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atlaw4u
04-16-2008, 08:24 AM
Hydraulic hybrid technology has so far been aimed at delivery and refuse trucks, but it could make sense for smaller vehicles too. So why aren't automotive engineers paying more attention? (http://www.designnews.com/article/CA6549294.html?nid=2333&rid=1812494176)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/UPS_Hydraulic_Hybrid.jpgJoseph Ogando - Design News - April 8, 2008

What if there was a hybrid vehicle technology that could at least double the gas mileage of passenger cars, SUVs and light trucks? What if it could slash emissions by 50 percent or more? And what if it could challenge our usual mileage expectations by offering better fuel consumption in the city than on the highway?

Even better from an engineering and manufacturing standpoint, what if this hybrid technology didn’t rely on expensive, heavy, bulky battery technologies that aren’t really ready for prime time and instead used a time-tested energy storage method?

Well, there is just such a hybrid-vehicle technology, and it’s one based entirely on hydraulic components rather than electric ones.

In many ways, these hydraulic hybrids conceptually resemble their electric hybrid cousins. Only in this case, energy storage takes place not in a battery but in high-pressure hydraulic accumulators usually charged in excess of 3,000 psi. The best of these accumulators have power densities of roughly 500 kW/kg, according to Jim O’Brien, founder and chief technology officer for Hybra Drive Systems, a start-up focusing on the development of hydraulic power trains.

Design concepts for hydraulic hybrids vary, but typically the car’s diesel or gas engine powers a hydraulic pump motor, which charges that high-pressure accumulator. The accumulator, in turn, drives one or more additional pump motors connected to the wheels. A second lower pressure accumulator typically completes the hydraulic circuit. Depending on the design, there may be one pump motor to drive a pair of wheels through a differential or one pump motor per wheel for an all-wheel-drive version with independent torque control. During braking, the pump motors on the wheels reverse themselves, re-charging the accumulator and capturing energy that would otherwise be lost to heat.

The hydraulic hybrids now under development can communicate with modern engines and do have some electronic controls. Yet in their purest form, they don’t really need any electronics to function. Hybra Drive, for example, has shoehorned a prototype hydraulic power train into a 1968 Volkswagen Beetle. “The only electric thing on that car is the spark plug,” says O’Brien.

Hydraulic hybrid vehicles aren’t exactly news to everyone. Operators of truck fleets have recently taken an interest. FedEx, UPS and Waste Management have been evaluating hydraulic hybrids developed by fluid power players such as Parker Hannifin and Eaton Corp. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has also been involved with the design and testing of these vehicles and even showed a hydraulically driven UPS truck at the International Fluid Power Exposition, which devoted two different technical sessions to hydraulic hybrids recently in Las Vegas.

What is new about these vehicles is that a growing chorus of academic researchers, start-up companies and fluid power suppliers are starting to evaluate the suitability of hydraulic hybrid technology for smaller vehicles such as passenger cars and SUVs. None of them claim hydraulic hybrids are going to kill the Prius and its ilk anytime soon. “Electric hybrids have a tremendous amount of momentum right now,” says Simon Baseley, director of engineering strategy and program management for Bosch Rexroth mobile hydraulics. And while hydraulic technology has matured in many applications, it still needs some development work to go into high-volume automotive production. “The major development need right now is for a pump motor with high efficiencies at low displacement,” says James Van de Ven, a Worcester Polytechnic mechanical engineering professor who is researching hydraulic hybrid vehicles. Accumulators also need work to make them lighter, smaller and less expensive to produce. But there has been some recent progress on both scores.http://www.designnews.com/article/CA6549294.html?nid=2333&rid=1812494176

phoebeisis
04-16-2008, 08:43 AM
I'm curious
1) How/what keeps the hydraulic fluid under pressure? Is it forced into a cylinder where it compresses a sealed spring,and the spring is the actual energy acccumulator?



Thanks,
Charlie

rhwinger
04-16-2008, 11:03 AM
An accumulator stores energy by using fluid to compress air at some high pressure in the accululator cylinder. The accululator "charges" by having the fluid enter the cylinder under high pressure and compresses an air "pocket" at one end of the cylinder. The air pocket volume decreases as the fluid enters, but the air pressure correspondingly increases.

Later when energy is need to say, drive the wheels, the fluid leaves the cylinder going to the hydraulic motor. Air pressure in the accumulator drops as the fluid leaves.

A spring may be used in the accumulator, but most that I have seen are just "air bladders" with no springs.

Hope this helps?

Thanks,

Bob

Hope this helps.

m6soto
04-16-2008, 01:10 PM
I like what I'm seeing here.

xcel
04-16-2008, 01:26 PM
Hi Charlie:

___Just like Bob said. You can pre-press the top of the bladder (usually N2) and let the hydraulic fluid inrush and outflow pressure be maintained by volume increase or decreases as is done in many industries but the problem in my mind is leaks. Even stationary accumulators at 1,800 + psi leak over time and that is not going to be a satisfactory solution for the common man. When was the last time a vehicle leaked any fluid on ones garage floor. Bring in a non-commercial hydraulic hybrid that drives down the road in any number of environments and I bet that problem arises real fast with the purchaser screaming all over the net at the top of their lungs?

___Good Luck

___Wayne

phoebeisis
04-16-2008, 06:31 PM
Bob,Wayne,
Thanks for the info. Hmmm, yes I could see leaks being a problem.The gas or the hydraulic fluid could leak. There is also the question of heat lost from the gas, but I'm guessing the cylinder can be adequately insulated to make heat energy loss negligible.

A coiled spring would be a lot heavier than an air spring, bulkier also.

The article doesn't mention how much energy a reasonable sized accumulator-100 lbs-can store?Doesn't a Prius battery-roughly 100 lbs-store 1500 watt hrs-.I "think" it will only deliver about 400 watt hrs,since it is only drained down to 70%. I might be wrong about the specifics of what the Prius battery will deliver. The 400 watt hrs could push a Prius to the top of a 360 foot hill-lotta energy.

Any idea how much a 100 lb accumulator can store?Ignore all the pump weight etc.

Thanks,
Charlie

Arctic Fox
04-16-2008, 09:41 PM
Leaky hoses might be a problem, but surely nothing 20+ years of R&D couldn't have handled. The last comment on that article, if accurate, states that this was working tech back in 1980. That's a lot of wasted fuel.

Harold
04-16-2008, 10:49 PM
From my expierances with Hyd. systems and electronics I have found that electronical machines where less trouble and the people trouble shooting where better trained and took more pride in thier job. Hydraulics where nothing but problems. Machines and the machanical staff below standards. Hydraulic machines leak alot of oil as well, very dirty and not environment friendly! H

Elixer
04-16-2008, 11:59 PM
It sounds very very promising, but the fact that it isn't being implemented tells me there is more to the story. As others have pointed out, this doesn't tell us if these things can run 200,000 miles with little maintenance, no leaks, over wide temperature ranges and conditions.

If fluid leaking is a problem, I wonder if you could "catch" the leaks and recycle the fluid, mostly with the intension to keep the fluid off the floor?



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