Archives




View Full Version : Hybrid car: Not best bet?


xcel
07-15-2006, 10:15 AM
Economics don't add up, experts say. (http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060715/BIZ/607150341)

Eric Ruth - Gannett News - July 15, 2006

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/2006_Civic_Sedan.jpg
2006 Honda Civic EX better bet?

These days, plenty of people are probably having the same thought as they watch pump prices rise, gas gauges fall and their money vanish out the tailpipe:

Maybe it's time to buy a hybrid.

But experts say while today's hybrids are vastly improved over early models, and remain a great choice for environmental reasons, they still don't boast enough of an economic advantage to stand up as a wise investment.

Once drivers factor in the higher initial purchase price and steep depreciation, their new gas-sipper may actually cost them more to operate over the life of the vehicle than a traditionally powered car.

"There is absolutely no reason to buy a hybrid for economic reasons," said Terry Jackson, automotive writer for the consumer site Bankrate.com.

But hybrid owners can boast a clear advantage over the owners of traditional cars in a couple of ways - their warranties and their environmental impact. For each gallon they save, hybrids prevent 18 pounds of carbon dioxide emissions, Consumer Reports says.

Many of today's hybrids offer better mileage. In some cases, it's a 20-mile-per-gallon difference.

But mileage alone isn't enough to outweigh hybrids' disadvantages for most drivers, said Philip Reed, consumer advice editor for Edmunds.com, a consumer finance-oriented Web site.

People who switch from a car that is already relatively fuel-efficient would have to own a hybrid for more than 100,000 miles to see savings.

"You can't assume that a hybrid is synonymous with good fuel economy," said Reed.

Ultimately, savings-minded drivers are better off buying a diesel, or a traditionally powered car, the experts agreed.

Take Motor Trend's 2006 Car of the Year, for example - the Honda Civic sedan.

A traditional Civic is estimated to get 30 miles per gallon in the city, 40 mpg on the highway. At $3 a gallon and 15,000 miles a year, it would cost $1,286 for fuel, assuming the driver averaged 35 mpg. The hybrid model of that Civic getting 49/51 mpg would use only $900 in gas.

Those are impressive numbers, but potential hybrid owners need to take their calculations out further, experts say, and consider the less noticeable costs of ownership.

The first is the initial purchase cost. While traditional models often can be found at a discount, hybrids are typically priced at a premium over traditional models - a Honda Civic hybrid, for example, costs almost $4,000 more than a Honda Civic EX with a manual transmission, Consumer Reports notes. The higher price will in most cases mean higher financing costs than buying a traditional car.

Hybrid buyers are being offered a much more attractive tax break this year, but caution is warranted. Last year, hybrid buyers qualified for up to $2,000 in deductions, which let them reduce only their taxable income. Starting in 2006, they are being offered up to $3,400 in tax credits, which allows them to cut their burden far more by reducing overall taxes.

tbaleno
07-15-2006, 10:18 AM
steep depreciation??!?? where did they get that from?

xcel
07-15-2006, 10:25 AM
Hi All:

___Had to throw this one out there as here we are again … Steep depreciation. Wrong

Absolutely no reason to buy a hybrid for economic reasons. Wrong

People who switch from a car that is already relatively fuel-efficient would have to own a hybrid for more than 100,000 miles to see savings. What, a Yaris or a Fit? - Wrong
You can't assume that a hybrid is synonymous with good fuel economy. Are they going back to the AH vs. I4 again or everything else? Wrong

Ultimately, savings-minded drivers are better off buying a diesel, or a traditionally powered car. Wrong - The average driver in particular needs a hybrid more then anything else!

Civic hybrid, for example, costs almost $4,000 more than a Honda Civic EX with a manual transmission. Now it’s an EX w/ a stick they are comparing to? Why not compare a hybrid to a $10,000 Chevrolet Aveo?
___Do these writers have a clue or are they clueless? Any owner of a 2004/2005 Prius II or HCH-I can tell you there TCO’s are lower then anything else they could have possibly considered due to little to no depreciation and gas savings that is even more important today then just 3 years ago!

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Chuck
07-15-2006, 10:31 AM
I've read so many of these hybrid-skeptic artices.

Why does it seem intentionally or unintentionally, journalists are practicing Joseph Gobbels "Big Lie"? :(

tigerhonaker
07-15-2006, 10:59 AM
I just read the Article and I think what comes to mind as Wayne Pointed out in one of his remarks. Why does anyone that is "Honestly" doing a comparison's between vehicles, pick 1-with a manual and the other has the CVT? What happened to the Civic that is called the EX with the 5-Sp. Auto. in it? When anyone reads this type of Article I think they just dismiss it as so many "Biased-Words" comments to Sway the reader to the Authors way of thinking.

I could go on but what is the point, the article is just to Silly for me to Waste more Text-On (IMO).

Terry

Hot Georgia
07-15-2006, 09:53 PM
I'm really not suprised. I found a "You don't save money in a hybrid car" 3 page thread over at perspectives. Every single post was like the article above.

Of course I had to post some of my own calculations, but to also point out that you don't have to drive hybrid to save money.

Also provided a link to CMPG for more information....of course!

That article forgot to mention that old myth that emergency personell can't use jaws of life because HV cables run through the doors and roof (Sigh)
-Steve

laurieaw
07-16-2006, 01:00 AM
what a can of crap. just more justification to waste gas.

Chuck
11-13-2008, 01:50 PM
Maybe we should send a note to the writer asking if their retirement was in GM, Ford, and Chrysler stock.

Taliesin
11-14-2008, 08:47 AM
I can see some justification for saying that buying a hybrid may not make sense, but only if you are not in the market for a vehicle to begin with.

I can afford my situation as it is, but buying a new (to me) vehicle is out of the question. I save money by not buyng any new vehicle right now.

However, if I was in the market for a new vehicle (and now it could be a very small, fe one), a hybrid will save me money over a non-hybrid.



Copyright 2006 Clean MPG, LLC. All Rights Reserved.