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xcel
04-07-2008, 10:26 AM
Boost fuel, camless engines are some of the ideas they’re studying. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23810675/)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/Ford_EcoBoost_02.jpgSteve Kichen - Forbes - April 7, 2008

Ford’s ECOBoost - Direct injection with turbo charging into a smaller displacement ICE leads to FE gains.

Fuel costs tripled in the last 5 years with the possibility of yet another triple over the next 5 yet the automakers are looking for a 15 to 30% while increasing outputs. Obviously they are missing the boat. -- Ed.

It was not that long ago that US motorists were paying $1 for a gallon of regular gasoline. Today, the auto industry and outside researchers have a big incentive to explore energy-saving ideas that they would have considered zany just a few years ago.

Automotive history is ripe with tales of inventors with promising new engine technologies who were never able to bring their "ideas" to market. This time, maybe one or two of the ideas that follow will actively deliver a breakthrough.

Ethanol injection

One of the most promising new ideas in energy efficiency comes from researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. The proposition: get more power and efficiency out of turbocharged motors by injecting ethanol, methanol or E85 (85 percent methanol, 15 percent gasoline) into the engine at times of higher demands for power.

The MIT crowd claims this technology can boost gas mileage by as much as 30 percent, and that it allows a high-compression engine and high-boost turbocharger to operate on regular gasoline. Daniel Cohn, senior research scientist at the MIT Laboratory for Energy and the Environment, and other MIT professors, have formed a company, Ethanol Boosting Systems, and are testing… http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23810675/

Daox
04-07-2008, 11:07 AM
Camless technology would be great. It would eliminate a couple systems in the engine making it cheaper, more efficient, and incredibly tunable. I've been waiting for this one for a long time.

Ethanol injection is interesting. Haven't heard of it before. However, it sounds costly unless you are already starting with a turbocharged engine.

pdk
04-07-2008, 11:25 AM
Now, when the headline reads "Automakers release gas-saving technology", then I'll be impressed.

warthog1984
04-07-2008, 11:44 AM
My metals/corrosion professor told us one day that back in the 70' oil crunch, any Big 3 employee who could shave a pound from a car would get a $1000 bonus.

This seems like round 2.

toastblows
04-07-2008, 11:51 AM
My metals/corrosion professor told us one day that back in the 70' oil crunch, any Big 3 employee who could shave a pound from a car would get a $1000 bonus.

This seems like round 2.

When did Doughnut spare tires come in?....that had to be one of the ways to get $1000.

vtec-e
04-07-2008, 12:06 PM
The overhead cams are a big draw on the engine alright. These guys seem to have something that might work: www.coatesengine.com/technology.html
I would wonder how good the seal is around the spheres though, given that the seals have to do their job while the spheres spin like the clappers!!

ollie

Earthling
04-07-2008, 01:38 PM
Ethanol Boosting Systems thinks it is possible to get as much as 330 horsepower and 360 foot-pounds of torque from a 1.9-liter engine using regular-grade gasoline as the primary fuel.

Okay, put 1.9-liter engines in SUV's. Or 0.7-liter engines in smaller cars with the boost system. An extra tank would be a hassle, but if the fuel economy could be raised substantially by downsizing the engine, it might just work.

Ethanol boosting sounds a lot like MW50 "methanol-wasser" injection used on BMW radial engines in WWII:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MW50

Harry

Chuck
04-07-2008, 02:07 PM
If you look at the Model-T article - it's inescapable the ICE has become vastly more efficient - we have just made the car a lot heavier and faster.

The other thing that can be done is looking into ways to make the car lighter...what if you could have a steel version of corrigated cardboard?

vtec-e
04-08-2008, 03:15 AM
The other thing that can be done is looking into ways to make the car lighter...what if you could have a steel version of corrigated cardboard?
Yeah baby!! Panel beating might be a pain tho... unless it was made from memory metal...
Ok, i need some sleep....

ollie



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