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xcel
03-24-2007, 02:50 AM
Ford has also built a custom Mariner Hybrid for Gore's former boss, Bill Clinton, prompting one Dearborn insider to quip that they've now outfitted the entire Clinton administration with gas-electric hybrids. (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070324/AUTO01/703240356/1148)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/President_Clinton_recieves_Mariner_Hybrid.jpgBryce Hoffman, Mark Truby, Davis Shepardson, Joel J. Smith - Detroit News - Mar. 23, 2007

Former President Clinton looking over his Mercury Mariner Hybrid “Presidential Edition” last fall - the first hybrid vehicle to be outfitted for presidential service.

Forget walking the talk: If you want to jump on the global warming bandwagon, you've got to drive it, too.

All causes green are the in thing in Hollywood, but not every Tinseltown celebrity is willing to give up the legroom and entourage space afforded by a stretch limo. That is the reality organizers of the upcoming Echo music awards in Berlin are struggling to come to grips with. In partnership with Volkswagen AG, the German equivalent of the Grammys is planning to shuttle such celebs as Bono and Jennifer Lopez to das rote carpet in eco-friendly and uber-tiny VW Polos. But rumor has it that the tiny green cars are just too small to hold J-Lo's ego, so she and other big names are looking into booking big black gas guzzlers for the occasion.

One Hollywood celeb that is willing to sacrifice a wet bar and footrest for the good of the planet is the Green Man himself, Al Gore. Gore, who traded in his nuclear launch codes for a director's swagger stick, has also traded in his Lexus for a pair of Mercury Mariner Hybrid sport-utes. He even rode one of Ford Motor Co.'s green machines to Capitol Hill this week when he returned to show Congress Mother Earth's fever chart. Ford has also built a custom Mariner Hybrid for Gore's former boss, Bill Clinton, prompting one Dearborn insider to quip that they've now outfitted the entire Clinton administration with gas-electric hybrids.

Gore operates at his convenience

Vice President Al Gore's appearance on Capitol Hill this week was a standing-room only affair. Reporters and members of the public began lining up an hour early to get in. But Gore -- whose global warming documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth," won an Academy Award -- was able to sidestep some of the irritations many witnesses face. He avoided listening to opening statements and a parliamentary kerfuffle in a House hearing. And U.S. Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, noted Gore's three-page testimony had been faxed to the House majority at 1 a.m. and given to the Republicans at 7 a.m. -- a departure from the usual practice of submitting testimony a day or two in advance. Barton later noted that Gore's testimony bore little relation to what the former veep actually said during his 30-minute speech.

Detroit taking public lumps

A story by Reuters news wire this week captured the state of things in Detroit these days. Reporter Kevin Krolicki attended an auction of some 300 homes in the city and found even the fast-talking auctioneer was flummoxed by the lack of interest.

"Folks, the ground underneath the house goes with it. You do know that, right?" he offered.

Many houses couldn't even fetch the price of an average new car -- $29,000. "The lumber in the house is worth more than that!" the auctioneer said.

Also this week, U.S. Rep. Tim Walberg, R-Tipton, said Iraq was about as safe as Detroit.

Both stories could have run in the Onion without changing a word.

Sadly for Detroit, the accounts also are zooming around the world on the Internet.

Who didn't get Penney's memo?

Whoa, said a J.C. Penney official just days after it was announced the national department store chain signed a letter of intent to anchor a new $80 million shopping center in Detroit adjacent to the Michigan State Fair Grounds.

While confirming the company did sign the letter, spokeswoman Brenda Romero says it's far from a done deal.

"The possibility of the store coming in and to be able to confirm that is a long way off," Romero now says. "We just want to clarify and downplay that expectation. If it doesn't follow through, we hope we're not setting people up for a major disappointment."

She might want to inform the mall investors who touted publicly the Penney commitment to the City of Detroit and how it would attract other big name retailers to the proposed shopping center.

No room for error in Bush trip

President Bush's trip to two auto assembly plants in the Kansas City area this week was the result of enormous planning. As part of a push to promote his energy agenda, the president was in Fairfax, Kan., to tour a General Motors Corp. factory that builds the Chevy Malibu and Saturn Aura, including a hybrid Aura, and then crossed the Missouri River to visit Ford Motor Co.'s Claycomo, Mo., factory where the automaker builds the Escape Hybrid SUV.

The Secret Service parked a number of large semi trucks next to the entrance of GM's plant as a security precaution. And workers at both plants were told not to go on the roof and not to approach the president unless he approached them. Even movement of the media pool was orchestrated. The president typically doesn't wait for anyone -- especially the media. So when intrepid reporters exited the motorcade at the Fairfax plant, they were told to run -- no sprint -- to reach Bush's first stop. Heavyset cameramen, huffing under the weight of equipment, and reporters in suits ran alongside the assembly line as bemused factory workers looked on.

Perhaps all the running exhausted one local radio reporter. When the motorcade later left for the airport, he was nowhere to be found. Turns out he was left behind -- the president wasn't about to wait for any stranded reporter.

AshenGrey
03-24-2007, 10:11 AM
I think that Al Gore has some Green Credibility issues. He lives in a 26,000 square foot mansion that uses 20x the power that the average american uses. He also takes a private jet all over the world instead of taking a commercial airliner. He could afford solar and wind power for his home, but has failed to do so. He could easily afford a modified PHEV Prius, but he has not.

It's great that he espouses green policies, but he needs to walk the talk a little more.

xcel
03-24-2007, 02:42 PM
Hi Ashen:

___I am sure you have read all of the controversial News items and posts previously uploaded. The one item I do have to say is he is offsetting his carbon footprint with $’s directed at TerraPass like affiliates. He is fortunate enough to be extremely well off on a number of fronts and you can expect to see his high carbon footprint lifestyle drop even more as time moves on. Think about his personal acreage alone. A few hundred trees planted per year and he easily covers his CO2 emissions. The real question becomes how do we cover ours :(

___Good Luck

___Wayne

msantos
03-24-2007, 09:40 PM
Hi Ashen:

___I am sure you have read all of the controversial News items and posts previously uploaded. The one item I do have to say is he is offsetting his carbon footprint with $’s directed at TerraPass like affiliates. He is fortunate enough to be extremely well off on a number of fronts and you can expect to see his high carbon footprint lifestyle drop even more as time moves on. Think about his personal acreage alone. A few hundred trees planted per year and he easily covers his CO2 emissions. The real question becomes how do we cover ours :(

___Good Luck

___Wayne


Very true Wayne.

However, it saddens me that so many folks either don't know about carbon offsets or simply don't accept the concept.

I am almost beginning to think that carbon off-sets should not be a voluntary thing at all... they should actually be mandadatory/implicit for folks who fall in a higher tax bracket. The higher the yearly revenue the greater the mandatory off-set should be. hummm...

Cheers;

MSantos

brick
03-24-2007, 10:09 PM
However, it saddens me that so many folks either don't know about carbon offsets or simply don't accept the concept.


I hate to say it, but I fall into that category. More than willing to take a fresh look at it, of course, but I don't quite get how $20 on my mastercard is going to cancel out a whole bunch of CO2 that definitely exited my tailpipe.

Another topic for another thread, maybe.

Dan
03-25-2007, 10:30 AM
I hate to say it, but I fall into that category. More than willing to take a fresh look at it, of course, but I don't quite get how $20 on my mastercard is going to cancel out a whole bunch of CO2 that definitely exited my tailpipe.

Another topic for another thread, maybe.

Tim, If you need the basic concept, I'll try to fill it in. The idea was that the Fedral Govt (UN or whoever) would give each company a supply of carbon credits each year based on how little they should pollute based on current technology.

There is Law backing the messure that if you pollute X tons, you must be able to show that you have sufficent carbon credits to "pay" for X tons of GHG. So in a big picture, if the Feds only want North America to produce 800 Tons of GHG for 2008, they only "mint" 1,600,000 Carbon Credits (assuming 1 credit = 1 lb GHG).

Now the idea is that some compaies seeing this would go green, greener than "current technology" estimates of thier pollution and sit on an excess of carbon credits. Now, knowing that there are other companies that haven't re-tooled, they will go past thier government Carbon Credit alotment. The dirty companies now have to buy, with real $ the carbon credits from the clean company, so as not to get busted by the feds.

Kinda like issuing a fixed number of stock, as demand for that stock goes up, people that can sell can sell for more. So if Gore buys 5000 carbon credits, he (and others) have added demand on the market that should drive up the price of the dirty companies trying to buy credits. The theory is that eventually, the dirty companies will spend so much money buying credits to keep from getting busted that it will be cheaper to retool.

So here's where I see it falling apart.

1) Dirty compaines are good at lobbying, so maybe they lobby to "re-evaluate" the 2008 carbon credit count. If the Fed mints more, the credit value gets deflated (kinda like inflation on the US dollar).

2) Enforcement. Kinda assumes these companies are honest and making sure they can cover thier GHG with the right carbon credits. I personally think these compaines are "floating checks". I think they run without sufficent credits, but if they are audited, they can run out and buy the credits before the audit is done. If they only get audited 2-3 times a decade, they can run dirty 70-80% of the time. I personally don't think that the EPA audits EVERY company EVERY quarter, but I could be wrong.

3) Penalty. If the fedral fine for running short on credits is say 1 million dollars, and it would cost you 2 million to buy the credits so as not to get busted, there is simply no incentive to do the right thing. Inflating the price of credits is great, but if it ever out paces the fedral penalty schedule, companies will simply go off of the credit system all togeather.

In all I think it's a novel idea, but look at carbon credits like currency. That's the intent. But what do you think has tighter control, US greenbacks or Carbon Credits? What do you think would happen if a company paid it's 4 Million dollar US tax bill in counterfit $100 bills. They would get absolutely crucified! I'd argue that running without carbon credits does not cary the same kind of death sentance associated with it. But I could be wrong.

I'm no economist, and really only have a laymans knowlege of the credit system and enforcement, but this is how I understand it.

Edit: Carbon credits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_credits) are enforced by the Kyoto Protocol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol), a treity that the US is not beholden to. US credits are traded on the Chicago Exchange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Climate_Exchange), and paticipation in that exchange is totally volentary (ie, only clean compaies have sighned up). In the end, buying carbon credits on the US exchange doesn't keep dirty compaies from polluting, but it would increase the revenue that the volenteer clean companies net from the sell of thier credits.

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