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tarabell
07-11-2007, 02:15 PM
Democratic and Republican presidential contenders seem to have taken note of voters' discontent. (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/06/fa.critical.mass/index.html)
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Manav Tanneeru – CNN.com – July 9, 2007

(CNN) -- In late June, the U.S. Senate passed an energy bill that would raise gas mileage standards for the first time in 20 years and fund research on alternative energy sources. The bill's proponents call it a breakthrough in the nation's energy debate, saying the focus is shifting from reliance on fossil fuels and foreign oil toward renewable fuels and green technology.

The measure comes amid another summer of high gas prices, state and local conservation efforts and a presidential campaign where voters and candidates say the issue is key.
So is a critical mass building among Americans and legislators for changes in U.S. energy policy? Or are these efforts simply blips on the radar as Americans continue to drive SUVs and Hummers?

A recent analysis by the Gallup Poll showed energy as Americans' fourth most-important priority for Washington, below Iraq, terrorism and national security, and the economy. The analysis also showed Americans prefer energy conservation over more production, and that a large majority also favors tightening emissions standards and developing alternative sources of energy.

When asked to rate the importance of issues in voting for a presidential candidate next year, 43 percent of Americans said gas prices would be "extremely important," according to a May poll by Opinion Research Corporation. The percentage was tied with health care and below Iraq, terrorism and education.

Democratic and Republican presidential contenders seem to have taken note of voters' discontent. "It's a national security issue. It's a health care issue," Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd, a Democrat, said during a CNN presidential debate in New Hampshire in June. He touted a plan that would require a standard of 50 miles per gallon for automobiles by 2017.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a Democrat, touted an "Apollo program" -- referring to the 1960s effort that put men on the moon -- that would reduce dependence on foreign oil by more than half and reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 80 percent.

During the Republican presidential debate in New Hampshire two days later, many candidates said much the same thing. Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a Republican, also called for an "Apollo program" and said reducing foreign dependence on oil was intrinsically tied to national security. "It's frustrating and really dangerous for us to see money going to our enemies because we have to buy oil from certain countries," he said. "We should be supporting all the alternatives."

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, a Republican, said oil companies ought to play a part in rebuilding old infrastructure, which would increase efficiency and possibly reduce costs. "Big oil is making a lot of money right now, and I'd like to see them using that money to invest in refineries," Romney said. "Don't forget that when companies earn profit, that money's supposed to be reinvested in growth and our refineries are old."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/06/fa.critical.mass/index.html

johnf514
07-11-2007, 02:49 PM
"As an SUV driver, telling me that my only alternative is a Toyota Prius or a Honda Civic is like telling me to eat beef jerky when I'm used to filet mignon."

Ugh. :(

Earthling
07-11-2007, 03:57 PM
I've told any Republican who would listen that ignoring the world situation caused by our overdependence on foreign oil is insanity. I think even the Republicans are starting to realize that.

Harry

GrendelKhan
07-11-2007, 05:18 PM
Ok Earthling and others, we'll play good cop/bad cop with them. You be the good cop, I'll be the bad cop. You be the reasonable sensible person, I'm going for the fear...

Trying to convince people of the truth is a hard slog, so I'm taking a break. For the near future, my goal is to crush their spirits - my current propaganda is:
"Oh, it's too late. I don't know why I bought that hybrid. I should have just bought a truck. No-one cares, no-one's trying to fix anything. When China and India get going, gas will cost 3,4,5 times what it costs now... And from what I've read about recent global warming models... We're fu**ed..."

Sometimes there's a whimper of "What about hydrogen/nuclear/plug-ins?" But I stomp on it, "Pfft... Where you gonna get the hydrogen from?/It'll be 5 years before they even change the laws to even begin to allow construction on nuclear.../Even Toyota is backing away from plug-ins, and the big3 are going bankrupt... It's over, it's too late."

The expressions on their faces are priceless... Think I might make some voters swing?

If I could only bottle that...

-No more Mr Nice Guy

Fenrir
07-11-2007, 06:13 PM
You know Grendel, that is actually a great idea. You can sell anything with fear. Our government sold the public an unending war with it. Cheney sold a lot of duct tape with it. Fear hits right at the reptilian brain, bypassing the need for logical arguments that too many people refuse to accept, or just don't understand.

mparrish
07-11-2007, 08:05 PM
"As an SUV driver, telling me that my only alternative is a Toyota Prius or a Honda Civic is like telling me to eat beef jerky when I'm used to filet mignon."

Ugh. :(

More appropriate would be:

"As an SUV driver, telling me that my only alternative is a Toyota Prius or a Honda Civic is like telling me to eat one helping of fillet mignon when I'm used to four helpings of chocolate cake."

xcel
07-11-2007, 09:22 PM
Hi All:

___Hey SUV driver, take a chunk of that Filet Mignon and choke on it like the rest of us are you (#_+!(% B#(*h.

___Good Luck

___Wayne

ILAveo
07-11-2007, 09:48 PM
"As an SUV driver, telling me that my only alternative is a Toyota Prius or a Honda Civic is like telling me to eat beef jerky when I'm used to filet mignon."

Ugh. :(

Actually, it is a metaphor I can live with. Good beef jerky made by the right butcher (Toyota Prius?) is way better IMHO than filet mignon. Beef jerky poorly made by the wrong butcher (GM BAS?), well, filet mignon is better. Maybe this guy could have his steak and eat it too with the FEH.

GrendelKhan
07-11-2007, 10:12 PM
"As an SUV driver, telling me that my only alternative is a Toyota Prius or a Honda Civic is like telling me to eat beef jerky when I'm used to filet mignon."

Is it just me, or does this sound like the kind of person who puts ketchup on filet mignon?
________________

But seriously. Fret not, SUV driver, there IS an alternative to Civics and Prii. Sending kids to die in the Middle East, to protect our access to oil, IS still an option. Killing the planet, and destroying our children's future, just so that we can drive these land barges, IS still a choice that you can make. Drive on, brother! And pay no attention to all the money that you're pissing away.

Take comfort in the knowledge that people have died to protect your freedom... to drive a vehicle that's way too big for you, but whatever... And that while our children will live poorer lives, they will admire you for your... hold on, that doesn't make sense...

"Waiter, this steak doesn't taste as good as it used to..."

-Gren

GrendelKhan
07-11-2007, 10:24 PM
Ah, who am I to talk... I'm NEARLY as much the problem, as he is...

Still, what a whiny brat...

-Gren

hobbit
07-11-2007, 11:03 PM
Besides, beef jerky is very efficient, and can be pretty
tasty sometimes!
.
_H*

laurieaw
07-12-2007, 07:58 AM
Is it just me, or does this sound like the kind of person who puts ketchup on filet mignon?
________________

But seriously. Fret not, SUV driver, there IS an alternative to Civics and Prii. Sending kids to die in the Middle East, to protect our access to oil, IS still an option. Killing the planet, and destroying our children's future, just so that we can drive these land barges, IS still a choice that you can make. Drive on, brother! And pay no attention to all the money that you're pissing away.

Take comfort in the knowledge that people have died to protect your freedom... to drive a vehicle that's way too big for you, but whatever... And that while our children will live poorer lives, they will admire you for your... hold on, that doesn't make sense...

"Waiter, this steak doesn't taste as good as it used to..."

-Gren

AMEN :(



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