View Full Version : CODA Electric Car
01-28-2012, 12:40 PM
I put down a $99 deposit/reservation on a CODA a few months back. They are actually demoing them so I figure it has decent odds of not being just vaporware. The appeal of this one is fatter battery pack (36kwh, allegedly a 150 mi range, which is probably really 120 miles if you don't want to stress the battery or maybe 100 if you drive highway...anyway) at a Leaf comparable price point.
So I get a call from a CODA rep. They have a second battery option of 31kwh for $2700ish dollars cheaper. She said that would deliver in the spring, and the 36kwh option in the fall. I declined the smaller battery and she said nearly all of her customers were doing the same.
Found this press release.
I figure they are either having problems with the larger battery pack, or maybe they have more bodies than batteries and are trying to maximize sales. Either way, I don't think they understand marketing very well. Why get something more or less like a Leaf (but uglier, IMO) for a little less, but from a company that has never built a car before and that could vanish in 2 years if they do badly?
I think CODAs are going to be a real car, and they will start showing up soon in the small battery form and 6 months later in the real form.
01-28-2012, 12:43 PM
One more thing. When I put down my deposit, my Citi card treated it like a cash advance because they said it had gone to a financial institution and charged me an extra $10 fee. I complained about this to the CODA rep and she said it was the first she had heard of it and they would look into this. Maybe it is only a ****ibank thing. Caveat emptor.
01-28-2012, 12:58 PM
Looks like a nice design. Very expensive but I suppose the prices will drop with more orders. I believe we are coming to a end of cheap transportation! Cars like that will probably last for years, so probably worth the out-lay? H
I think they offered the smaller battery to lower the price.. at just under $40k it is the same as a stripped Volt, a loaded PIP, and $2k above a loaded Leaf.. once you take all the tax credits offered it comes in line with the rest of the cars in the market ($30k). Its a car offered for working people with enough tax liabilities to benefit.. a Reagan style tax cut to stimulate the economy :)
02-02-2012, 10:18 PM
Yeah, kind of pricey but comparable to a Leaf and has the 150 mile range. That is what has me. Operating costs ARE lower. Of course electricity is much cheaper than fossil per mile and the internal systems have a lot fewer moving parts. Electric motors tend to be very reliable.
According to this consumer reports article (http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2011/12/leaf-volt-tests-show-electric-cars-cost-less-per-mile-to-operate.html), a Leaf is about 8 cents/mile cheaper than a comparable Corolla. Over 100,000 miles that is another $8000 off the effective sticker price. Even with the tax break, you are coming in about $10k more than a Corolla, but your carbon footprint is going to be about 1/3.
They will get cheaper, but I bet they will always be pricier than internal combustion.
I REALLY would like a Tesla S (http://www.teslamotors.com/models/options). (drool). No way I can afford that though. The 150 mile version is 50k after the federal tax credit. Another $10K for each 150 mile range on top of that. On the other hand if you want a 450 mile range vehicle (comparable to IC) that is your only option. Pay to play, baby!
Plus you get the priced HOV sticker, with proven resale value.. and if the stuff hits the fan this summer you may be only guy driving around without having to worry about $7 a gallon fuel.
02-08-2012, 12:16 AM
Hits the fan as in Israel bombs Iran, or Iran says they are going to try to close the Strait of Hormuz anyway?
Well, I will have to wait until fall for my 36kWh version according to my CODA "guru" (sales rep), but I am driving bio-diesel anyway. Last time prices skyed a bit, bio diesel moved, but not nearly as much. I suppose at some point if it is a LOT cheaper than fossil-D it will go up.
As an aside, I just heard from Zero Motorcycles which now has a 9kWh bike (http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-s/specs.php) to go up against Brammo's 10kWh Empulse. (http://www.brammo.com/empulse_specifications/). The are both priced the same too. The Zero bike even uses regen braking (have not heard back from Brammo on this yet.) The fuel efficiencies make me drooooooool. I so want one, but both my mom and my friend pointed out that my son would kinda be left in the lurch if something happened to me. . . and then a few weeks later the wife of the guy across the cube aisle who was really encouraging me to get a motorcycle was hurt badly in an accident. I figure I won't, but that ~300 MPGe looks SOOOOO tempting, and then you combine that with the short charge time, and MAN, I WANT IT. Ah well.
Maybe when my boy is out of college
One advantage of the Coda is that it uses LiFePO4 batteries, you can charge those to 100% without issues, unlike the Leaf.
02-14-2012, 12:12 AM
Following up on the Citicard stink, my CODA sales person said this also happened to someone else who made the mistake of using a Citi card. She writes:
Apparently Citibank did it another time for another customer of us, treating the $99 payment as a cash advance and charging $10.55.
Please make sure you ask for your money back, harassing them if needed. . . We tried to call them without any success and apparently the mistake comes from them and not from us. The system is correctly settled and it should not be considered as a cash advance never.
The takeaway here is Citibank sucks.
03-07-2012, 10:11 PM
Was notified today of a CODA dealership opening up in Santa Clara (one of the many Silicon Valley towns. Adjacent to San Jose, further from SF).
Apparently I will be able to book a test drive shortly. It was reconfirmed that the 150mi range version ships in the second half of year. I am looking forward to seeing what the dashboard offers in terms of GPS, finding charging stations en route, etc.
did the cost drop again?.. to $37,250, well below $30k once you take all the credits
The CODA economy numbers are out
88 mile range
46kWh per 100 miles
$850 annual fuel cost
03-10-2012, 01:12 AM
I got to test drive one today! The rep was in Palo Alto at the Stanford mall where they are setting up some sort of sustainability store, so he brought it by my house on the way back to the dealership. Now THAT is service. :)
He mentioned the new MPGe numbers and did not understand them either, but he claimed the range was as advertised. The DOE MPGe numbers are disappointing, as is the estimated range. Now if it is something like bad bearings or some other mechanical inefficiency in the power train, one would expect to see the range go down too. Well, the longer range battery packs are not available yet anyway, these are 125 (88?) milers, so I will see how this all shakes out in the next few months. He also said that they are currently delivering the 125 mile ones, so time to look for them on the streets.
It was a good drive, just like a regular car. Comfortable, more comfortable than my 11 year old TDI Jetta. The trunk is a tad on the small size compared to my Jetta, but the back seats do fold down. It is big enough for my purposes.
I only had time to take around the neighborhood for 15-20 minutes. I want to take it on the highway. The Santa Clara dealership is on Stevens Creek not too far from I-280, so one afternoon when I am down that way I will stop by.
Apparently I was driving the first production model off the line that was not sacrificed to crash tests. I feel honored and excited.
I was expecting a higher range and I am a bit disapointed.. the MPGe numbers dont bother me since those include charger vampire loads and so on.. the characteristics of the motor and inverter might not have been optimized for the EPA cycles, perhaps it was optimized for higher hwy speeds as a guess.
My wife received this email yesterday:
Key details as they stand right now are:
· Vehicle handover on Friday, March 16 at 10am at the CODA Experience Center in Century City. Attendees to include CODA of Los Angeles (company owner yaddah), (someone) from the Experience Center, a member of CODA management and, of course, you! (We will arrange to meet about 30-45 minutes before the ceremony at the Experience Center)
· The event will be over by 11am
· Your car is black with leather
Now we still have to get a charger. And our permit is almost complete on our new solar panels. I'm pretty stoked. Didn't expect our Coda to arrive that quickly, tbh. :woot:
Right Lane Cruiser
03-10-2012, 11:07 AM
Pictures!!! We need lots of pictures when you receive this vehicle! :D
The first CODA, its a historic event!
03-11-2012, 10:59 PM
I posted some pics from my test drive (http://www.flickr.com/photos/orieri/sets/72157629556028995/) to flickr.
Right Lane Cruiser
03-11-2012, 11:47 PM
That looks better than I expected -- very nice!
Looks very nice in black... under the hood it looks like a rat's nest.. electrics are supposed to be simple!
03-12-2012, 08:53 AM
Initial delivery of first CODAs in the bay area covered on the local segment of NPR news this morning. I was also surprised about the stuff under the hood. I guess they have to put transformers and such someplace. I also have no idea where the battery pack is physically located. Maybe it is under there too.
Right Lane Cruiser
03-12-2012, 09:07 AM
If I'm not mistaken the battery is under the floor of the car (and the trunk).
Day two, neither one of us wants to drive the hemi. The power delivery feel on this beast is like the best from BMW but no sound(and not quite the power of course, but still extrememely satisfying. After a half day of errands this yesterday, woke up this morning, the gauge read 77 miles on it(Leaf territory). Though I drive the dang thing like my magnum-- lead foot forward. But no longer with the petro angst!
And it is #2 out of the first batch of 500;)
03-18-2012, 05:13 PM
What was the charge percentage both before and after your errands and how many miles did you put on? I am curious how your range stacks up against the somewhat disappointing EPA predictions. (77 city, I believe).
The pics are nice. I wonder if #1 is the car I test drove a week earlier?
Congratulations, I believe the first one went to a Coda executive.. so what range are you getting :)
Very spiffy looking!
07-17-2012, 04:43 PM
I heard from the dealer a week or two ago. They again offered me a 125mi (31kwh) version and let me know the 150mi version (36kwh, I think) now won't be shipping until March of next year. I asked if they understood the low DOE efficiency rating. The sales rep said it had to do with the battery active thermal management system and that it was tested in summer in the DC area so it took a lot power just to cool the battery as it charged. That may be true . . . but 25%? Possible, I suppose but it seems like a lot. Makes me wonder if the thermal system can be turned off except for maybe an hour after and while using the car. Li Iron Phosphate batteries are supposed to be more resistant to thermal stressing in terms of battery life.
I forgot to ask the dealer what kind of distances they are getting out of their CODAs. That is what I really care about. If they are still getting well over 100miles with the 31kwh during normal use, I am happy. If that 77MPGe translates into significantly reduced range then I am going to reconsider and maybe get a plug-in hybrid or something.
How much power it takes to keep the battery cool depends on how well insulated it is, supposedly the Volt uses 200Wh for that. You should not see much expense in California, its a moderate climate. On the other hand 31 Leaf owners have premature capacity loss, most of them in Phoenix.
UQM writes off Coda, piling on doubts of Coda's survival
UQM makes motors and inverters, a highly respected company in this field
02-04-2013, 09:37 AM
Thanks for the link, Herm. Looks like it could be waiting quite a while for that larger battery pack version of the CODA Friend recently said she saw one on the road somewhere. Probably should kiss my $99 deposit goodbye also. Darn it all! Oh well, maybe I'll get a Rav4.
02-04-2013, 12:27 PM
A somewhat more detailed article focussed on CODA. Also Equally disturbing.
To me, I thought their big discriminator against vehicles like the was the longer range battery. A nominal 150 miles. I was mystified when they chose to delay that offering, and reading between the lines of the article below, it looks to me like decisions such as that are made in a void by a very few without listening to consumer or employee opinions.
It is disheartening. Considering they originally were promising delivery of my longer range car early last year, shifted to fall of last year and I have heard nothing from them in months, I think it is time for me to ask for my $99 deposit back. I'll let you know how that goes.
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