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Schwarzenegger: Just by following the recommendations in this fantastic website, you can reduce your fuel costs by more than 15% -- and I'm talking about simple things, like proper tire pressure, avoiding rapid starts and stops -- (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_081908/content/01125111.guest.html)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/rush.jpgRushLimbaugh.com - Aug 19, 2008

I hope the day comes when someone calls him out like a General did Sen. Joe McCarthy if he has any shame promoting gas guzzeling as patriotism. -- Ed.

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Rush: Now, I want to illustrate something else, in this audio sound bite here. Yesterday in Albuquerque at a town meeting, Barack Obama, he met with Boone Pickens, and he picked up some more talking points to robotically repeat. Listen to this.

Obama: We are sending $700 billion to foreign nations. It's a huge transfer of our wealth. It oftentimes leads us to funding both sides of the war on terrorism because we're sending a bunch of that money to the Middle East and countries that don't necessarily like us, and it is fundamentally impacting our environment. Climate change is real, and we're starting to see the effects of it, uhh, in -- in profound ways, and it's affecting people's pocketbooks. So the only way that we are going to solve this problem is if we fundamentally change how we use energy…http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_081908/content/01125111.guest.html

Hi Chuck:

___With all the drivel coming from a drug addict, he wouldn’t know addiction if it was staring him in the face. Oh wait, it is staring him in the face and of course he doesn't get it :(

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Rush is just as retarded as ever. Don't mind him.

I try to go light on politics, but this man perverts the meaning of conservatism.

I've driven more conservatively by learning to DWL - steady effort...the dittoheads are encouraging the political opposite of DWL (called bipartisanship)...wide political swings between administrations - not good.

Why is this man still in a position that means anything to the public??? He seems.to know very well what his own rearend looks like from a proctologist's point of view. I HOPE people dont really buy into his crap which is really just done for attention...

Why is this man still in a position that means anything to the public??? He seems.to know very well what his own rearend looks like from a proctologist's point of view. I HOPE people dont really buy into his crap which is really just done for attention...

Well this drug addict earns 31 million a year and has a weekly audience of 13.5 million people. I listen daily although he is wrong on this point. So to answer your question of why he is in this position I would point out it seems people want him there. he has always said he would retire when no one listened anymore.

I don't see any real discussion here, just name calling. This is the problem with politics it always degenerates to name calling and worse.

Rush may say some ignorant things from time to time, but, when taken out of the original context it looks like he is a loon.

I have listened to him off and on for 20 years, and one thing you have to keep in mind is that he makes money based on how many listeners he has, and he has never failed to keep people up in arms.

In this situation he was merely trying to point out that the items listed as fuel saving tips would in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM save us enough oil to stop importing it from outside of the US.
The lunacy that we should buy oil from our enemies and their supporters needs to be put to an end.
Between the oil in the gulf of mexico (15 billion barrels plus), Alaska (20-40 billion barrels),
Montanna and the rockies (150+ billion barrels) we could become indepentdent from them.

and no Ms Pelosi, it would not take 10 years to see an improvement.
If we started dfrillign in ANWAR today, we would see the oil in less that 12 months, 18-24 in the Gulf.

Why do we keep electing these IDIOTS to govern us?

No thread that begins with Rush can end well.

Rush may say some ignorant things from time to time, but, when taken out of the original context it looks like he is a loon.

I have listened to him off and on for 20 years, and one thing you have to keep in mind is that he makes money based on how many listeners he has, and he has never failed to keep people up in arms.

In this situation he was merely trying to point out that the items listed as fuel saving tips would in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM save us enough oil to stop importing it from outside of the US.
The lunacy that we should buy oil from our enemies and their supporters needs to be put to an end.
Between the oil in the gulf of mexico (15 billion barrels plus), Alaska (20-40 billion barrels),
Montanna and the rockies (150+ billion barrels) we could become indepentdent from them.

and no Ms Pelosi, it would not take 10 years to see an improvement.
If we started dfrillign in ANWAR today, we would see the oil in less that 12 months, 18-24 in the Gulf.

Why do we keep electing these IDIOTS to govern us?

More drilling does not always lead to the abundance of oil everyone thinks. Check out this graph:

http://www.theoildrum.com/files/DrillingvProd1949to2005.gif

Yes, I can see your point, but most of the advances in exploration have come about in the past 10-15 years. Drilling in many places has been a LARGE part of the exploration effort. Many times the drilling is done because there is a feeling that there is oil in the area, sometimes it is futile. However, when there are areas with KNOWN reserves, this would not be the case.
Also, there have been no new refineries built in the US in 30 years. Add that to the mix and you have shortages. Remember that the next time you hear of a refinery fire and gas shoots up 20cents a gallon for 6 weeks.

I compltely agree that we need to be weaning ourselves off of oil, but until that has been accomplished in the next 20-30 years, lets use our own instead of the Arabs. We buy it from them and a lot of the money ends up to be used against us.

If you apply the same logic that says "Rush MUST be right because so many people listen to him and he makes so much money" to the FE issue, you would have to deduce that The Big 3 were right to make FSPs because everybody bought them and wanted them. And we are idiots to hypermile, because so many people are in their FSPs "Rushing" from red light to red light. They must be right so many people are doing it... and many of them are very wealthy.
I used to listen to Rush... 'used to "buy in"... finally realized that for me, he was toxic.

If people did what I do, Rush, The Jerry Springer Show, The National Enquirer, and Howard Stern would have to do something different than scream for attention. Unfortunately, there are enough of us out there that give them an audience that they do quite well. Really infuriated an admin at another site when I pointed out his absolute free speech policy meant hard core trollers would just bait until the weaker members (and they are always weakers ones in a large forum) would keep the pot stirred indefinitely.

If you have noticed entertainers, the bottom line is being interesting but the really good ones can do it without resorting to the gutter level like the onces I've mentioned.

Yes, I can see your point, but most of the advances in exploration have come about in the past 10-15 years. Drilling in many places has been a LARGE part of the exploration effort. Many times the drilling is done because there is a feeling that there is oil in the area, sometimes it is futile. However, when there are areas with KNOWN reserves, this would not be the case.
Also, there have been no new refineries built in the US in 30 years. Add that to the mix and you have shortages. Remember that the next time you hear of a refinery fire and gas shoots up 20cents a gallon for 6 weeks.

I compltely agree that we need to be weaning ourselves off of oil, but until that has been accomplished in the next 20-30 years, lets use our own instead of the Arabs. We buy it from them and a lot of the money ends up to be used against us.

welcome to cleanmpg. it would be nice to have an intro and information on your ride....:)

This is classic Rush. He “fuels” narcissism, egotism, hatred. :( For those of you who have bought the rest of the tripe he dishes up, see how Rush handles the facts. Think about it. If he treats an issue you are personally very aware of so very poorly, what about the other issues you can’t verify? His influence is scary :eek:

welcome to cleanmpg. it would be nice to have an intro and information on your ride....:)

Nice observation. :)

I guess I don't understand why CleanMPG conservatives hold someone like Rush in high regard, given that he's not a conservative in the traditional sense.

Rush is one part libertarian / one part American exceptionalist / one part no-nothing. Put them all together, and you get:

"Energy conservation is multiple slaps in the face............a way of limiting my freedom to burn energy in quantities of my choosing..........and a way of saying the USA.......the greatest nation on earth........does not have the ability to produce and/or import as much energy as it sees fit. You tell me there is finite supply of fossil fuel energy? I tell you that that can not be the case, because it would limit my philosophical underpinnings of extreme individual freedom and my mythical belief that.......with sufficient will....the USA as a nation can not be weakened by anything."

That's basically what it comes down to. Rush can not be an Edmund Burke in the traditional conservative sense, because it would destroy his world view........the facts of oil depletion will just have to be damned instead.

ditto, Marc :o

I'm more conservative on my energy use than Rush, attend worship more often, don't find McCain as replusive as Rush does, have traditional values that include echewing drug abuse ;), voted GOP in general elections since 1976 and I'm not a conservative?

Rush does not speak for me.

Ugh. (Must add words to make 10 characters.)

"I guess I don't understand why CleanMPG conservatives hold someone like Rush in high regard." This is an example of a "strawman argument," one that establishes its basis on a presumption that is likely to be false. Rush Limbaugh seems to have a misguided view of our energy problem - from what I've read here. I don't have the opportunity to listen to him, so I don't know all he is saying about this issue. He has been very successful at what he does, and I don't think you get there by being an "idiot." On the other hand, I'm amazed that he seems to misunderstand our energy situation so fundamentally. I guess it is an area that he should stay away from. As to the use of the "r" word, that's quite offensive to me and some of my friends.

I guess I don't understand why CleanMPG conservatives hold someone like Rush in high regard, given that he's not a conservative in the traditional sense.



I sure don't!

That photograph really sums up Rush: belligerent, boastful, ignorant, phallic-symbol-cigar, the whole works. What a maroon.

Harry

I sure don't!

That photograph really sums up Rush: belligerent, boastful, ignorant, phallic-symbol-cigar, the whole works. What a maroon.

Harry

What's a maroon?

voted GOP in general elections since 1976 and I'm not a conservative?


You're bragging about this fact? Especially in '04?? Just goes to show you that even intelligent people can be brainwashed at times.

I have one question for Rush. He says he does not do jackrabbit starts, he drives sensibly, he certainty implies that he is currently getting the best gas mileage he can out of his car.

So let him tell us just how much he is beating the EPA numbers for his car? Unless he is beating those numbers than he is blowing nothing but hot air.

Hey, whaddya know, my old pal Rush! At one point, I promised readers of my blog that I wouldn't mention him again, but when he started bringing this stuff up, I couldn't resist. (I know I brought him up in these forums too, just to see what you guys' reaction to it might be.) It wouldn't be that big a deal if he didn't have such influence (or so it would appear). Remember this (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_062508/content/01125108.guest.html):

So I drove down there, checked in the hotel, stayed overnight and got all those doodads on the dashboard that tell me — your car does, too — the range you’ve got based on the gas in the tank and what miles per gallon you’re getting and so forth. Twelve on the highway, 12, I think it was 12.8 on the highway. I said, yes!

What a tool.

You're bragging about this fact? Especially in '04?? Just goes to show you that even intelligent people can be brainwashed at times.

I believe the topic is Rush & FE, not the fact that Chuck is obviously more intelligent than you or me. ;)

What's a maroon?

It's a gentler way of saying moron. I believe Bugs Bunny is who I got it from.

Harry

07mpshei,

2004 did not have very good choices IMHO, and I definitely want a departure of this Administration's Energy Policy.

If Rush is a thinking (I mean calculating) man, he does not promote it on his program.

For example, it's supposed to be impossible an arch-conservative like James Woolsey could drive a Prius. {sigh}

Good point, I digressed, sorry Chuck.

I just can't believe that so many people listen to this whacko. Millions of people listen every day? That's just crazy. I've heard his show numerous times and it's all the same crap about how the "left" this, and "liberal" that is ruining this country and people just swallow it up. It honestly gives me a sour stomach.

No problem, 07mpshei

Good point, I digressed, sorry Chuck.

I just can't believe that so many people listen to this whacko. Millions of people listen every day? That's just crazy. I've heard his show numerous times and it's all the same crap about how the "left" this, and "liberal" that is ruining this country and people just swallow it up. It honestly gives me a sour stomach.

So if someone has a different opinion than you they are crazy and brainwashed?

So if someone has a different opinion than you they are a crazy and brainwashed?

This is an excellent point and one I'd like everyone to be careful of. Labeling and name calling is a slippery slope -- please maintain the wonderful community atmosphere we have here with polite regard.

Thank you!

Yes, I can see your point, but most of the advances in exploration have come about in the past 10-15 years. Drilling in many places has been a LARGE part of the exploration effort. Many times the drilling is done because there is a feeling that there is oil in the area, sometimes it is futile. However, when there are areas with KNOWN reserves, this would not be the case.
Also, there have been no new refineries built in the US in 30 years. Add that to the mix and you have shortages. Remember that the next time you hear of a refinery fire and gas shoots up 20cents a gallon for 6 weeks.

I compltely agree that we need to be weaning ourselves off of oil, but until that has been accomplished in the next 20-30 years, lets use our own instead of the Arabs. We buy it from them and a lot of the money ends up to be used against us.

Again laurieaw's point, it would be nice to now about your ride.

Now where to start on drilling? First on exploration, where did you intend to drill for this oil, in Alaska or the Outer Continental Shelf? Well if you do here's some numbers for you. The Energy Information Agency says there are about 20.5 Billion barrels of oil of proven reserves in the US. The United States consumes approximately 7.5 Bbbs of oil a year. Now if you were to survive on only domestic US production, assuming you can extract it at rates we currently are supplied at, these proven reserves would last us a little under 3 years. US oil production peaked in December of 1970. We produced around 9.5 Mbbs of oil per day in that last year. Today our production level is under 5 Mbbs of oil per day and it continues on its irreversible downward slide. That's peak oil. The rate of extraction in a well goes up a steep production curve where it peaks at the maximum rate it can produce oil and then goes into irreversible decline. M. King Hubbard predicted this peak in US production in the late 50's when he worked as a geologist for Shell Oil and it destroyed his career but, of course, he was right. He also predicted a peak in 1995 but when the two oil shocks of 1973 and 1979 where taken into account it was moved to the 2000 - 2010 time frame. I'm sorry but we're just not going to drill our way out of this one. See why in Matt Simon’s book, "Twilight in the Desert, The Coming Saudi Oil Shock and The World Economy" It's about the largest reservoir of oil in the world in Saudi Arabia and he makes compelling arguments as to why there isn't as much there as the Saudi's are saying.

Now on to refineries. Yes, it's true that no new refineries have been built in the last 30 years. Oil refineries just don't sprout like buildings. They are costly to build and when they are built the oil companies expect a profit out of them. Because of oil production declines in the US and the demand destruction caused by the oil shocks back in the 70's it was foolhardy to build new refineries. Likewise when oil and gasoline prices retreated back in the late 80's and 90's it was again not profitable to build refineries. My dad tried his hand after retirement trying to open a closed refinery in California but in the 90's gasoline was cheap and the investors backed out of it. Now a refinery in Beaumont owned by Valero is being expanded because for the first time in 30 years the oil companies see a profit in expanding an existing refinery and Beaumont is in something of an economic boom. Most of us in Houston tended to ignore Beaumont but not any more.

This turned out to be a fun thread.
Politics and Religion are 2 subjects sure to start fights.

I used to listen to Rush. Ever since his Oxy episode, I listen no more.

This is an excellent point and one I'd like everyone to be careful of. Labeling and name calling is a slippery slope -- please maintain the wonderful community atmosphere we have here with polite regard.

Thank you!

I concur. Rush can argue conserving gasoline doesn't work and therefore we need to drill our way out of this but denial is no longer just a river in Egypt.

Rush says stuff like this to tweak the noses of the liberal tree huggers.
I love when he talks about his 8 mpg Maybach and how much fuel his Gulf Stream burns an hour. When he does it you know there is a tree hugger somewhere screaming at his or her radio.

I want to thank all the members for taking this thread rationally and admit I was taking a chance given the source.

Amen. Talking politics is a healthy thing at CleanMPG as long as you type your messages as if you were speaking directly to the person in their own home.

No Thread Rage.

No Thread Rage.No tailgating other members on threads. :D

Again laurieaw's point, it would be nice to now about your ride.

Now where to start on drilling? First on exploration, where did you intend to drill for this oil, in Alaska or the Outer Continental Shelf? Well if you do here's some numbers for you. The Energy Information Agency says there are about 20.5 Billion barrels of oil of proven reserves in the US. The United States consumes approximately 7.5 Bbbs of oil a year. Now if you were to survive on only domestic US production, assuming you can extract it at rates we currently are supplied at, these proven reserves would last us a little under 3 years. US oil production peaked in December of 1970. We produced around 9.5 Mbbs of oil per day in that last year. Today our production level is under 5 Mbbs of oil per day and it continues on its irreversible downward slide. That's peak oil. The rate of extraction in a well goes up a steep production curve where it peaks at the maximum rate it can produce oil and then goes into irreversible decline. M. King Hubbard predicted this peak in US production in the late 50's when he worked as a geologist for Shell Oil and it destroyed his career but, of course, he was right. He also predicted a peak in 1995 but when the two oil shocks of 1973 and 1979 where taken into account it was moved to the 2000 - 2010 time frame. I'm sorry but we're just not going to drill our way out of this one. See why in Matt Simon’s book, "Twilight in the Desert, The Coming Saudi Oil Shock and The World Economy" It's about the largest reservoir of oil in the world in Saudi Arabia and he makes compelling arguments as to why there isn't as much there as the Saudi's are saying.

Now on to refineries. Yes, it's true that no new refineries have been built in the last 30 years. Oil refineries just don't sprout like buildings. They are costly to build and when they are built the oil companies expect a profit out of them. Because of oil production declines in the US and the demand destruction caused by the oil shocks back in the 70's it was foolhardy to build new refineries. Likewise when oil and gasoline prices retreated back in the late 80's and 90's it was again not profitable to build refineries. My dad tried his hand after retirement trying to open a closed refinery in California but in the 90's gasoline was cheap and the investors backed out of it. Now a refinery in Beaumont owned by Valero is being expanded because for the first time in 30 years the oil companies see a profit in expanding an existing refinery and Beaumont is in something of an economic boom. Most of us in Houston tended to ignore Beaumont but not any more.

Also, didn't Bush's own energy department put out a study saying that offshore drilling wouldn't significantly affect supply or price for years? (http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/otheranalysis/ongr.html)

Why is this man still in a position that means anything to the public??? He seems.to know very well what his own rearend looks like from a proctologist's point of view. I HOPE people dont really buy into his crap which is really just done for attention...


Well, then youre in trouble Mr., because Rush has between 30 and 40 million listeners every single day! So, either you truly believe that 40 million people are total idiots, or maybe you should look into the mirror. It's been my experience that most of the people that complain about Rush havent spent any time at all listening to him. Most people that DO listen to him agree with him.

Let's see, he's been around for twenty years. Every liberal talk show that has been tried in that time has either failed, or has been propped up by wealthy lefties who dont want to see them fail, then later they fail.

Im not pushing one agenda against yours. But you need to look at Rush with less prejudice than you currently are.

Welll, here we we go again. Another smoke and mirrors "expert" giving America "the" opinion, bought and paid for by the auto/oil cartel.

But the real horrifying part of this is that this type of logic works. Jumping around from tangent to tangent like a Gatling gun to "prove" points does convince millions of people. They simply do not digest and think about what he says and how it applies to reality, but just pick out "bites" that apply to what they want, or want to believe.

So, truthfulness is of no interest here. He simply throws out this stuff and those who are looking for an answer to prop up their point of view bite by the millions!

" There is no "transfer of wealth" going on here, and Boone Pickens should know that, too. We're not giving this money away! We are getting something for it. We're getting oil for it".

Sure, Rush, Right on, and we are burning up our "wealth" in FSP's, and they are buying Citi Corp!

Choice is what those with all the power offer those with no power to project an illusion of freedom, and we keep biting, don't we?

We keep biting by the millions. We are making a nightmare future for our descendants.

Why do we keep electing these IDIOTS to govern us?Because we live in a democracy... well... representive republic.:p

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I'm not name-calling or bashing anyone for disagreeing with me. That being said, MILLIONS of people tune in to this character everyday and take his word for gospel. Are they brainwashed? Absolutely. Were most Americans brainwashed as FOX news counted down days until George W was re-elected in '04 (and reported it as NEWS)???? Yes, they were. If the media presents fair and unbiased facts that the general population can digest and contemplate, and someone THEN disagrees with me, fine.

My argument is that this isn't the case, and big oil, FOX news, Rush, so on and so forth are a key problem.

I didn't mean to come off as attacking anyone, but I am shocked when I hear self-proclaimed conservatives complain about our current energy policy. My politics rant is over for now, in the meantime, I appreciate everyone here for great conversation and most especially, for saving fuel.

Keep on, keeping on

Good point, I digressed, sorry Chuck.

I just can't believe that so many people listen to this whacko. Millions of people listen every day? That's just crazy. I've heard his show numerous times and it's all the same crap about how the "left" this, and "liberal" that is ruining this country and people just swallow it up. It honestly gives me a sour stomach.

Maybe it's because his true identity is agent Russian Limbaumov, a former KGB/Manchurian Candidate/spy sent by the Chinese to goad Americans, with emotional appeals to irrationality, into consuming more foreign oil with money borrowed from Chinese lenders to in order to get the US indebted to them so they can use this leverage to buy up the country. :D

Makes you wonder what ever happened to "Ask not what your country can do for you; Ask what you can do for your country." At least some people are asking us to do for our country, while others bad mouth them for it.

I love Rush! He's a comedy genius!

I'm not name-calling or bashing anyone for disagreeing with me. That being said, MILLIONS of people tune in to this character everyday and take his word for gospel. Are they brainwashed? Absolutely. Were most Americans brainwashed as FOX news counted down days until George W was re-elected in '04 (and reported it as NEWS)???? Yes, they were. If the media presents fair and unbiased facts that the general population can digest and contemplate, and someone THEN disagrees with me, fine.

My argument is that this isn't the case, and big oil, FOX news, Rush, so on and so forth are a key problem.

I didn't mean to come off as attacking anyone, but I am shocked when I hear self-proclaimed conservatives complain about our current energy policy. My politics rant is over for now, in the meantime, I appreciate everyone here for great conversation and most especially, for saving fuel.

Keep on, keeping on


Brainwashed?? You mean like, they are Zombies that obey El Rushbo's (or FOX new's)every command??

I've got some news for you. Your DNC flag is showing. :)

If you really believe Rush listeners are brainwashed, then you must be not be aware that
it's a JOKE, a put-on! Part of Rushbo's comical radio act.


Before I retired (about 18 months ago) I used to listen to Rush at work during my lunch break.

A number of people that came into my lab at noon would instantly attack Rush
(and me for daring to listen) and go into a big rant about Rush being the devil or some such.
I would apologize, telling them 680 AM was the only station my radio could pick up indoors.

Then I would tell them I only listened to Rush for entertainment. Then comment on how
young Bill Clinton looks these days.. BUT, before they left,
I would always ask them "How do you know so much about the El Rushbo show"??
If there was no reply, "Do you listen to his show much"?? ;)

90% of them would say they had NEVER listened to Rush.. That's when I would ask,
"How can you have such a strong negative opinion of him, IF you have never heard his show"??
That's when they would run out of the room!! :Banane25:

Anyways, I think Rush is a funny guy (I like satire), but some of his tangents (football etc)
make his show too boring to listen to anymore. And now that he seems to have joined
forces with the AAA, I'm not too happy. I know he's just trying to get the treehuggers
angry, but I think FE is topic too important to be ridiculed. (I link FE with national security).

Any kids (with heads full of mush) listening to him rant about FE might not know it's all
a joke, done to entertain his audience. (Inform your kids). :)

@tdj

I hope you realize that the post above mine resonates the truth of rush. You can listen to him for entertainment. Take him seriously and your a lost sheep.

Brainwashed?? You mean like, they are Zombies that obey El Rushbo's (or FOX new's)every command??

I've got some news for you. Your DNC flag is showing. :)

If you really believe Rush listeners are brainwashed, then you must be not be aware that
it's a JOKE, a put-on! Part of Rushbo's comical radio act.


Before I retired (about 18 months ago) I used to listen to Rush at work during my lunch break.

A number of people that came into my lab at noon would instantly attack Rush
(and me for daring to listen) and go into a big rant about Rush being the devil or some such.
I would apologize, telling them 680 AM was the only station my radio could pick up indoors.

Then I would tell them I only listened to Rush for entertainment. Then comment on how
young Bill Clinton looks these days.. BUT, before they left,
I would always ask them "How do you know so much about the El Rushbo show"??
If there was no reply, "Do you listen to his show much"?? ;)

90% of them would say they had NEVER listened to Rush.. That's when I would ask,
"How can you have such a strong negative opinion of him, IF you have never heard his show"??
That's when they would run out of the room!! :Banane25:

Anyways, I think Rush is a funny guy (I like satire), but some of his tangents (football etc)
make his show too boring to listen to anymore. And now that he seems to have joined
forces with the AAA, I'm not too happy. I know he's just trying to get the treehuggers
angry, but I think FE is topic too important to be ridiculed. (I link FE with national security).

Any kids (with heads full of mush) listening to him rant about FE might not know it's all
a joke, done to entertain his audience. (Inform your kids). :)


So you think it's all a joke until he starts talking about something YOU care about?

I have heard plenty of Rush, parents used to listen to him all the time growing up. And I associate with no political party, the issues I care deeply about are PEOPLE issues, not PARTY issues. It's a shame that because I care strongly about the environment, am opposed to this war, and think our foreign policy over the last 60 years has been atrocious (especially concerning energy), that it means my "DNC flag is showing."

Most Americans are brainwashed. We feel that we're in Iraq for "humanitarian reasons." Wayne already mentioned Darfur, where hundreds of thousands die via a government sponsored genocide every year and we turn a blind eye? Why? OIL. And yet, how many people could even tell you where Darfur is?

You compare people bashing Rush without listening to him, yet how many Americans will swear up and down the flag that the U.S. is the best nation in the history of the world without ever leaving their own state?

Brainwashed?? You mean like, they are Zombies that obey El Rushbo's (or FOX new's)every command??



And you want to see brainwashing in action, look at the FSP's that have been sold over the last 20 years. Surely all those tv commercials weren't attempts at brainwashing? You can call it advertising if you like, it's all the same.

Well, then youre in trouble Mr., because Rush has between 30 and 40 million listeners every single day! So, either you truly believe that 40 million people are total idiots, or maybe you should look into the mirror. It's been my experience that most of the people that complain about Rush havent spent any time at all listening to him. Most people that DO listen to him agree with him.

Let's see, he's been around for twenty years. Every liberal talk show that has been tried in that time has either failed, or has been propped up by wealthy lefties who dont want to see them fail, then later they fail.

Im not pushing one agenda against yours. But you need to look at Rush with less prejudice than you currently are.

Longevity does not mean he is right.

Howard Stern has been on the air for longer than Rush....and makes more money, and (before he moved to satellite) had as many or more listeners. Howard would tell you straight up that he (Howard) is a moron that no one should listen to for advice.

I'll take my political advice from people I respect like my parents, friends, religious leaders etc. Not some drug addict, college-dropout, 5 time loser in marriage who flies to 3rd world countries with cases of viagra.

I'll give him this though...Rush is the modern PT Barnum.

By the way, I stopped listening to him in the early '90s. I still listen to Howard because I'm a perv.

The ONLY reason Limbaugh is successful is because the good ole USA has far too many numbskulls who never learned to think for themselves. Those are his fan base, and the numbers are (unfortunately) overwhelming.

Well, then youre in trouble Mr., because Rush has between 30 and 40 million listeners every single day! So, either you truly believe that 40 million people are total idiots, or maybe you should look into the mirror. It's been my experience that most of the people that complain about Rush havent spent any time at all listening to him. Most people that DO listen to him agree with him.

Let's see, he's been around for twenty years. Every liberal talk show that has been tried in that time has either failed, or has been propped up by wealthy lefties who dont want to see them fail, then later they fail.

Im not pushing one agenda against yours. But you need to look at Rush with less prejudice than you currently are.


30 to 40 million listeners per day? I don't think so!! I took just a couple of minutes to find some genuine numbers, and found that the actual figure is closer to around 13.5 million, DOWN 1 million from 3 years prior.

http://www.stateofthenewsmedia.org/2007/narrative_radio_talk_radio.asp?cat=8&media=9

I'm not name-calling or bashing anyone for disagreeing with me.

No thats exactly what you did. You said they were brainwashed and crazy...sounds like name calling to me.

That being said, MILLIONS of people tune in to this character everyday and take his word for gospel. Are they brainwashed? Absolutely.

Look you did it again :D

Were most Americans brainwashed as FOX news counted down days until George W was re-elected in '04 (and reported it as NEWS)???? Yes, they were. If the media presents fair and unbiased facts that the general population can digest and contemplate, and someone THEN disagrees with me, fine.

You are saying here that it must be really easy to brainwash people just because they watch Foxnews.....?? Maybe I should start working for them so i can learn the tricks of brainwashing...basically you don't like what foxnews says so anyone that watches it is an idiot...right?? I don't watch Foxnews very often so am i partially brainwashed? :D
Wait a minute whats foxnews and GWB got to do with this thread....have I been brainwashed somehow by this thread?? :eek:


My argument is that this isn't the case, and big oil, FOX news, Rush, so on and so forth are a key problem.

and out goes ones right to listen to whomever they want. Now they are a problem because you don't like what they say.

I appreciate everyone here for great conversation and most especially, for saving fuel. Keep on, keeping on

I most definitely echo that!

I love these threads although i try to stay out of them for the most part. If we all just set around with people that agreed with us all the time that would be really boring.

BTW Chuck your a brave man for putting this story up :)

Good luck!
Ryan

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/rush.jpgRushLimbaugh.com - Aug 19, 2008


Begin transcript

RUSH: Now, this is not an Obama original. He had a talk with Boone Pickens, and then he goes out and repeats what Boone Pickens is saying: "seven hundred billion dollar transfer of wealth to foreign nations." There is no "transfer of wealth" going on here, and Boone Pickens should know that, too. We're not giving this money away! We are getting something for it. We're getting oil for it. Forget for a moment from where. We're going to buy it from someplace if we're not going to have enough of our own. So whoever gets it, we are exchanging wealth. We're not transferring anything -- and this idiot doesn't even understand that! The principles of market economics are so foreign to this guy, because I'll guarantee, he's never been taught market economics.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_081908/content/01125111.guest.html[/rm]

So in Rush's view a wildcatter who built his company on knowing where to drill an oil well and becomes a mult-millionaire doesn't know market economics. Sounds like what psychologists call projection. Could it be the Rush doesn't understand economics period.

We are in a trade deficit and not a trade surplus. More money flows out of the country then comes in. The amount is not small it is large. It is also not sustainable in the long term. Countries that hemorrhage money out the door in the hundreds of billions would have been called, in more honest times, failed states.

Longevity does not mean he is right.

Howard Stern has been on the air for longer than Rush....and makes more money, and (before he moved to satellite) had as many or more listeners. Howard would tell you straight up that he (Howard) is a moron that no one should listen to for advice.

I'll take my political advice from people I respect like my parents, friends, religious leaders etc. Not some drug addict, college-dropout, 5 time loser in marriage who flies to 3rd world countries with cases of viagra.

I'll give him this though...Rush is the modern PT Barnum.

By the way, I stopped listening to him in the early '90s. I still listen to Howard because I'm a perv.


You listen to howy because youre a perv. Well, no reason to continue with this then is there.:woot:

Well, then youre in trouble Mr., because Rush has between 30 and 40 million listeners every single day! So, either you truly believe that 40 million people are total idiots...

Yep, got it in one there :-)

Let's see, he's been around for twenty years. Every liberal talk show that has been tried in that time has either failed...

Humm... Could it be that liberals have better things to do than listen to someone talk on the radio? Or is it that deep down, liberals know a lot of their positions are so ridiculous that they can't stand to hear them expoused? While conservatives, of course, are unable to see the ridiculousness of theirs?

I, of course, am neither liberal nor conservative, and so wish a plague on both their houses :-)

So you think it's all a joke until he starts talking about something YOU care about?

I have heard plenty of Rush, parents used to listen to him all the time growing up. And I associate with no political party, the issues I care deeply about are PEOPLE issues, not PARTY issues. It's a shame that because I care strongly about the environment, am opposed to this war, and think our foreign policy over the last 60 years has been atrocious (especially concerning energy), that it means my "DNC flag is showing."

Most Americans are brainwashed. We feel that we're in Iraq for "humanitarian reasons." Wayne already mentioned Darfur, where hundreds of thousands die via a government sponsored genocide every year and we turn a blind eye? Why? OIL. And yet, how many people could even tell you where Darfur is?

You compare people bashing Rush without listening to him, yet how many Americans will swear up and down the flag that the U.S. is the best nation in the history of the world without ever leaving their own state?

It's not just me that cares about national security.. There are plenty of other folks around
these days that think it's not a matter to be taken lightly.

I think your wrong about most Americans being brainwashed. Unless you have a different
definition of the word. People make choices based on what they think. What they think
really depends on how smart they are. How many are gullible and believe everything they
see on TV or read in the newspapers? 5% maybe??

Genocide in Darfur is horrible. But, in that part of the world, genocide isn't that uncommon.
Millions of children dying of starvation in Africa is horrible. We give what we can to help,
but since survival (our will to live) is the strongest human trait, you are going to see very
few people take a big portion of food from their own table to help others..

Don't think that people being loyal to their flag is something only seen in America.
Get out and travel some. There are billions of people who think their country is
the greatest place on earth to live.. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Name calling, how did people who listen to Rush and other political satirists, get such thin skin. I thought it was the liberals that were supposed to be weak, not Rush's listeners. Left wing this, right wing that, its all a hysteria induced grade school name calling whine fest. The spin on most of these shows makes me dizzy. 90% of it is party line dribble meant to scare people into boxes that their life long party can count on for the next election.

While some people listen to these shows as a form of satire, many more people listen to it and believe 100%. The 700 club for example, still has many viewers. I find it hard to believe that the listeners could have opposing view points and listen to these shows. The posts in this thread are good proof of that. People getting upset after being called a name just once. Hours of it a day would be intense for most people. On many of these shows opposing view points are attacked with name calling, when intellectual abilities and logic has failed the host. Some hosts it takes longer than others to digress to that point, but they all get there eventually with their own special catch phrase name.

Although some may think it is funny, make no mistake, there are no disclaimers, because almost none of these guys will claim it is satirical. It is all serious business. While they may say things as a joke, it is only the circumstances and the chastising of opposing views that are humorous. The overall viewpoint behind the humor is most often times misimformed, dead serious, and for some of these guys down right scary.

Rush is great if you enjoy the fascist view point. What I find most funny about his show, is that he loves calling everyone else a facsist. Sort of like projecting him self onto everyone. He obviously has little to no idea what a fascist actually is, or what to call the liberal view point. Or maybe he just wants to label everyone with scary words that bring back images of hilter, and stalin (communists) to the heartland. Reguardless of what those ideals are actually about. Brilliant, or ignorant, I guess it depends on if you believe the former or the latter. Brilliant, and dangerous, I guess would go along great with his self proclaimed title, but doesn't say much for the millions who tune in every day, and share in his lies with unwaivering faith.

Honestly if being called a name would hurt your feelings, you probably shouldn't speak up in a thread like this, because there are many who have been wounded by Rush's verbal bullets, who are looking for revenge on his followers. I can't say I blame them, but I can't say I support them either.

Name calling, how did people who listen to Rush and other political satirists, get such thin skin. <SNIP>

I wasn't aware that what Limbaugh did was satire. Mark Twain engaged in satire in his books. I know that Will Rodgers was a satirist. Tim Lehrer, of Poisoning Pigeons in the Park and Who's Next, a song about nuclear weapons proliferation, was a satirist. Folk musician Arlo Guthrie is a satirist. Jim Hightower is a satirist. Stacked up against those actual giants what is Rush Limbaugh but a stuffed cigar with a mic?

Rush says stuff like this to tweak the noses of the liberal tree huggers.
I love when he talks about his 8 mpg Maybach and how much fuel his Gulf Stream burns an hour. When he does it you know there is a tree hugger somewhere screaming at his or her radio.


Nope. Liberals, enviormentalist and other sane people do not listen to Rush. They just ignore him, and switch stations when he comes on.

Rush does this to entertain HIS listeners only. The problem with it, is his listeners think Rush matters to liberals, enviormentalists and other sane people. He does not, and never will.

So any Rush listener gets in a debate with a liberal, enviormentalist or other sane person should remember that if you try to use some of Rush's reasoning, you will be rudely awakened to the real world. And that is a world in which Rush does not matter, or make sense.

@Radio_tec

Even bad music is still considered music.

This is an excellent point and one I'd like everyone to be careful of. Labeling and name calling is a slippery slope -- please maintain the wonderful community atmosphere we have here with polite regard.

Thank you!

Dude don't give me that BS. We are talking about Rush, who is a complete douchebag. He says infuriating things about subject matters many people have more knowledge in and talks in the same language as those who don't know much of anything regarding the same subject matter. This is why he is a popular man. Regardless of him being popular, it doesn't mean he's right, he just has the right mindset to attract the most viewers on his show.

Elijah, I was referring to passing judgment on those who listen (and may actually be part of our community). If you read the quote I included above the section you selected you will see this.

BS not included as I have said nothing at all about my thoughts concerning Rush. ;)

As much as I hate to say it, I think Rush is voicing the opinions of a LOT of people. It seems like everyone I talk to fully believes that we CAN drill our way of the high gas prices...environment be dammed.

I don't.

This is why I traded in my 18mpg SUV for a 4-door Yaris.
My average with this car is 44mpg.

Take that Big-Oil. :flag:

He's always trying to entertain by teasing select groups (like NOW) , but sometimes
he actually gets something done. (I heard Operation Chaos was pretty successful). :)

Anyways, I think he's going to come down from his SUV High horse one of these days
and start thinking about the good that higher FE cars can do for America.

He's already taken a test ride! (Check out the clubs in the back. He actually thinks that's a golf kart)..
http://download.premiereradio.net/guest/rushlimb/daily/RushInStupidSmartCar.jpg

Search Limbaugh website for 'Prius'. See if you can come up with a conclusion other than 'out of touch with reality'.

DAS

You are saying here that it must be really easy to brainwash people just because they watch Foxnews.....?? Maybe I should start working for them so i can learn the tricks of brainwashing...basically you don't like what foxnews says so anyone that watches it is an idiot...right?? I don't watch Foxnews very often so am i partially brainwashed? :D
Wait a minute whats foxnews and GWB got to do with this thread....have I been brainwashed somehow by this thread?? :eek:



I think that we disagree that many (not all) of Rush's listeners take what he says very seriously. Brainwashing is the inability to think for yourself, a lot of people are too lazy to do that.

The "problem" as I put it, with Fox NEWS is that they claim it's NEWS. Meaning the information from the North East West and South. N.E.W.S. In practice, tactics utilized by the Fox NEWS network make no attempt at providing unbiased journalism and that is my issue. Most "brainwashed" Americans who watch it, don't realize they are receiving such slanted coverage.

FYI, I spent roughly 5 months in the last 5 years traveling. Canada, Mexico, Australia, China, and I'll be in Europe this winter.

Subjectively tainted journalism is not limited to a single network. All networks slant the news one way or another relative to their personal biases, and that of their viewers. The viewers typically align themselves with someone who shares some of their personal biases. The problem comes in when people view TV personalities as experts, which much of America is guilty of.

I've got many people I work with who treat old media like it is the gospel. Unless the story is recanted, which almost never happens, or god comes down and tells them that it is incorrect, there is nothing that you can do to change their mind. From trivial things, to important things.

These are the sheep. Now if you're open to opposing view points, and can recognize valid arguments, you're obviously not a sheep. I find most people just get upset by valid arguments and opposing view points.

How many people like this do you run into on a daily basis, when you bring up hypermiling.

Subjectively tainted journalism is not limited to a single network. All networks slant the news one way or another relative to their personal biases, and that of their viewers. The viewers typically align themselves with someone who shares some of their personal biases. The problem comes in when people view TV personalities as experts, which much of America is guilty of.

I've got many people I work with who treat old media like it is the gospel. Unless the story is recanted, which almost never happens, or god comes down and tells them that it is incorrect, there is nothing that you can do to change their mind. From trivial things, to important things.

These are the sheep. Now if you're open to opposing view points, and can recognize valid arguments, you're obviously not a sheep. I find most people just get upset by valid arguments and opposing view points.

How many people like this do you run into on a daily basis, when you bring up hypermiling.


"treat old media like it is the gospel".. You will never guess what happened in the UK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyUvNnmFtgI

for decades after this 'Joke news' was broadcast on the BBC.
It's one of the funnier events in UK history (at least to me).. ;)


When I see a story on the news that seems a little odd or outrageous,
I always take it with a gain of salt. Saying, "I wonder if that's really true".
It turns out, many times my first instinct was right. The story was BS.
I'm pretty sure that there are 100-200 million people in the USA that also have
that same bit of common sense.

A lot of us look at mainstream media news shows as 'Maybe this is true.?.' information.
Maybe most of us.. If you judge by the falling viewership of national TV news.

Between the oil in the gulf of mexico (15 billion barrels plus), Alaska (20-40 billion barrels),
Montanna and the rockies (150+ billion barrels) we could become indepentdent from them.

and no Ms Pelosi, it would not take 10 years to see an improvement.
If we started dfrillign in ANWAR today, we would see the oil in less that 12 months, 18-24 in the Gulf.


Assuming all your numbers are accurate (which I'm not), then what? What do we do after we've become independent for a period, then use up all sources of domestic oil?

@paratwa
What are we doing now?

Using up all the foreign oil first :-)

Does it make things worse to use up some local oil instead of foreign oil?

Rush defender here! I cannot defend waste but feel he is
playing this as a comparison to the so called protectors and
leaders on energy.
Without Rush we would only here nonsense like the
T Bone ads on natural gas and wind, Gores carbon credits,
Obama's script on 'green jobs' with huge taxpayer funding.
Rush attacks the hypocrites who have private 757's, mansions
and limo's but lack any sensible ideas for US energy policy.
T Bone has been a merger man, combine companies, cut jobs,
then sell. a successful predator.
Congress is totally dysfunctional, now under the democrats as
demostrated by not allowing an election year vote on drilling.
Most in congress want high gas prices to save the planet from
evil American energy users. Rush is calling the political faces on this.
I never heard Rush attack hypermiling he just does not do it
and challenges easy answers the public wants to hear.
We are going to be using oil for many decades that is why
I joined this forum.
Turn Rush off if he bothers you, I did not listen to him for years
and recently started again. I listen to NPR also so do not block me
from the boards.
Cork in MS

There is idioacy on both sides of the political spectrum.

Sadly, there are still a considerable amount of people out there that think if we only allow indiscrimate drilling and eliminate regulation, pump prices will go down to $2.00 a gallon or less...Rush feeds in to that mentality.

Our energy policy need to be taken seriously - not fodder in an election year.

Cork, Rush IS one of those "hypocrites." lol. He puts on a great show for his audience, then some actually buy into it. Do you really believe that's how he feels? Take it for what it is, this guy's in it for the money like everyone else.

@paratwa
What are we doing now?

We're at a crossroads. We have the choice to do more of what we've been doing (drill and consume) or choose a different path (which is up for debate).

The idea is, what sense does it make to continue doing what we've been doing when we see an end in site?

We're at a crossroads. We have the choice to do more of what we've been doing (drill and consume) or choose a different path (which is up for debate).

The idea is, what sense does it make to continue doing what we've been doing when we see an end in site?


We were at the crossroads years ago, (during the 70s. Gas lines galore) and some people actually started planning ahead.
People started driving Japanese 4 bangers, installing solar hotwater systems, multi-fuel home heating systems (that's what I did anyways).

But, then we forgot all about the 70s gas lines when oil got cheaper and stayed cheap for years.


I think if there is a chance to pump domestic oil, we should do it now.
If we don't prepare for the worse, it might happen.

Just picture fuel and home heating oil jumping up to $10 or $15 a gallon next winter..
Or, even this winter . Do you know what that would do to the world's economies?
The prices of everything would soar.. The only thing that would cost less is human labor.

We need a smooth transition to a more FE Amercia. We can't do it over night.
(Unless we don't mind the loss of a few million lives).

@paratwa

Its very easy to say we shouldn't do 1 thing, but what you haven't said is what we should do instead.

Given the fact that economy has been having problems due to gas prices. Terrorists are getting funding to attack us. Saudis are spreading militant propaganda through their version of the Koran paid for by oil money. China's economy continues to grow and consumers more oil every day.

What do you propose we do that could help all of those situations in a few years.

If things are bad NOW without drilling, what do we do when drilling is no longer an option (after we've drilled and consumed what little we have left)?

xringer, you spoke of the horrors of $10 and $15 heating oil. I agree those impacts on the US will be huge and detrimental. How high will it be when we have zero domestic reserves left?

koreberg, you spoke of the current money we're spending on foriegn oil financing political unrest and religioius extremism in the mid east (for which we then suffer terrorism). I agree with you too, but we'll only be able to replace about 10% of our foriegn consumption with our domestic supplies. That still means that 90% of the money we spend on oil is causing these problems. Drilling locally doesn't fix this problem.

You're right, I haven't offered a solution, because I don't know which is the right one, or if the right one exists yet. What shouldn't be in question is the wrong choice. We know what isn't working, why is doing more of it the answer? We need a real solution, and instead of focusing on that, we're talking doing more of what we have done in the past, that has a very visable finite future. I'm part of the problem, but I desparately want to be part of the solution.