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"...the most schizophrenically written piece of garbage I've ever seen". (http://www.denialism.com/labels/George%20Will.html)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/2006_Toyota_Prius-II.jpgwww.Denialism.com - April 13, 2007

Related Slate Article (http://www.slate.com/id/2186786/), The Hummer vs. the Prius (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2007/06/04/EDGI7Q63U01.DTL), Pacific Institute Study (PDF) (http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integrity_of_science/case_studies/hummer_vs_prius.pdf)

About this time last year some GM-funded cranks at an outfit called CNW Marketing Research (http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy) released this bogus report entitled Dust to Dust automotive report (http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy/DUST%20PDF%20VERSION.pdf)(PDF) which alleges that a Prius is less efficient than an H2.

Now, this was of course loved by all sorts of types who like inversions, you know, those little facts that seem to contradict popular knowledge and allow one to sound oh-so-smart when casually discussed during cocktail hour. Inversions are enormously appealing to people, and that is a cause to be very careful of them, because they often turn out to be myths.

In this case the inversion is that a Hummer, or Chevy Tahoe, is actually more efficient than a Prius because the cost of the hybrid car in production costs, transport, recycling of materials etc., ends up being more than the bigger, supposedly energy-wasting vehicles… http://www.denialism.com/labels/George%20Will.html

I agree.

Very well written and contains all the relevant references.
Definitely the best one I have read.

Cheers;

MSantos

Print version, shows all on one page.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/pf/Auto_News/Green_Car_News/Prius_Versus_HUMMER_Exploding_the_Myth.S196.A12220.html

I agree, well written and balanced. It points out what's valid in the CNW study as well as what's wrong.

It's a good article, but what I'd like to see is a one-page bullet point sheet that I can use for a handout. Something quick and accessible for the masses.

Don't get me wrong. I like in depth articles, but this is too lengthy for the casual reader.

(The current article comes to about 3 and a half pages using size 12 font.)

Fixed some bad links - try it again.

The best question is to ask potential buyers," which one takes more money out of your pocket?" It answers it all.

When you buy a vehicle,you pay everything but the road taxes,and you pay them at the pump, or income tax.

Heck,the BS about the recycling cost is just that.You can sell a dead battery pack or a dead car to recyclers.If it actually cost money to recycle,then they wouldn't give you money for it.

All junk cars are worth money,so recycling is profitable,and they will pick it up for free.
Charlie

It's a good article, but what I'd like to see is a one-page bullet point sheet that I can use for a handout. Something quick and accessible for the masses.


That is a VERY good idea... I also think the "one-pager" should sport a footnote reference to a web site for further details. Something like this could be "cooked" very quickly indeed... the only other thing we would need is a repository for all the references this article is based on.


Cheers;

MSantos

I've cross-linked most Dust to Dust refutals .... perhaps one of us will find time to do a one-page summary. ;)

You know, I've provided one to Honda's Customer Relations Group here in Canada a while ago... maybe I'll adapt it over the weekend just for giggles.

Cheers;

MSantos

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I made a one page bulleted summary in .pdf format but don't see a way to attach it to the post


edited: created a post in PriusChat's File library which has the pdf attached.

Link to the post/file (http://priuschat.com/forums/file-library/46302-my-notes-hummer-vs-prius-rebuttal-1-page-pdf.html#post605416)

I plan on using this at upcoming green events, and have a copy of the full article handy. I won't make copies of the full article so as to save trees. Instead will send people to the web site for the original article.