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shovelhead91701
01-22-2008, 05:12 PM
"Driving a hybrid vehicle costs more in terms of overall energy consumed than comparable non-hybrid vehicles, according to CNW Marketing Research Inc.

The Bandon, Oregon, auto research firm says in a news release that it spent two years collecting data on the energy necessary to plan, build, sell, drive and dispose of a vehicle from initial concept to scrappage. This includes such minutia as plant to dealer fuel costs, employee driving distances, electricity usage per pound of material used in each vehicle and literally hundreds of other variables.

To put the data into understandable terms for consumers, it was translated into a "dollars per lifetime mile" figure. That is, the Energy Cost per mile driven.

One of the reasons hybrids cost more than non-hybrids is the manufacture, replacement and disposal of such items as batteries, electric motors (in addition to the conventional engine), lighter weight materials and complexity of the power package.

For example, the Honda Accord Hybrid has an Energy Cost per Mile of $3.29 while the conventional Honda Accord is $2.18. Put simply, over the "Dust to Dust" lifetime of the Accord Hybrid, it will require about 50 percent more energy than the non-hybrid version, CNW claims.

And while many consumers and environmentalists have targeted sport-utility vehicles because of their lower fuel economy and/or perceived inefficiency as a means of transportation, the energy cost per mile shows at least some of that disdain is misplaced.

For example, while the industry average of all vehicles sold in the U.S. in 2005 was $2.28 cents per mile, the Hummer H3 (among most SUVs) was only $1.949 cents per mile. That figure is also lower than all currently offered hybrids and Honda Civics at $2.42 per mile.

"If a consumer is concerned about fuel economy because of family budgets or depleting oil supplies, it is perfectly logical to consider buying high fuel economy vehicles," says Art Spinella, president of CNW Marketing Research, Inc. "But if the concern is the broader issues such as environmental impact of energy usage, some high-mileage vehicles actually cost society more than conventional or even larger models over their lifetime."

The most Energy Expensive vehicle sold in the U.S. in calendar year 2005: Maybach at $11.58 per mile. The least expensive: Scion xB at $0.48 cents. "We believe this kind of data is important in a consumer's selection of transportation," says Spinella. "Basing purchase decisions solely on fuel economy or vehicle size does not get to the heart of the energy usage issue."

Taken from the pages of Car & Driver

xcel
01-22-2008, 05:15 PM
Hi Shovelhead:

___Instead of linking everything to debate this garbage another hundred times, do a search on CNW and Art Spinella here at CleanMPG. This stuff was all but fabricated and when you trace it back the original writers (where the money comes from), guess who shows up? Yeah, they are oil related in a very big way :(

___I will be watching the search functions in the next few minutes to make sure you were indeed following up.

___Good Luck

___Wayne

shovelhead91701
01-22-2008, 05:18 PM
I guess i was naive to believe something written in a magazine..... :confused:

GrendelKhan
01-22-2008, 05:20 PM
I think it sounds like lies. And a bit stupid, really.

-Gren

mparrish
01-22-2008, 05:20 PM
http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integrity_of_science/case_studies/hummer_versus_prius.html

xcel
01-22-2008, 08:56 PM
Hi DieselTruck:

___Not going anywhere. Oregon has been considering taxing automobiles on the distance they travel however :rolleyes: About road damage and the heavier the vehicle … Something you should do some searches on.

___By the way, how are you going to attempt to decrease your fuel consumption this year?

___Good Luck

___Wayne

desdemona
01-23-2008, 08:21 AM
I guess i was naive to believe something written in a magazine..... :confused:

You can't believe everythign you read.
For instance, I'm surprised that you didn't quote the urban myth that the Hummer is more environmentally friendly than the Prius. This has been refuted again and again and again....

BTW, at some point we have to consider that society pays for the CO2 and other noxious gases pumped into the environment.

Also Shovelhead, I hope you realize that this is not exactly a debate forum. This is a discussion forum. I think most readers on forums lurk for awhile and determine what type of forum they are actually dealing with.

--des

brick
01-23-2008, 09:38 AM
I just did the quick math and figured that if I sold my car today with 23,000mi on it, it would have cost me $0.38/mi including the big first-year depreciation, insurance, gas, property taxes, and registration fees. With the exception of gasoline costs increasing, that figure only improves over the life of the car. Even if I have to pay for a new battery after the warranty is up at 150,000mi (which I won't) that would add two cents per mile to the cost.

Of course the premise of this article is that the car costs more than the consumer actually pays. How? Does it make sense that Toyota would somehow eat some huge energy cost incurred while building a million plus hybrid vehicles? I think not. The consumer pays for that energy in the purchase cost of the vehicle. How about the cost at the end of vehicle life? The only thing that's different is the battery, and that gets recycled along with the rest of the car. This idea that it takes so much energy to build a hybrid just doesn't pass the sanity test. $2+ per mile? I think not.

IPlayTrumpets
03-24-2008, 08:42 PM
Well, to take the selfish view - MY main concern if I bought the thing would be "how much is it going to cost ME". So I would easily pick the hybrid, even if they weren't making this stuff up.

Chuck
03-24-2008, 08:46 PM
I'd rather let this thread lie, given it was started by members at another group trolling us...note that Dust to Dust and CNW are automatically linked as this urban myth gets way too much circulation.



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