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xcel
01-08-2008, 07:23 PM
Better yet: It counts former critics among its leading fans. (http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=215917)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/Volt_in_Boston.jpgDavid Dias – National Post - Jan. 8, 2008

A lot more Chevrolet Volt details on the table than most News outlets have output over the last year. And a great read at that! -- Ed.

GM took tons of heat for killing its first electric car, the EV1. Now it's back with the Volt. Based on simple concepts, the Volt has revolutionary potential and an audacious 2010 launch target.

It's early on a Sunday morning in December. Motor City is covered in slush and ice as Jon Lauckner, General Motors' vice-president of global program management, and a handful of colleagues board one of the company's private jets, a Gulfstream bound for sunny Anaheim, Calif., to attend the 23rd annual Electric Vehicle Symposium (EVS23). There, with thousands of enviro-car enthusiasts in attendance, Lauckner and a few key members of GM's green team will be exhibiting the company's latest advances in zero-emission automotive technology, and laying out its strategy and timeline for bringing these to market. GM was a founding sponsor of EVS, and has been attending for more than two decades. But this year is special. For the first time since 2002, when GM scrapped its Saturn EV1 electric-car project - an admitted strategic blunder that disappointed legions of fans and led to the company's vilification in Chris Paine's 2006 documentary Who Killed the Electric Car? - North America's largest automaker will be reporting real progress on the development of a battery-powered vehicle for ordinary drivers: the Chevy Volt. And Lauckner, a plainspoken, mustachioed Michigan native, will have the privilege of delivering the good news.

Frankly, GM needs some good news to talk about. Over the past five years, onerous union obligations, including the legacy health-care costs of its pensioners, have bled GM's finances at home. Meantime, the automaker has been losing market share to its more fuel-efficient Japanese rivals as the rapid industrialization of China and India boost gasoline prices in the U.S., and weaken demand for the trucks and SUVs that have long been GM's bread and butter. If these trends sound frightening, the bottom line is downright bleak. Since 2002, GM's stock has dropped 20%, to a 25-year-low, and the automaker has cumulatively lost a whopping $44 billion (all currencies U.S.) - nearly three times what GM is currently worth on the public markets. A slow turnaround is in the works, though. In September, GM negotiated a more favorable contract with the United Auto Workers, which created an independent trust to administer retiree health-care benefits and move spiraling costs off its balance sheet. It has also won kudos from the automotive press for its 2008 lineup of vehicles, including the Cadillac CTS (Motor Trend's Car of the Year) and the Chevy Tahoe hybrid (Green Car Journal's Car of the Year). Still, GM suffers from a troubled reputation and is viewed by motorists as a second-rate automaker that trails its Japanese competitors. "There are people who think we've lost our technological edge," says Lauckner.

A year ago, however, GM took a major step towards reclaiming that edge. At the North American International Auto Show (NAIAS), held in Detroit, Bob Lutz, head of product development, unveiled the muscular Chevy Volt, a concept vehicle that he vowed would become the world's first mass-produced electric car. A direct descendent of the EV1, the new vehicle Lutz described would derive all its propulsion from a single electric motor. For the first 64 kilometres of a trip - longer than most daily commutes - a rechargeable battery that you could plug into a standard wall socket at home would power the motor all by itself; for longer drives, a gasoline generator would kick in to provide continued electrical current to the motor… http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=215917

Earthling
01-08-2008, 07:41 PM
GM had better have a "Plan B," in case the Volt fizzles.

They shouldn't put all their eggs in one basket. A small, fuel-efficient, inexpensive car should also be on the drawing boards, one with an engine optimized for efficiency, and made in the US.

Harry

xcel
01-08-2008, 09:01 PM
Hi Earthling:

___The A-class sized “Beat” is being readied for the rest of the world (designed and will be produced in Korea) but I am not so sure it will ever be made available in the US? GM says no but if gasoline prices get out of hand and the SMART takes off, the Beat still might make it here? Chevrolet had it at their booth in LA and I bet they will show it again in Detroit this coming weekend too?

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/2007_Chevrolet_Beat_Cnoncept.jpgThe distinctly styled A-class car will be initially targeted to markets outside of U.S. and Canada, starting in mid-2009.

The Beat concept was developed primarily at GM’s Design Studio in Bupyeong, South Korea with input from GM’s global network of designers and GM’s Korean partner, GM Daewoo. As South Korea is a primary market for this exciting new car, production will begin there.

Designed to evoke the mood of a speedy micro import tuner, the Beat is a front-wheel-drive, three-door hatchback concept built to be personalized, and powered by a 1.2-liter turbocharged gasoline engine mated to an automatic transmission.

___As for everything else GM makes, the Aveo is too inefficient if (when???) gas prices go through the roof and the Cobalt is another small and inefficient POS.

___The Volt is going through but let us hope it is at a cost that will sell. $30K + when a Prius-III PHEV-10 or 20 can be had for $25K or less will be tough to overcome.

___Good Luck

___Wayne

98CRV
01-08-2008, 09:52 PM
I like the fact that GM's attitude is one of full intention to bring this to market. I hope it's a quantum move forward, not incremental. If so, it can push others further, faster, the way competition can.

desdemona
01-08-2008, 10:27 PM
A small inexpensive economical car with a back seat and great gas mileage-- sounds like a Yaris or Fit. (Or the Focus for that matter.) What's the matter with these people? Aren't those cars doing well in the US? Or are they worried that we have already left the US car market never to return? I sure am not going to change my mind if they never make one!

OTOH, it's nice to see how much buzz the Volt is getting. No pun, sorry sorry. :)
I sure hope they don't plan on doing a rerun of killing the electric car.

--des

Earthling
01-09-2008, 07:53 AM
Designed to evoke the mood of a speedy micro import tuner, the Beat is a front-wheel-drive, three-door hatchback concept built to be personalized, and powered by a 1.2-liter turbocharged gasoline engine mated to an automatic transmission.




That's what I'm talking about: a 1.2 liter turbocharged engine in a small, quality car. One built in the US would be the nuts. A 5-speed manual transmission should be an option, as it fits the style of a car like that.

Sure, the Volt would be great, but GM needs to take care of people who don't have $30K for a car.

Harry

stretched_over
01-09-2008, 11:38 AM
Id say a carr that can be pluged like the volt even for 30K is better then say 25k for a prius that CANT be pluged into an outlet straight from the manufature is a better deal in the long run too me. I have heard(and correct me if im wrong)But it cost more then 5k too install the needed parts too be able too charge a prius from home. So the volt will easily in concept be able too run soley on battery power with out using many hypermiler techiques at all and still get great millage.

xcel
01-09-2008, 11:55 AM
Hi Stretched Over:

___You are entirely correct. Current non OEM PHEV-20 + conversions are on the order of $12 - $20K over the cost of the Prius to begin with. However, the OEM Prius PHEV-6 will probably only add an additional $1,000 using a second NiMH pack and included smart charger. Once Toyota goes Li-Ion, a PHEV-20 for $25K is doable. The Volt however will probably have better performance and drivability with a full powered electric MGSet vs. the smallish by comparison MG2 currently in the Prius-II

___With a $250/kWh Li-Ion cost basis, I think GM can make the VOLT and its included 16 kWh pack (OEM = $4,000) extremely profitable at $25K!

___My fingers are crossed and we shall see …

___Good Luck

___Wayne

stretched_over
01-09-2008, 01:25 PM
Thanks Wayne. I knwo that once my car is paided that i got now which will not be for sometime. I hope the volt will still be on the market as I will be looking at one once it is paid off.

Robert Lastick
01-09-2008, 03:10 PM
Toyota has been talking about development of a PHEV using nickel batteries and then when the technology is perfected, making the new Lithium batterys a switch and plug. Good idea and it would get us something before 2010.

Also, I have a real big problem with the big 3 developing high gas mileage cars not for us. Wayne, GM is an American company. The "Beat" and many other European high mileage cars are needed here. They are needed now. Americans are loosing their homes and going into debt many will never recover from because the big 3 refuses to sell the vehicles needed by their country, to their people. What do we have here Wayne? What choices do the big 3 offer a low income fellow? He needs a car to go to work with that will get him 50 MPG. They offer nothing.
They are hiding behind Tier 2 (and other regulations as reasons why they cannot offer energy efficient European cars to us) for their own profit. We are their sacrificial goat.

I'm sorry. I find it very hard to have any sympathy for them. If they had continued developing the EV1 and not put it out to pasture 5 years ago, they would be in the competetion now. As it is they are now hoping they can keep us addicted to the "Silverado habit" until they can catch up.

Its un-American.

xcel
01-09-2008, 03:39 PM
Hi Robert:

___I hear you loud and clear. I am sure you know I am GM, Ford’s and especially Chrysler’s biggest critic here as well. At the same time I am still cheering for the home team.

___On a profitability basis, I do not know if the HCH-II is or not but I am sure it isn’t adding much to the bottom line if anything. In the case of the Prius, that one is a done deal. That leaves the std. Civic (29 combined), Fit (31 combined), Corolla (31 combined) and Yaris (32 combined) to help our country. Sorry, but those numbers do not help either! The Camry and Accord are not that fuel efficient so forget about those. From the domestics, that leaves the Focus (28 combined), Cobalt and Aveo (27 combined). As shown, the std. Civic is not doing much more then a Focus. That leaves Ford with their upcoming Verve/Fiesta replacement and it better **** well have numbers better than everything listed or it was a total waste. GM does not have anything and that is the way it will be.

___We need 45 mpg to be relieved of our addiction. Nothing other then the Prius-II currently achieves that goal and unfortunately or not, some just cannot afford that vehicle :(

___On the bright side, Honda’s new global hybrid should be much more affordable for the masses and be capable of beyond Prius numbers … On the highway anyway? Ford could bring over their CDTi’s from Europe but we know they will not. The extremely lightweight and safe Fiesta/Verve should help for the average Joe depending on what Ford powers it by? GM could bring over their diesels from Europe but they will not :( Toyota will be hybridizing the Corolla by 2010 so at least the masses who can afford an $18,000 automobile will have a 60 mpg capable daily driver. Same for the Yaris when Toyota finally get around to hybridizing that one as well?

___Good Luck

___Wayne



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