durango; I rode in a rented one and it still had cheap cloth seatcovers with hard bench cushions.

Honorable mention goes to the GMT-921 hybrids (Tahoe and Escalade Hybrid). It's about as smart and effective as polishing a turd, and you pay several thousand dollars as a premium. (For that you could just go out and get a used small car or perhaps a new Chevy Aveo!) The commercials for the Escalade just rub me the wrong way, especially for the Escalade Hybrid. "Maybe they ought to hybrid one of these..."
I saw a line of about seven of the Tahoe Hybrids running in formation up I-75 heading north, maintaining a very steady nominal highway speed (that is to say, sandbagging). Most likely GM test fleet or demonstration vehicles.

Unique software has been engineered to regulate gas consumption by using aggressive deceleration fuel shut-off delivering considerable fuel savings with no extra effort from the driver. This complex fuel strategy is being added to many Ford products to help improve fuel economy across the board.

"Deceleration is when you take your foot off the accelerator and you're coasting and the system very aggressively shuts fuel off," says Rich. "It sounds simple, but it's not at all simple. To make this work, we had to carefully manage the complex and constantly changing air-fuel mixture caused by aggressively shutting off fuel flow."

LOL

"unique . . . aggressive . . . considerable fuel savings . . . complex . . . not at all simple . . ." and to think, they are probably fooling thousands with that wording.

LOL

"unique . . . aggressive . . . considerable fuel savings . . . complex . . . not at all simple . . ." and to think, they are probably fooling thousands with that wording.

Ha! And they also have this newfangled thingie called a "torque converter" in the transmission that eliminates the clutch pedal, too. Other revolutionary advances are electric lighting, tubeless tires, and a transistorized radio that doesn't take any time to warm up. The heck with the dismal 14mpg city. I need one of these! It's darn near a flying saucer.

Ha! And they also have this newfangled thingie called a "torque converter" in the transmission that eliminates the clutch pedal, too. Other revolutionary advances are electric lighting, tubeless tires, and a transistorized radio that doesn't take any time to warm up. The heck with the dismal 14mpg city. I need one of these! It's darn near a flying saucer.


I'm still trying to wrap my mind around: "The catalyst systems come back to life without taking an emissions hit." :eyebrow:

Your missing the beauty of it.
This isn't a truck. It's a FEMA trailer.
I'm fond of the driver side slipper storage cubby, rooftop garden (Think green), and the lattice skirts options.
Too bad we have to pay these same companies $25 Billion to remember how to build lower quality American versions of Hyundai's and Kia's. Which you will need to buy, just to make short runs to the store. With an optional towing package.

The BIG 3 cry, Without Taxpayers money, We cant survive.

$25 Billion is better spent buying Mitsubishi, rather than making the arrogant bunch build what they just dont want to.
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vangonebuy, that's the best idea I've heard all year except I would suggest we buy Honda and/or Toyota instead.