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xcel
04-13-2007, 09:15 AM
“You need to decide whether you'll make the extra cost back in gas savings over the next few years.” (http://www.ajc.com/living/content/living/stories/2007/04/11/0414sbeclark.html)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/Prius_II.jpgClark Howard - Atlanta Journal-Constitution - April 11, 2007

With gasoline prices hovering at or around $3 a gallon and no relief in sight, a hybrid is a better deal then you may have thought previously.

If you're thinking about buying a new car and are dreaming of ways you can help the environment at the same time, here's a tip for you: Hybrid cars are one of the best deals in the industry right now.

A hybrid vehicle has both an internal combustion engine that runs on gasoline and an electric motor that recycles energy that's usually

For the first time, we're starting to see ads for Toyota Prius hybrids with prices listed. This is a huge departure from the past, when the ads only said, "We have them available!" That was when the company couldn't make them fast enough to meet demand and getting a Prius involved ordering one and waiting for it to roll off the production line. But now, with more of them coming onto the market, dealers are getting a bit more competitive.

There are also more hybrids to choose from. Along with Toyota's Prius and Camry hybrids, there's the Highlander hybrid; the Lexus sport utility hybrid; Saturn and Nissan hybrids; a Ford Escape hybrid; and Honda Civic and Accord hybrids. As the number of models continues to grow, prices are moving down as much as $4,000 off last year's peak prices. Carsdirect.com is now quoting discounts below the manufacturers' suggested retail prices.

Hybrids are a good buy now because the demand for them has slacked off. There's a certain percentage of people who are into new technology and the environment, and they've already gotten their hybrid cars. The market has moved on, and it now has to attract ordinary car buyers.

But what stands between many buyers and a hybrid is, in most cases, the money. I had a question about this just last week. A listener of my radio show was trying to decide if it was worth spending an extra $5,500 to get a hybrid instead of a standard car. So let's do the math.

Look at the hybrid you're interested in and see how many miles per gallon it gets. Let's say it gets 40 mpg, and you drive about 15,000 miles a year. Take the 15,000 miles and divide by 40 to see that you're using 375 gallons. If gas costs $2.50, you'll spend $937.50 a year on gas with the hybrid.

Now let's say you're also looking at a gas-engine car that gets 20 miles per gallon. Driving 15,000 miles a year, you'll put 750 gallons in the tank. At $2.50 a gallon, you'll spend $1,875 on gas.

Compare the gas savings and see how they measure up against the price difference. Also, figure in how many years you're likely to keep the car. Right now, people do have a good chance of making up the price difference, since it's likely that gas prices will trend higher and higher. So there is a point at which the extra cost for a hybrid is worth it. You need to decide whether you'll make the extra cost back in gas savings over the next few years.

Another factor that may sway you is that you can get a temporary tax break for buying a hybrid. The amount you actually save depends on the vehicle you buy. It can be as high as $3,000 or as low as $250, depending on the make and model. To see the list, go to www.irs.gov and type in the search area: "hybrid tax credit."

Because hybrid vehicles cost more than vehicles with equivalent gas engines, they are harder to sell. But that price gap is slowly shrinking. And if gasoline prices go up significantly, buyers will clamor for the hybrids again. So right now, there's a sweet spot in the market for anyone considering the purchase.

c0da
04-13-2007, 03:14 PM
This will become more valid when cars like the prius III come out with the ability to go almost 100mpg.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_10/b4024075.htm?chan=autos_autos+index+page_news

While widely expected, some had wondered whether Toyota's li-ions would be available in time for its new hybrid system. Watanabe, who occasionally visits the site where the batteries are being developed, has no doubts: "We can develop the battery in time," he says.

It's not just the batteries that will be better. The rest of Toyota's next-generation hybrid systems will also be a big step up from what's on the road today. "We are now aiming at reducing, by half, both size and cost of the third-generation hybrid system," saysWatanabe. That should go some way to bringing the price of hybrids closer to regular gasoline cars.

TonyPSchaefer
04-13-2007, 11:38 PM
This will become more valid when cars like the prius III come out with the ability to go almost 100mpg.I doubt it. Hybrids are just a fad, a stop-gap technology. Soon enough they'll be put away and forgotten, like the internet. :D

Pravus Prime
04-14-2007, 04:21 AM
LOL, gee, seems like I've heard that before? Maybe I said it several times?

Nah, that can't be it.

tigerhonaker
04-14-2007, 09:37 AM
:D Go=Hybrid, :Banane29: The only way to go and you do not have to drive like a Snail to still get Very-High -FE (Fuel-Economy) IMO.

As we all know here on www.CleanMPG.com (http://www.CleanMPG.com) the slower one drivers, the easier one takes off from a Stop, the Better your FE/MPG will be with your Hybrid:
Hybrids deliver in all ways. They are State-of-the-Art: :flag:

Terry (tiger)

Chuck
04-14-2007, 11:23 AM
On July 6, I'm going to make a speech in downtown Lewisville promoting hybrids.

Figure if I broke even in 4-5 years, people buying in 2007 in my situation could do it in about half that time. BTW, I bought too early for a tax credit.

basjoos
04-14-2007, 11:40 AM
:D Go=Hybrid, :Banane29: The only way to go and you do not have to drive like a Snail to still get Very-High -FE (Fuel-Economy) IMO.

As we all know here on www.CleanMPG.com (http://www.CleanMPG.com) the slower one drivers, the easier one takes off from a Stop, the Better your FE/MPG will be with your Hybrid:
Hybrids deliver in all ways. They are State-of-the-Art: :flag:

Terry (tiger)

I don't have a hybrid and still get very high fuel economy at un-snail-like speeds (66MPG at 75MPH). The $210 I put into aero drag reduction mods for my 92 Civic paid for themselves a long time ago. Even driving around town using the driving techniques discussed on this site, I am getting mileage in the low 60's.

xcel
04-14-2007, 11:50 AM
Hi Terry:

___I have to counter the speed thing as well. Per the SG-II, the Accord averaged 61 mph from driveway to work parking lot yesterday morning. Result, 44.1 and that is 1 - 2 mpg shy of actual. I was pulling out the stops but as long as speeds can be held under 70, you can get a lot out of any car depending on how much you want it.

___What this lady doesn’t know is the difference. CR pulled just 26 from both the HCH-I and II in their city test. The 7th gen Accord w/ Auto pulled an incredible 16. We both have seen > 100 in your HCH-II at a LS P&G pace just as I have seen almost 70 from the Accord at a little faster clip. She just doesn’t know the capability or the wide range let alone probably driving very short trips taking away many of the hybrids advantages?

___Good Luck

___Wayne



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