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One of the bill's critics include a legistator with "truck nutz". (http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN4O32105020080425)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/truck_nutz-2.jpgMichael Peltier - Reuters - April 25, 2008

Sad we live in times that peer pressure and thoughs of the kids would have made such ornaments DOA...granted, this is not remotely one of the major issues of our times, but is this vulgarity necessary? -- Ed.

Tallahassee, Florida - Senate lawmakers in Florida have voted to ban the fake bull testicles that dangle from the trailer hitches of many trucks and cars throughout the state.

Republican Sen. Cary Baker, a gun shop owner from Eustis, Florida, called the adornments offensive and proposed the ban. Motorists would be fined $60 for displaying the novelty items, which are known by brand names like "Truck Nutz" and resemble the south end of a bull moving north… http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN4O32105020080425

Although I don't see a need to ban these, they look really ridiculous when you see them hanging on a truck. Pretty immature, if you ask me, but each to their own, is free to express how they will.

There's a couple trucks at my work that have them, and I shake my head every time I walk past one.

I have yet to see these in person, but have heard a lot about them...they raise a number of issues.

First of all - do the kids need to see this because free speech supersedes their right (if the parents decide to) of sheltering them from such stuff?

Secondly, isn't this kind of statement "I'm manly" that's gone over the top and maybe mental as well?

I did a Google search for images with such ornaments and while they could be attached to cars and motorcycles, the majority of them are on pickups...this confirms my hypothesis that the polar opposite of the hypermiler is the young guy with a truck, often offroaded equiped getting less than 10mpg, driven aggressively. (Note: most truck drivers are more sensible than this). Among other things, this expression of manhood justifies them consuming three to six times the gas they actually need. Indictive of insecurity of the types that would have such ornaments hanging off their rear bumper is a couple dozen of these types trolled us a couple of months ago.

Not so many decades ago, this would have never happened - wish the public sentiment in the past would return.

I have seen these around and I agree with fluxuated. to each their own...

"Lewd and lascivious" behavior with simulated body parts is still lewd and lascivious.

Where do you draw the line?

Ban it.

Harry

I think this all started when Obama complained he saw Hillary walking off the stage in the last debate with a pair of those hanging from the back of her pantsuit. Obama also complained that Hillary may have violated campaign agreements in Florida when she drove Bill's special MMH across the State with a set of them hanging from the bumper. The bumper sticker said "I Might Be A Women, But I've Got a Big Set Of These". Mc Cain was said to have lost his temper and told Gov. Crist he wanted the law changed before the general election heats up.

It's sad that the Florida Legislators have nothing better to do but try to pass a law to have our vehicles neutered! My Little Mule is not going to like this! We're still mad about the Florida Legislation passing a mandate for E-10 ethanol this summer!

GaryG

LOL Next thing you know the Fla legislature will make farmers put skirts on their livestock to cover up the naughty bits.

Keep 'em legal. It lets me identify idiots without the trouble of interacting with them.

My wife and I took my mother-in-law to the new IKEA store. In the parking lot a few spots down from us was a truck with a set dangling from the trailer hitch. It was one of those large monsters. Lifted, big knobby tires and a flashy paint job.I don't know what came over her, but as we walked past, she walked over and gave them a good swift kick. Amazingly the left rear tire went flat. Then she kicked again and again and again. All four tires went flat with a bang. Finally, the truck sat their with all four tires flat on the ground. My mother-in-law looked over to me and said, "a good swift kick will deflate a man's ego everytime." I knew their was a good reason why I have always been nice to her.

My wife and I took my mother-in-law to the new IKEA store. In the parking lot a few spots down from us was a truck with a set dangling from the trailer hitch. It was one of those large monsters. Lifted, big knobby tires and a flashy paint job.I don't know what came over her, but as we walked past, she walked over and gave them a good swift kick. Amazingly the left rear tire went flat. Then she kicked again and again and again. All four tires went flat with a bang. Finally, the truck sat their with all four tires flat on the ground. My mother-in-law looked over to me and said, "a good swift kick will deflate a man's ego everytime." I knew their was a good reason why I have always been nice to her.That was great, Jud!

Ridiculous.

The government has no right to tell me I can't hang balls off my car (Not that I do...)

Funny I would have guess a democrat would have brought this issue up. Sigh* The republicans need to get off the jet the christian right hijacked before its to late!

It lets me identify idiots without the trouble of interacting with them

Exactly. Along with little Calvin tinkling on whatever; sit down-shut up-hang on; my kid can beat up your honor roll student; etc. Great warning devices these are, just like triangles on slow moving vehicles.

Keith

I really have never seen the attraction to them. Awhile back my wife asked me if I was going to get a set for my truck when I picked it up. We were walking out of a family sports bar(Beef O'Brady's) and saw a neon metallic purple set hanging off a Honda ridgeline.

My response was simply:" I'll be driving a 4x4 Dodge Ram MegaCab, Everyone will know it has them, I don't need to show'em." Then she just rolled her eye and made some uninterpretable remark.

Years ago, the state outlawed obscene bumper stickers. Things like Sh!* Happens, How's my Driving dial 1-800-Eat-Sh!*, etc. There was a big outcry about freedom of speech and 1st Amendment violations but it still stuck. From what I've heard from some of the Legislative reports, it was originally thought of as a joke on the floor but amazingly went through. One of the legislators I heard being interviewed on the radio about it mentioned that he actually had a set on the back of his truck.

I think it's just one more reason why we should make certain term limits are in place to keep these people on as short a leash as possible and only allow them so much time to make good or bad decisions with our tax dollars.

It's another way to identify who's a jerk waiting to happen. Just like a fart can signals to the world that he's a ricer, the truck nutz indicate he's compensating for something small by going really, really big.

Don't ban it. Or if they do, also ban riced out cars. Those are more annoying.

Ridiculous.

The government has no right to tell me I can't hang balls off my car (Not that I do...)

Funny I would have guess a democrat would have brought this issue up. Sigh* The republicans need to get off the jet the christian right hijacked before its to late!

Exactly. Lots of these in rural tennessee :) thats why i love it here.

If Janet Jackson can't show a fake breast on television then drivers can't show fake testicles on the roadways.

Tried a set of these on my HCH2 to see if they might help with accelleration. Instead they screwed up my FE dragging (and sparking) along the road.

I guess Ill try the fake boat propeller next...

:)

I'll go back to a previous assertion I wish it was like a few decades ago, when the backlash of doing such a thing would prevent anyone from doing it.

As far as identfying idiots, I hope the next release of vBulletin automatically identifies troublesome newbies - either a spam icon or wacked-out one for trollers. :p

Where do we draw the line on tasteless self-expression? How about going commando? Going topless or even nude? Many of the same arguements can be made that have been made for the truck nutz oranments.

Saturday night, the boys had fights...now it's escalated to knive and gun fights. :( I might suggest that after awhile this will be lame and someone will find something more offensive than truck nuts.


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Gotta mention this: notice the yellow x on the picture...guess what would happen if the picture was untouched? (If you don't know - refer to the recent JOTD controversey) I'd get complaints from a variety of people. ;)

I learned something in this thread - did not know Hillary had one on her Mercury Marnier Hybrid. Margaret Thatcher once remarked that there is a fine line on women (and somewhat unfair) - can't be too soft - can't be too strident ( the B-word? ;) ) . The tendancy I've seen in many female politicians is to occasionally try to be tougher than the guys, which repulses mw...bad move if Hillary did that, but I'm not being partisan - down in Austin five years ago, Carole Strayhorn's attempt to out-budget hawk the Texas neo-cons has shaken me from the ranks of people that automatically vote GOP as I did for 30 years.

Another quote: In Victorian times, they pretended sex did not exist - nowadays, people think nothing else exists.

If collectively American are so obsessed about being ballsy enough, then we are so mental we are doomed.

Another quote: In Victorian times, they pretended sex did not exist - nowadays, people think nothing else exists.

Very astute, Chuck. I will be using it.

I learned something in this thread - did not know Hillary had one on her Mercury Marnier Hybrid.

Just kidding around there Chuck, made a joke about how Hillary is showing she can be tough when she has too. If Hillary did drive around a MMH with a set hanging from the back, I'm sure they would be Bill's to eliminated the possibility of any DNA left on dresses in the future. Hillary's bumper sticker would probably read "Recognize These Monica"?

Myself, I just get a laugh when I see them on different vehicles. I can always use a good laugh to make it though the day, week and years in life. I got a good laugh about how stupid the FL legislators are for even bring up the subject matter. Maybe their trying to get our attention off their corruption techniques.

GaryG

Your tax dollars at work.

It is a fad, there shouldn't be legislation against fads unless it is detrimental to public safety. I get a chuckle when I see them on those monstors. We're adults here right?... Not only do they have trucks sized indirectly proportionate to the size of their penis (peni?), they need to put the cherry on top and add some testicles.

The easier and cheaper way (cost of putting this up for legislation), is to make those who have them look stupid IE, use some embarasment, throw it into an SNL skit or something.

It bugs me that the news is reporting that law makers are taking all sorts of recesses (spring, summer, winter, you name it) and when they do work, what do they put on the table? They put a set of balls on the table.. Balls people! Balls! Your local congressman/senator/state legislator is talking about truck balls, evidently, has balls in his mind, and it's coming out his mouth.

Like in the days of yore and the hanging chads of Election 2000, I am again proud to be a Floridian. :rolleyes: I've seen these hanging from trailer hitches around town and wish I hadn't. However, do I really think my state legislators should be spending my tax dollars discussing this? NO! Ban them? No. I think the parents, wives, girl friends, and daughters should follow the example of Senator Jim King's wife and tell the men in their lives to clean up their act.

They ought not have to be banned since they should already be illegal (along the same lines as being illegal to display pornography on billboards), but if that's what it takes to keep my future kids from having to consciously ignore them, then so be it.

Whats the need for a ban? I say let them look like an idiot.

What really astonishes me is how much we have changed in such a short amount of time. Like was said in a previous post on Saturday nights the boys would get into a fight, now it's knives and guns.

I'm 37. I was born in 1970. I grew up kinda wishing I had been born in the 50's becuase of how it was pianted as being mom and pop, picket fenced. Now I see the 70's that way compared to today. Now it scares me to think of what my 4 year old son is going to have to deal with on a regular basis as he grows up. Between the Priests, hot sexy teachers, and people who seem to think it's a violation of some civil liberty to NOT allow them to do as they please. And, that it's their right to do it on our dime, I get the feeling that civilization is circling the drain at an ever increasing rate.

I spent 12 years in the military and I got a first hand all expenses paid trip around the world. I didn't get to do the tourist trips like you see in the ads, my trips were to Iraq(the first time), Panama before that, Bosnia, Somalia, Haiti. I got out at the end of 99 and was actually one of those people who was rooting for the Y2K to happen. The world in general is going down the tubes and we are all to busy either thinking of ourselves ro too busy dealing in other peoples lives to notice we are doing nothing but destroying it.

Sorry, this is kinda turing into a rant. It wasn't my intention I assure you. I'll stop now. It just bothers me sometimes how people can be so petty about such minor issues and blow off major issues as if it was nothing. Our priorities have drastically changed over the few short years I've been on this planet and it frightens me to think of where we will end up when and if we ever come tour senses.

Oh, and the GUN SHOP OWNER who started this nonsense is somehow
better than the truck nutz enthusiasts? The guy who starts talking
to customers about the effects of hollow-points and "stopping
power" and reload time is somehow more virtuous than a few people
making what's nothing more than a somewhat amusing sex joke?
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We ARE doomed, and it'll be entirely the fault of these
institutionally-superstitious knuckledraggers. Wait, that's
us as a race, isn't it.
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_H*

I've there is a nearby habitable planet, I'd serously consider going there.

I'm very much against a ban on this sort of thing. It only makes them look bad, and I think we have a right to do what we want. That goes especially for bumperstickers with cuss words. I believe freedom is what makes this country great and we should never restrict it, unless it really causes harm to someone. Does seeing some testicles on a car cause you harm? no, then don't take away that freedom. Can you think that that person is a dick, call them a dick, kick them off your golf club, tell everyone you know that that person is a dick, leave them nasty messages? Hell Yes!

A few people have said this wouldn't have happened earlier, and that's due to societal pressures. If you see a car like that leave them a nasty note. No one bothers to correct the actions of other people and that's where the problem is at.

Top notes to leave (some of these are pretty bad, sorry if they're too bad, edit if necessary):

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Allow me to shift for a moment to violence. Most school violence like Columbine and Virginia Tech had definite warning signs from the killers...in fact the parents of the two responsible at Columbine had a lawsuit for not acting harder/quicker.

The way we express ourselve can be a red flag like the case of violence. In most cases, nothing happens, but you never know.

Moving closer to the original topic, someone that views a lot of porn is more likely to be involved with something like pedophilia.

I'm sure nobody has researched it, but I'm willing to wager that drivers with truck nutz have a below par driving record (more speeding tickets, etc).

While we are all free to do as we please, Associate Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes once said: "Your rights end where mine begins".

Of course, there is lot of opinions as to where that line is...

Having grown up on a farm as a young kid, I saw plenty of these in their natural state and the process that involves their proper usage. I was able to handle their image (and associated actions) without having the rest of my mental growth stunted. Maybe if people would remind themselves of the natural state of animals once in a while things like this wouldn't be so shocking. (Not that I'm advocating letting cars hump in the parking lot).

What I'd rather see is spandex outlawed. I've seen people in spandex that cause far more mental distress than these things ever will.

As Bob Barker always said... Don't forget to spay and neuter your pets (and vehicles).

I'm with you, MyPart. The first time I saw these I had to do a double-take. It was truly one of these "out of body" kind of moments where you can't really believe what you've just seen. "Cars humping in the parking lot" would top the list! Also, ILAveo's story made me laugh so hard I had to put down my coffee. The owners of these things, and the FL legislators who have nothing better to do, should be laughed out of town.

While we are all free to do as we please, Associate Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes once said: "Your rights end where mine begins".

As I'm fond of saying, the right to do something does not remove the responsibility for acting on that right, and does not remove the responsibility for accepting the consequences. (I should really make that more concise).

- We have the right to free speech, but yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater is illegal because it puts others in danger. Libel and slander are illegal because they are irresponsible, damaging speech.
- We have the right to bear arms, but with that comes responsibility to make sure they are only used for proper purposes and to accept the responsibility if they are used incorrectly.
- (Specifically for those on this site) We have the right to hypermile, but we have the responsibility to do so safely and not to the hindrance of others. Some of our driving can be very unorthodox, and we have to be aware that we don't always do what other drivers expect.

Freedom isn't free, not simply because of the classic explanation of the costs it takes to maintain democracy, but also because freedom has weight and responsibility attached to it.

I've never cared much for these truck nutz. I just don't feel that I should have to explain them to my 5 year old son.

And to the person that said the wives of these men who adorn their trucks with nutz should take control, I would bet that 90% of them are single. Coincidence?

Do not ban the "nutz". It gives you some insight into the mentality of the driver.

This discussion is probably very similar to if the topic was burning an American Flag.

Can these be classified as indecent exposure since the owner has taken pains to display them?

Just curious...

This discussion is probably very similar to if the topic was burning an American Flag.

Possibly. But on one hand while I don't feel like banning truck nutz, I would make burning the flag a capital crime. (Perhaps they're similar? It could just be a matter of opinion and apearances.)

Why ban it? Looks like they should worry more about porn on bill boards, teachers raping children, or maybe $4.00 gasoline or drugs....HEEEELLLOOOO!! Whats really silly is the leadership in this great country of ours. We're in a h--- of a mess and it ain't gettin no better and all they can worry about is some fake nutzs on some idiot's truck or car. Lord help us all.

I'd rather see more of this.

http://visualfunhouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/fhm-boob-mini.jpg

Hey, does this mean I have to buy a bra for the front of our hot red TDI Golf if we drive it to Florida? It is a chick car, after all. ;)

Of course, given the plethora of Girls Gone Wild videos originating in Florida, it would appear that state has double standards when it comes to nudity. :rolleyes:

I have yet to see a pair of fake balls hanging off a truck, but I'm sure I'll be annoyed the first time I do, just as I used to be by Calvin p1ssing on Ford or Chevy. Especially when I have to explain it to my young child. But given all the outrageous things in this world that I'm going to have to explain to him over the next few years, this is pretty darned small. I'll get over it, and as mentioned several times already, be glad the owner actually volunteered to pay for and install a DWD (Douchebag Warning Device) for the public good.

One thing is for sure: they aren't gonna get banned here in Oregon. Our constitution acknowledges stronger free-speech rights than the US constitution. The right to honk in support of (or against) picketers, the right to yell in the public square, the right to burn a flag (we recognize that actual freedom is more important than its symbol), the right to open a porn shop in any district zoned for retail business, and the right to slap a 1-800-EAT-S*** sticker on your car. Do-gooders in the legislature have tried to rein in these instances of offensive speech and been smacked down -- over and over again -- in the courts and even (in the case of the porn shops, more than once) at the ballot box. I am not making that last part up. These particular exercises in free speech may be offensive, but for better or worse they're the law of the land around here.

I think the argument could be made that truck nutz are indecent, and indecent speech can be restricted in public even here in Oregon. But given the current coarseness elsewhere in our society I don't think that argument would go very far here. And by coarseness I don't just mean sex and nudity: I'm more offended by violence and by disrespect towards others, which are a lot more rampant and a lot more damaging than Janet Jackson's nipple.

Moving closer to the original topic, someone that views a lot of porn is more likely to be involved with something like pedophilia.I'm pretty sure that's been disproven. Pedophiles are more likely to view a lot of porn than the general public, but that doesn't mean people who view a lot of porn are more likely to be pedophiles. Porn is by far the biggest chunk of Internet traffic. I'd be willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of it is being viewed by people who are not pedophiles.

...I'm pretty sure that's been disproven. Pedophiles are more likely to view a lot of porn than the general public, but that doesn't mean people who view a lot of porn are more likely to be pedophiles. Porn is by far the biggest chunk of Internet traffic. I'd be willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of it is being viewed by people who are not pedophiles.To clarify: most that view porn are not going to the extent of being a pedophile, but it could send the ones more vunerable to such activity over the top.

Allow me to shift for a moment to violence. Most school violence like Columbine and Virginia Tech had definite warning signs from the killers...in fact the parents of the two responsible at Columbine had a lawsuit for not acting harder/quicker.

The way we express ourselve can be a red flag like the case of violence. In most cases, nothing happens, but you never know.

Moving closer to the original topic, someone that views a lot of porn is more likely to be involved with something like pedophilia.
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I really doubt it. I think that pedophilia is a "wiring problem", where the person is mentally stuck or short-circuited. Pedophilia porn might make someone more likely to indulge but only if they are interested in it in the first place. (I wonder if there is some degree of "experimentation" if this is available.)

OTOH, this is a long way from fake testicles.

But I might agree if there were a habitable planet around I might prefer it. :)

--des

I think a lot of our citizens have completely lost the meaning of right and wrong and most these days don't have the guts to stand up for what is right. Porn in any form is wrong and degrades our society. Allowing porn of any kind as "free speech" is a vehicle for failure.

Allow me to shift for a moment to violence. Most school violence like Columbine and Virginia Tech had definite warning signs from the killers...in fact the parents of the two responsible at Columbine had a lawsuit for not acting harder/quicker.

The way we express ourselve can be a red flag like the case of violence. In most cases, nothing happens, but you never know.

Moving closer to the original topic, someone that views a lot of porn is more likely to be involved with something like pedophilia.

I'm sure nobody has researched it, but I'm willing to wager that drivers with truck nutz have a below par driving record (more speeding tickets, etc).

While we are all free to do as we please, Associate Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes once said: "Your rights end where mine begins".

Of course, there is lot of opinions as to where that line is...

First you try to insinuate that TruckNutz are as bad as people shooting innocent people with guns and that people that watch porn are pedophiles. Please stop this insane profiling. In your mind I guess anyone that likes going to a nudist camp is a flasher, and any one the enjoys sex for any other reason than procreation is a sexual deviant, and anyone that owns a gun is a potential murderer. There are still some rights in this country left, for the moment, and before you give or take away all of them please consider how taking things to extremes in anything can have consequences that we might not like in the end. We don't need laws to stop every little thing we don't like or feel is wrong.

It's not necessary to get personal.

We are influenced by what we see and hear - both postively and negatively.

While I doubt seeing truck nuts is going to make one a pedophile or murder, it's still not going to be positive.

I wasn't getting personal at all and don't think I insinuated or said anything derogatory about you. I was merely pointing out that taken to extremes almost anything can be a negative. I apolgize if you took this as an attack against you personally.

As for the trucknutz my reaction to them, I think it is positively stupid and I laugh at how dumb it is, but I will uphold their right to do it, its not like they are the most realistic things in the world. I am sure there are many people that think my bumper stickers stupid and I know there are some that find my "Assume The Position" baby on board type sign is offensive but I don't expect to be arrested for it. Heck the people at Walmart wouldn't even laminate it for me because they said it depicted a sexual act. I didn't say it, but wanted to ask when was the last time they used a gas pump in sex act. Of course, true to their name I guess, Kinkos had no problem laminating it for me.

This is obviously a hot topic.

leave them alone, though i hate the darn things, if you lived on a farm it just becomes the laughing stock. no pun intended.

I think a lot of our citizens have completely lost the meaning of right and wrong and most these days don't have the guts to stand up for what is right. Porn in any form is wrong and degrades our society. Allowing porn of any kind as "free speech" is a vehicle for failure.Never mind.

Never mind to you too.

I think they may be a "Truth in Advertising" id tag. They identify an idiot on the road. Perhaps one should be cautious around them.

--des

I think a lot of our citizens have completely lost the meaning of right and wrong and most these days don't have the guts to stand up for what is right. Porn in any form is wrong and degrades our society. Allowing porn of any kind as "free speech" is a vehicle for failure.

You're wrong and at the risk of rising to flame bait I'll stand up and try to explain it. Chicken about being politically incorrect I ain't.

You've dangerously oversimplified things. People draw different lines where pornography begins. In Victorian times shaped table legs were too suggestive and some people still think a woman's busom is obscene (not a problem for Europeans generally). I think it's nuts that we can see guts being literally ripped out of someone and devoured (like in "Sean of the Dead"--an otherwise good movie) but somehow we need to be protected from potrayals of sexual intimacy between adults:rolleyes:. IMO people without a lick of sense decided somehow that the wrong one is porn.

Folks will take offense at about anything they don't like these days (e.g. driving too slow, driving too fast, following too close, not letting others drive close enough, cars that are too loud, cars that are too quiet--just a few that I've seen on CMPG, but the list is endless) . If you let the government ban things just because some don't like it, eventually they'll get around to banning something you hold near and dear (like hypermiling?). IMO we only ought to be in the business of banning things that can be shown to be injurious to other people. Let people pursue happiness the way as they see fit so long as they don't hurt somebody else.

Besides the most harmful boobs I've seen on TV have been in political ads, not on Janet Jackson's chest.;)

IMO we only ought to be in the business of banning things that can be shown to be injurious to other people. Let people pursue happiness the way as they see fit so long as they don't hurt somebody else.

So, I guess the studies that show the harmful effects of pornography(on those who consume it and on those who are portrayed in it) should be totally ignored then?

So, I guess the studies that show the harmful effects of pornography(on those who consume it and on those who are portrayed in it) should be totally ignored then?Oh, for crying out loud! One might argue there's some psychological harm in porn, but not enough that you'll ever prove it by any kind of legal standard. The harm we're talking about is clear physical or psychological injury, interfering with another's civil rights, or taking their property. I'm sorry, but you just can't say that about porn.

By your weak standard of "harm" we should also be banning alcohol (which causes far more harm) and violence in the media (which causes far more harm to the viewer and society IMO, and on a personal note more offensive to my moral and religious sensibilities). Talk about banning those and I'll be equally vocal in defending people's right to do it.

I love my country, but some of the people in it scare the crap out of me. This is a good example.

Could we go back to talking about truck nutz? I don't see what this porn debate has to do with it.

Oh, for crying out loud! One might argue there's some psychological harm in porn, but not enough that you'll ever prove it by any kind of legal standard. The harm we're talking about is clear physical or psychological injury, interfering with another's civil rights, or taking their property. I'm sorry, but you just can't say that about porn.

By your weak standard of "harm" we should also be banning alcohol (which causes far more harm) and violence in the media (which causes far more harm to the viewer and society IMO, and on a personal note more offensive to my moral and religious sensibilities). Talk about banning those and I'll be equally vocal in defending people's right to do it.

I love my country, but some of the people in it scare the crap out of me. This is a good example.

Could we go back to talking about truck nutz? I don't see what this porn debate has to do with it.
Funny, I was just thinking the same thing.:(

As for banning alcohol, and violence in the media, I think you are probably right.

Porn is not exactly a tangent as years ago that probably would have been the citation issued for someone with truck nuts on their vehicle.

Wonder if this thread is running it's course as there is clearly a sharp divide on this with recycled points being tossed again and again...

Porn is not exactly a tangent as years ago that probably would have been the citation issued for someone with truck nuts on their vehicle.

Wonder if this thread is running it's course as there is clearly a sharp divide on this with recycled points being tossed again and again...
You are probably right.

Someone looking at porn in the privacy of their own home is one thing but when it starts to appear in public places, especially where children can have access to the garbage, then it goes beyond cival liberties, in my opinion. Porn should be kept in it's place-under the out house. Now, I agree...back to the original subject....what was it??

I saw a pickup truck that had been "castrated." I wondered if he just ran over something that stuck up and caught his "nutz." I also wondered if someone was making a statement by cutting them off. If so, I don't condone damaging the property of others. There are plenty of gross bumper stickers I've seen. I do wish that these people could keep such junk off their cars where we all must see it. I know it is for shock value, but it is lowering our society into the gutter where some of us prefer not to tread. If you like that stuff, hang it in your bedroom or on your walls where you can privately enjoy it. I'd never fault you for that. But, hanging it on your car is an affront to many. Why be insulting?

I guess, life can be hard...........ouch!!!