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tarabell
04-04-2007, 12:43 PM
Drivers Shrug as Gasoline Prices Soar ( http://www.goupstate.com/article/20070330/ZNYT01/703300319/1051/news01)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/3_199_gas_prices.jpg Clifford Krauss – Goupstate.com – March 30, 2007

HOUSTON, March 29 — Prices at the pump are rising again, much as they do every spring as oil traders bid up the price of crude ahead of possible summer shortages. Possibilities for more conflict in Iran and elsewhere in the Middle East are adding to the surge.

But there is something new this time, energy experts say, in how drivers are reacting — or, more accurately, not reacting, even as the price of gas has climbed over the last two months to a national average of more than $2.60 a gallon. It has topped $3 a gallon in many parts of the country, particularly along the Pacific Coast.

In the late 1970s, OPEC oil shocks and gas lines persuaded most Americans to sacrifice some of their pleasure trips and drives to the mall, ease up on the gas pedal, and switch to the bus or train.

But as Americans enter the sixth year of rising oil and gasoline prices, their shift in driving habits this time has been much less extensive. What’s more, in recent weeks, gas consumption has gone up, not down, and drivers are changing their daily driving habits only slightly.

“I don’t think about gas prices at all,” said Michael Machat, 48, a lawyer in West Los Angeles, where gasoline prices are among the highest in the country. As he filled up his BMW with super unleaded at $3.39 this week, he added, “I guess maybe if it was $10 a gallon, I’d think about it.”

A recent study that Christopher Knittel, an economics professor at the University of California, Davis, helped write showed that every time from November 1975 to November 1980 that gasoline prices went up 20 percent, consumers changed their driving behavior by cutting gas consumption by 6 percent per capita nationwide.

But from March 2001 to March 2006, drivers reduced consumption just 1 percent when prices rose 20 percent. Prices swung up and down seasonally during both periods, but Mr. Knittel said the two periods were comparable because regular gasoline prices increased in both periods by about 66 percent, to $2.50 from $1.50 in real terms, set at 2000 dollars.

While more and more consumers around the country are buying smaller, more-efficient cars and fewer S.U.V.s, that trend is unfolding a lot more slowly these days than 30 years ago. It was a very different era back then, when Congress was willing to enact tougher gasoline standards and when President Jimmy Carter called on the country “to live thriftily” and “find ways to adjust and to make our society more efficient.”

“One would think that with prices up over the last few years, people would drive less, but that’s not the case,” said Aaron Brady, an expert on gasoline refining and consumption at Cambridge Energy Research Associates, a consulting firm. “Demand is up over the last year.”

The Department of Energy reported on Wednesday that gasoline demand for transportation over the last four weeks averaged 9.2 million barrels a day, or 1.6 percent higher than in the corresponding time last year, when prices were a bit lower. The rising use by consumers and businesses is putting further pressure on prices. On top of that, United States commercial crude oil inventories fell by 0.9 million barrels in the week ended March 23, compared with the previous week. Spring is also the season when refineries retool, producing slightly less gasoline.

Economists say the increasing demand for gasoline and the muted reaction among drivers are related to many factors, all having enormous policy implications as the Bush administration and Congress try to find ways to stem climate change and oil imports, which now supply about 60 percent of American needs.

Experts note that commuters are driving longer distances to work because of suburban sprawl, that improvements in mass transit have fallen behind over the years and that driving to malls and ferrying children around has become part of the American lifestyle. Some suggest that with more dual-income families, high gas prices mean less to many families than they once did, and credit cards have eased the immediate pain at the pump.
“Our preferences have changed over the years and we are much more willing to continue our driving habits in the face of price increases,” said Mr. Knittel, who is studying driver response to gas price increases. “Unlike the 1970s when people did drive less, data shows people now are not taking the extra step to conserve.”

Interviews with drivers around the country show they are less than alarmed by the new run-up in prices, even if they are not happy about it. And they still suspect Big Oil is fleecing them. Not surprisingly, higher-income drivers are particularly unruffled, but middle-income drivers also seem fairly tranquil.

Veronica Burgos, a 39-year-old bookkeeper, says she is not about to give up her aging gas-guzzling navy blue Ford Explorer to commute to work and shuttle her children around, even though gasoline prices in the Los Angeles area where she lives are now “ridiculous.”

“With this S.U.V., you really feel it, but I have two kids so I need it,” she said. “In reality my husband would probably rather that I don’t drive the S.U.V. so much, but I still do and I drive quite a bit. With work and two kids and all their activities, especially on the weekend, we’re more comfortable in the S.U.V. So what are you going to do?”

Across the country prices of gasoline have been shooting up for the last two months, with AAA reporting that the average retail price for regular unleaded is $2.62 a gallon, the highest since last September and 12 cents higher than a year ago. A month ago, the average was $2.37.

With crude oil prices rising in recent days because of Iran’s detention of British military personnel last week, some experts say retail gasoline prices may go up another 10 or 15 cents in the next couple of weeks before settling down. Oil closed up $1.95 at $66.03 a barrel on Thursday.

“The market rally in gasoline is like the Oscars,” said Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst at Oil Price Information Service, a trade publication. “It gets moved up every year.”

The immediate cause for the rise in gas prices is the annual slowdown in March at the refineries, as they switch from winter to summer oil blends. But this year, that has been accentuated by refinery accidents, escalating tensions over Iran and more speculation by traders.

“The prices for unleaded gasoline are way overblown for this time of year,” said Michael Rose, director of the energy trading desk at Angus Jackson in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. “The traders are just going along with a theory that we are going to have a gasoline shortage in the summer.”

Most experts expect prices to ease in April, as refineries resume full operation, before rising again during the summer driving season. But many are wondering why the demand for gasoline is going up in March, a month not usually known for heavy driving.

“Is it because the economy is stronger or because people are going back to their old driving habits?” wondered Charles T. Drevna of the National Petrochemical and Refiners Association.

There had been signs that the high price of oil was beginning to have an impact on consumption. The International Energy Agency reported that oil consumption in its 30 member countries, including the United States, declined 0.6 percent last year, the first drop in more than two decades. Sales of sport utility vehicles peaked in 2002, and have fallen since; sales of small cars rose 5.3 percent last year.

But in research for a new study, Mr. Knittel said he found little change in the average fuel efficiencies of vehicles driven by motorists over the last five years. “Our preliminary analysis is showing vehicle choice is less sensitive to gas prices today than compared with the 1970s,” he said. “We might be buying fewer S.U.V.s, but a lot of the shifting is to cars that are not appreciably more fuel-efficient, such as minivans.”

Chuck
04-04-2007, 12:52 PM
I think the threshold is higher...to maybe $3.50 - that's all.

JimboK
04-04-2007, 02:28 PM
I think the threshold is higher...to maybe $3.50 - that's all.
I think it's a moving target. You may be right about $3.50; we haven't seen that yet, not in these parts anyway. $3 seemed to be the threshold before we saw that. Now we can handle that. Let it hang around $3.50 for awhile, let folks get adjusted to it (no matter how much they have to pilfer other household budget line items), and then $4 will be it.

tarabell
04-04-2007, 02:40 PM
I think it's a moving target. You may be right about $3.50; we haven't seen that yet, not in these parts anyway. $3 seemed to be the threshold before we saw that. Now we can handle that. Let it hang around $3.50 for awhile, let folks get adjusted to it (no matter how much they have to pilfer other household budget line items), and then $4 will be it.

Slow-boiled frogs

BailOut
04-04-2007, 02:46 PM
I honestly don't think we'll see any large-scale changes in what people drive until gasoline is over $20/gallon and is only available for 2 days per month in your city with a maximum of 4 gallons per transaction.

Then again, maybe living in one of the highest per-capita SUV/Truck/Crossover areas of the U.S. just makes me cynical sometimes.

TonyPSchaefer
04-04-2007, 05:09 PM
I agree with everyone. How predictable.
The year is still young. We're on target for a repeat of last year.

http://66.70.86.64/test.gaschart?Country=Canada&Crude=f&Period=24&Areas=USA%20Average,,&Unit=US%20$/G

brick
04-04-2007, 06:20 PM
“With this S.U.V., you really feel it, but I have two kids so I need it,” she said. “In reality my husband would probably rather that I don’t drive the S.U.V. so much, but I still do and I drive quite a bit. With work and two kids and all their activities, especially on the weekend, we’re more comfortable in the S.U.V. So what are you going to do?”


Well, I have a couple of ideas. Most of them involve a few test drives, maybe a re-evaluation of needs vs. wants. Although two kids do take up **a lot** of space. Like two whole seats!

cfors
04-04-2007, 09:25 PM
Well, I have a couple of ideas. Most of them involve a few test drives, maybe a re-evaluation of needs vs. wants.


I agree completely.
I love this country, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else (no offense to residents of other countries intended). Buuuuuuut in the U.S. we have confused "rights" with wants.

brucepick
04-04-2007, 10:26 PM
Some say that they are indifferent to the prices. I think they're in denial. Just painting it rosy.

Let 'em fill up a few tankfuls at $50-75 per and they'll start thinking about things that get more than 20 mpg.

I'm considering putting a sign of some sort in a rear window, maybe
EPA: 19/24
This car: 27
Your car?

antrey
04-05-2007, 08:36 AM
I agree with everyone. How predictable.
The year is still young. We're on target for a repeat of last year.

http://66.70.86.64/test.gaschart?Country=Canada&Crude=f&Period=24&Areas=USA%20Average,,&Unit=US%20$/G

It actually looks like we are slightly ahead of schedule. In some strange way I'm thrilled everytime gas prices go up. It gives me hope that more people will snap out of the wasteful funk they're in.

tigerhonaker
04-05-2007, 09:12 AM
Here is my take on Fuel-Prices where I live.

I live and work in Williamson Cnty. one of the 10 Richest Cntys. in the USA. I mention this just to let others know how it works here for those that are in the higher pay scales.

I work now for a Acura Dealer. We just about {Pre-sell} every MDX that is delivered to the dealership. What does this tell anyone looking at Fuel Cost here locally ? No one or hardly anyone is the least concerned about the current price of Gas or how many gallons per mile the vehicle is getting. Oh I may have forgot to mention this. Who do you think is driving these Mdx's ? Mom's are driving them and Hubby is at work paying for them. Ladies do not go crazy here. This is not to say that women do not work hard or that they do not pay for their vehicles they are driving. I am simply pointing out what I see every day at this Acura Dealer. The women are running around doing their thing in these large Suv's with a load of children. When we meet at the food court for lunch you can barely find a place to sit because the Mom's are there with 3-5 children each visiting each other and the children are all over the place. So in the regions of this Country where the money is plentiful, believe me when I say no one here is the least concerned over what they drive or the FE of that same vehicle. They are much more interested in she drives a Mdx honey, do you want our children to be less safe and me to drive some cheap little vehicle around. I could never raise my head up if the girls see me in something like that cheap little thing.

The flip side of this is the working person. They are paid by the Hour and they are driving the used more Fuel Efficient vehicles if they have a choice. Same location but completely different pay scales. Reminds me of those that live in England. Rich are getting richer and the Poor stay Poor or get Poorer if that is possible.

So as far as fuel prices go it all depends I think on where one is in the food chain. If you are at the top as a lot of these people here are. Then they are not the least concerned over fuel prices.

In fact to take this a step further I really think if things get into the higher ups pockets then they simply eliminate some of the lower positions in the company below them. Then they just do as always, what ever they want.

Opinions expressed here are solely mine and no-one Else's:

You can just take these comments as I have expressed them or play games with yourselves but in the end it will alter nothing for those at the (Top).

Have a nice day.

Terry (tiger)

Pravus Prime
04-05-2007, 07:20 PM
Drivers Shrug as Gasoline Prices Soar ( http://www.goupstate.com/article/20070330/ZNYT01/703300319/1051/news01)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/3_199_gas_prices.jpg Veronica Burgos, a 39-year-old bookkeeper, says she is not about to give up her aging gas-guzzling navy blue Ford Explorer to commute to work and shuttle her children around, even though gasoline prices in the Los Angeles area where she lives are now “ridiculous.”

“With this S.U.V., you really feel it, but I have two kids so I need it,” she said. “In reality my husband would probably rather that I don’t drive the S.U.V. so much, but I still do and I drive quite a bit. With work and two kids and all their activities, especially on the weekend, we’re more comfortable in the S.U.V. So what are you going to do?”





I think we're all zeroing in on that like a bullseye. Want vs. Need, information vs. ignorance, there are so many ways to attack those paragraphs it's not even funny. Yet, with articles about spending $500 a month on fuel, $80 a week on fuel, I'm not even mildly amused anymore.

Blah blah blah, you, Veronica Burgos, are an idiot.

tbaleno
04-05-2007, 07:30 PM
I feel like a bad parent. My two kids have to suffer with an accord. And oh the torture when we have to drive half way across the country in a civic.

I hope no one reports me to child services.

xcel
04-05-2007, 09:26 PM
Hi All:

___Great find Tarabell!

___The high gas prices are affecting drivers in my circles. I know many that are quickly tiring of flushing $150 - $200 or more per month down the toilet. Even the most well to do that fill up for themselves have to have an inkling that every time the pump asks for $50.00 that something is seriously wrong. Look at Domestic SUV and P/U truck sales for proof that things are a changing. There are now 5 Hybrid owners in my work parking lot vs. none just 2 years ago. There are Civics, Corolla’s and Yaris’ starting to show up that used to be full sized P/U’s and SUV’s. That does not excuse the rest as there are still a huge number of land yachts and gas guzzling sedans on Chicago’s highways but there is a change taking place and I am seeing it in the smallest of increments.

___Remember too that Peak Oil did not go away and with its impending appearance. With its arrival, you can bet there will be a sea change as prices rise even further.

___Finally, I thought it was JimboK who said something like the following: “Do you like buying your oil from Iran”? Support our Troops all the while giving our hard earned $’s to our enemies. The world is coming around. It will only be a matter of time before we all do as well …

___Good Luck

___Wayne

tarabell
04-05-2007, 11:49 PM
The high gas prices are affecting drivers in my circles.....there is a change taking place and I am seeing it in the smallest of increments.

As Churchill once said "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing after they have exhausted all the other possibilities."

Remember too that Peak Oil did not go away and with its impending appearance. With its arrival, you can bet there will be a sea change as prices rise even further.

Yes...and in that case doing the right thing at the last minute is going to prove very costly.

JimboK
04-06-2007, 06:06 AM
___Finally, I thought it was JimboK who said something like the following: “Do you like buying your oil from Iran”?
I didn't say it. But I wish I had.

firenurse4
04-06-2007, 07:32 PM
Although two kids do take up **a lot** of space. Like two whole seats!

Its not just the kids, its all the assorted junk that they "have to have" to travel with. Portable DVD player(s), book bags, Handheld game, iPod, and the list goes on. ;)



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