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The Gold: *This term is only for me trying to set a Record in FE: Referred to here as the (Gold).

Tiger (Terry) tries for the {Gold} with his New HCH II.

Trip is to Frankfort, Ky. & Back.

Going to try my level best at least on the 1st Leg of this to Drive at (55 MPH) and I just
Adjusted the (Tire-Pressure) to (55 Lbs. ) in all 4-Tires.



Mr. Honaker should have said, that this was to see what the HCH II would do for FE without any {Assistance-At-All} from the {Driver}. Test was to see how the Hybrid does on it's (Own) without any (Additional-Help). If the HCH II would get "Above" the EPA Rating with {No-Help} then can you just Imagine what the HCH II could get with all the (Hypermiling Technics) that xcel and others here at www.CleanMPG.com (http://www.CleanMPG.com)do. Blushing, Sorry I did not make this alot "Clearer".:o

Wish me Luck :D

Good luck terry. Remember no cruise control or A/C. HEHE. I can always wish can't I?

Hi Terry:

___Find alternates through towns with limited stop lights and signs to take advantage of their 35 to 45 mph limits. This might help out a wee bit ;) Do not take 55 mph as a gold standard. If there is no one behind, DWL on those massive slopes. Their is a minimum speed limit of course but only when its clear to the rear. With any anticipated distant stop ahead, immediately begin your glide and with any acceleration, use minimal assist. Watch the rear view almost as much as the front windscreen and take it easy. It is about time you get those tires pressed up. Maybe Mark and Tarabell like segments are not that far off in your own daily grind with the new setup and FE focus ;)

___Good Luck and keep us informed.

___Wayne

The Gold: *This term is only for me trying to set a Record in FE: Referred to here as the (Gold).

Tiger (Terry) tries for the {Gold} with his New HCH II.

Trip is to Frankfort, Ky. & Back.

Going to try my level best at least on the 1st Leg of this to Drive at (55 MPH) and I just Adjusted the (Tire-Pressure) to (55 Lbs. ) in all 4-Tires.



Mr. Honaker should have said, that this was to see what the HCH II would do for FE without any {Assistance-At-All} from the {Driver}. Test was to see how the Hybrid does on it's (Own) without any (Additional-Help). If the HCH II would get "Above" the EPA Rating with {No-Help} then can you just Imagine what the HCH II could get with all the (Hypermiling Technique's) that xcel and others here at www.CleanMPG.com (http://www.CleanMPG.com)do. Blushing, Sorry I did not make this alot "Clearer".:o

Wish me Luck :D


Mr. Honaker should have said, that this was to see what the HCH II would do for FE without any {Assistance-At-All} from the {Driver}. Test was to see how the Hybrid does on it's (Own) without any (Additional-Help). If the HCH II would get "Above" the EPA Rating with {No-Help}, then can you just Imagine what the HCH II could get with all the (Hypermiling Technique's) that xcel and others here at www.CleanMPG.com (http://www.cleanmpg.com/)do. Blushing, Sorry I did not make this alot "Clearer".:o

This is a Scanned copy of the Gas Receipt for the, 4.069 Gallons of Gas:
Click on Pic to Enlarge:
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/500/thumbs/3RD_Gas_Receipt_for_Trip_to_Ky_4_16_2006_3RD_Pic.jpg (http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/342/cat/500/ppuser/5)
Picture One is of the Fuel Gauge Reading before I refilled Gas-Tank:
Click on Pic to Enlarge:
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/500/thumbs/fuel_reading_correct_position_4_17_2006.jpg (http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/335/cat/500/ppuser/5)
It looked like to me that there was 3-Squares down from Full.
As you can see, one could certainly drive a, Very-Very Long Way
based on the Amount of Fuel (Used) and the Amount of Fuel (Left)
in Tank.

Picture Two is of the, Odometer Reading of the, Miles-Driven
and the MPG that the Computer Figured:
I also took the time to, Calculate the, Exact MPG Based on the Gallons
to Refill the Tank. See: Below
Click on Pic to Enlarge:
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/500/thumbs/odometer_reading_4_16_2006.jpg (http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/336/cat/500/ppuser/5)

The actual MPG figure is: 66.7 MPG

This is Based on the Amount of Gallons (4.069) to Refill the Tank.
The Miles Driven: 271.4
That gives us the above MPG Figure of: 66.7 MPG

As many of us already know. The on board computer is somewhere between 2-3 mpg short of the actual mpg that the Hybrid gets.

I think what is really interesting about this example here is that it was done in the following manner. I set the
(Cruise Control) on 55 MPH and "Never" did anything else to achieve higher MPG. Not (Anything) at all. The car did it all from "Start to Finish".
The only exception to this, is I did not turn on the A/C System. It was not Hot so I did not use it. I set the temperature where I wanted it and the car took care of the rest. The fan speed varied as it warmed up but it was never uncomfortable.
I did nothing else but sit back and listen to the X/M Satellite Radio. One more thing.
I Never-Stopped, to take a break or the usual Bathroom thing. I drank nothing and did not eat until I got to my destination in Ky. I say this only to be Honest and not Mislead anyone.
The HCH II far exceeds the EPA estimate on Hwy. Mileage. I personally wanted to see for myself what the Hybrid could do on it's own and I have to tell you that this car will get it done and you as the Pilot have to do nothing but point it in the right direction. In my case I told the Navagation the Address and from there on the car took care of everything.

Remember that the MPG of 66.7 was done with No-Assistance from the Driver.
Just try to imagine what this HCH II could do with all the (Hypermiling-Technique's) that the Members here like, Xcel (Wayne), Tbaleno,(Tom), Krousdb, Ericbecky and the other members here know how to do. If I am not, just way off, it looks like to me that the HCH II is in the, Ball-Park of the Insight. Don't PANIC Insight owners I am just pointing out that for this car to be a sedan and not a Light-Weight it is really quite impressive. (IMHO) of Course.

Yes, I realize the Insight is still, The-King. ;)

Note* For those reading this: Starting-Mileage on this Hybrid was, 584-Miles an still has the Break-In Oil in the Engine. No Mobil 1 0-20 Synthetic; (YET).This was done from a starting point in Franklin, Tn. to the small town of Sadieville, Ky. The trip from my house to Ky. is some Flat Areas. But mainly it is driving Up-Hill from Tn. Also you are climbing Up-Hills and then the car is holding the set speed of 55 MPH so you do not get the Benefit of Coasting with the ICE-OFF. I say this to let everyone know that where I live and traveled to is not the best for increased FE. Way to many hills being climbed and None of the Benefite of the Hypermiling Technique's that would let the car gain back those lost MPG while ICE is Working-Overtime to Climb those hills one after another. If I chose to get back the Lost MPG in FE from Climbing those Hills, I think the FE would be in the (70's). The reason I say this is because in the beginning of the trip I was on more Flat-Ground and the computer had a read out of (72-73 MPG) and don't forget that the Computer is short by "2-3 MPG". The MPG for the 1st 116 Miles had a reading of (72-73 MPG) and now add to that The (Lost 2-3 MPG) and you would be somewhere in the Ball Park of, (74-76 MPG). I am adding these comments for those that live in the States & or Countries that are Flatter in Nature than where I live and was driving to in my trip. Keep in mind once again that I did not choose to {Help} out the Hybrid's FE by doing at the (Bare Minimum the FAS) {Forced Auto-Stop). So I did not recover Lost MPG on the Climbing of the Many-Many Hills with the Gaining of that back on the Down-Side of the Hills with using the (FAS Technique). For those living and driving in the much "Flatter Areas" your FE would be more I think in the
(74-76 MPG Range at a Speed of 55 MPH).

Good-Luck all on your FE, it's certainly there if (You-Want-It). :D


For the Un-Belivers that these {Hybrids-Do-Not-Perform} I say, "HUM-BUG" on Them.

Hi Terry:

___That was truly an excellent segment you punched out! If you ever come close to that on your daily back and forth work commute, you, Mark, and Tarabell are going to have to start giving HCH-II clinic’s!

___I can not guarantee this but I believe that is the highest recorded FE over that distance in an HCH-II on the planet to date although I am guessing … I can bet you were absolutely ecstatic seeing > 60 mpg for the first time in your life, weren’t you :D

___I can just about see Terry’s hypermiling bug about to burst out of the cocoon!

___Tarabell, remember what we were talking about the other day in Chat? I hope you find that right lane even more appealing now ;)

___Terry, Good Luck and congrats!

___Wayne

jealous as usual. Comfort and FE is usually a luxury for me...

more proof that simply travelling steadily at a reasonable speed solves a lot of issues... even without pushing the envelope.

This information was added after the Thread/Post was typed:


Note* For those reading this: Starting-Mileage on this Hybrid was, 584-Miles an still has the Break-In Oil in the Engine. No Mobil 1 o-20 Synthetic; (YET).This was done from a starting point in Franklin, Tn. to the small town of Sadieville, Ky. The trip from my house to Ky. is some Flat Areas. But mainly it is driving Up-Hill from Tn. Also you are climbing Up-Hills and then the car is holding the set speed of 55 MPH so you do not get the Benefit of Coasting with the ICE-OFF. I say this to let everyone know that where I live and traveled to is not the best for increased FE. Way to many hills being climbed and None of the Benefite of the Hypermiling Technique's that would let the car gain back those lost MPG while ICE is Working-Overtime to Climb those hills one after another. If I chose to get back the Lost MPG in FE from Climbing those Hills, I think the FE would be in the (70's). The reason I say this is because in the beginning of the trip I was on more Flat-Ground and the computer had a read out of (72-73 MPG) and don't forget that the Computer is short by "2-3 MPG". The MPG for the 1st 116 Miles had a reading of (72-73 MPG) and now add to that The (Lost 2-3 MPG) and you would be somewhere in the Ball Park of, (74-76 MPG). I am adding these comments for those that live in the States & or Countries that are Flatter in Nature than where I live and was driving to in my trip. Keep in mind once again that I did not choose to {Help} out the Hybrid's FE by doing at the (Bare Minimum the FAS) {Forced Auto-Stop). So I did not recover Lost MPG on the Climbing of the Many-Many Hills with the Gaining of that back on the Down-Side of the Hills with using the (FAS Technique). For those living and driving in the much "Flatter Areas" your FE would be more I think in the
(74-76 MPG Range at a Speed of 55 MPH).

Good-Luck all on your FE, it's certainly there if (You-Want-It). :D


For the Un-Belivers that these {Hybrids-Do-Not-Perform} I say, "HUM-BUG" on Them.

Tiger that is a big WOW!
Sadieville was where you took the photo of your Trip B mileage, right?
I'm inferring from your post the road home to Franklin had lots of downhills (versus the trip up) and you also used cruise control that way too. Do you recall what was your Trip B mileage when you got home?

:) :) Congratulations :) :)

Tiger that is a big WOW!
Sadieville was where you took the photo of your Trip B mileage, right?
I'm inferring from your post the road home to Franklin had lots of downhills (versus the trip up) and you also used cruise control that way too. Do you recall what was your Trip B mileage when you got home?

:) :) Congratulations :) :)

Tarabell,

Well I was going to Post the Results of driving the HCH II at a "Constant 65 MPH" with the "Cruise-Control" on the return trip home. Yes the Picture I Posted of the Gas Receipt was taken in Sadieville, Ky. right where I got off the Exit Ramp. I was hoping to have the FE results of 55 MPH and also at 65 MPH.

Well that did not work, I ran into all kinds of traffic and just Honestly could not maintain a constant 65 MPH speed.

But just as a comment on the 65 MPH Cruise Speed. The Computer was showing 56.1 MPG. If we added in the 2-3 MPG that the computer is short. We would have a MPG of Approx. 58-59 MPG. Just to much traffic to keep the speed constant. So anyway that will give you some idea of the FE at 65 MPH. As well as the Recorded, Verified, 66.7 MPG at 55 MPH.

I can tell you this the only reason that I was able to do the 1st segment was because it was, Easter Sunday and the traffic was at least Tolerable. So that's why I did the trip on Easter Sunday and not Saturday which would have given me more time to visit the Family. I was hoping that I could Maintain the 55 MPH without interruption. As it turned out I was able to do the trip and hold the 55 MPH without any problems.

Nearly 67mpg is outstanding!

I'm starting to get embarrassed since this week's trip so far is only 71.6mpg in a considerably smaller car. :o

A few days ago, someone commented on the big difference in fuel consumption if all American vehicles got 5mpg better....just holding a steady cruise would do that. ;)

Way to go Tiger. I'm telling you, I think we are going to have a lot of very happy HCH II members on our hands as summer progresses. If the HCH consistently delivers near or above EPA estimates it will help combat the hybrid naysayers.

Mr. Honaker should have said, that this was to see what the HCH II would do for FE without any {Assistance-At-All} from the {Driver}. Test was to see how the Hybrid does on it's (Own) without any (Additional-Help). If the HCH II would get "Above" the EPA Rating with {No-Help}, then can you just Imagine what the HCH II could get with all the (Hypermiling Technique's) that xcel and others here at www.CleanMPG.com (http://www.cleanmpg.com/)do. Blushing, Sorry I did not make this alot "Clearer".:o

This is a Scanned copy of the Gas Receipt for the, 4.069 Gallons of Gas:
Click on Pic to Enlarge:
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/500/thumbs/3RD_Gas_Receipt_for_Trip_to_Ky_4_16_2006_3RD_Pic.jpg (http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/342/cat/500/ppuser/5)
Picture One is of the Fuel Gauge Reading before I refilled Gas-Tank:
Click on Pic to Enlarge:
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/500/thumbs/fuel_reading_correct_position_4_17_2006.jpg (http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/335/cat/500/ppuser/5)
It looked like to me that there was 3-Squares down from Full.
As you can see, one could certainly drive a, Very-Very Long Way
based on the Amount of Fuel (Used) and the Amount of Fuel (Left)
in Tank.

Picture Two is of the, Odometer Reading of the, Miles-Driven
and the MPG that the Computer Figured:
I also took the time to, Calculate the, Exact MPG Based on the Gallons
to Refill the Tank. See: Below
Click on Pic to Enlarge:
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/500/thumbs/odometer_reading_4_16_2006.jpg (http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/336/cat/500/ppuser/5)

The actual MPG figure is: 66.7 MPG

This is Based on the Amount of Gallons (4.069) to Refill the Tank.
The Miles Driven: 271.4
That gives us the above MPG Figure of: 66.7 MPG

As many of us already know. The on board computer is somewhere between 2-3 mpg short of the actual mpg that the Hybrid gets.

I think what is really interesting about this example here is that it was done in the following manner. I set the
(Cruise Control) on 55 MPH and "Never" did anything else to achieve higher MPG. Not (Anything) at all. The car did it all from "Start to Finish".
The only exception to this, is I did not turn on the A/C System. It was not Hot so I did not use it. I set the temperature where I wanted it and the car took care of the rest. The fan speed varied as it warmed up but it was never uncomfortable.
I did nothing else but sit back and listen to the X/M Satellite Radio. One more thing.
I Never-Stopped, to take a break or the usual Bathroom thing. I drank nothing and did not eat until I got to my destination in Ky. I say this only to be Honest and not Mislead anyone.
The HCH II far exceeds the EPA estimate on Hwy. Mileage. I personally wanted to see for myself what the Hybrid could do on it's own and I have to tell you that this car will get it done and you as the Pilot have to do nothing but point it in the right direction. In my case I told the Navagation the Address and from there on the car took care of everything.

Remember that the MPG of 66.7 was done with No-Assistance from the Driver.
Just try to imagine what this HCH II could do with all the (Hypermiling-Technique's) that the Members here like, Xcel (Wayne), Tbaleno,(Tom), Krousdb, Ericbecky and the other members here know how to do. If I am not, just way off, it looks like to me that the HCH II is in the, Ball-Park of the Insight. Don't PANIC Insight owners I am just pointing out that for this car to be a sedan and not a Light-Weight it is really quite impressive. (IMHO) of Course.

Yes, I realize the Insight is still, The-King. ;)

Note* For those reading this: Starting-Mileage on this Hybrid was, 584-Miles an still has the Break-In Oil in the Engine. No Mobil 1 0-20 Synthetic; (YET).This was done from a starting point in Franklin, Tn. to the small town of Sadieville, Ky. The trip from my house to Ky. is some Flat Areas. But mainly it is driving Up-Hill from Tn. Also you are climbing Up-Hills and then the car is holding the set speed of 55 MPH so you do not get the Benefit of Coasting with the ICE-OFF. I say this to let everyone know that where I live and traveled to is not the best for increased FE. Way to many hills being climbed and None of the Benefite of the Hypermiling Technique's that would let the car gain back those lost MPG while ICE is Working-Overtime to Climb those hills one after another. If I chose to get back the Lost MPG in FE from Climbing those Hills, I think the FE would be in the (70's). The reason I say this is because in the beginning of the trip I was on more Flat-Ground and the computer had a read out of (72-73 MPG) and don't forget that the Computer is short by "2-3 MPG". The MPG for the 1st 116 Miles had a reading of (72-73 MPG) and now add to that The (Lost 2-3 MPG) and you would be somewhere in the Ball Park of, (74-76 MPG). I am adding these comments for those that live in the States & or Countries that are Flatter in Nature than where I live and was driving to in my trip. Keep in mind once again that I did not choose to {Help} out the Hybrid's FE by doing at the (Bare Minimum the FAS) {Forced Auto-Stop). So I did not recover Lost MPG on the Climbing of the Many-Many Hills with the Gaining of that back on the Down-Side of the Hills with using the (FAS Technique). For those living and driving in the much "Flatter Areas" your FE would be more I think in the
(74-76 MPG Range at a Speed of 55 MPH).

Good-Luck all on your FE, it's certainly there if (You-Want-It). :D


For the Un-Belivers that these {Hybrids-Do-Not-Perform} I say, "HUM-BUG" on Them.

Thanks for sharing the great news. Congrats!!!:woot:

Thanks for sharing the great news. Congrats!!!:woot:

Hi Bear15,

Glad you saw and read the little trip I made when my HCH II was New. This Hybrid is very nice to drive at even speeds of say 70-80 MPH if one is in a Hurry. It will still deliver like 38-40 MPG.

Take-Care and again Congrats: :flag:

Terry (tiger)

My tank is at 54.5* and rising. It looks very small now :p

* trip computer consistently reads 2% lower than actual.

My tank is at 54.5* and rising. It looks very small now :p

* trip computer consistently reads 2% lower than actual.

Sledge,

54.5 and Rising, Very Good: :Banane40:

Terry (tiger)

BTW, Sledge I have not seen a MPG Figure like that in a Very Long Time: I mean on my HCH II:

BTW, Sledge I have not seen a MPG Figure like that in a Very Long Time: I mean on my HCH II:

Yeah, that's because you're probably always higher than me :D

Yeah, that's because you're probably always higher than me :D

Sledge your like so Very-Funny: :Banane52:

I-WISH:

Terry (tiger)