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xcel
01-25-2011, 12:47 AM
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/2/AmericanFlag.jpg More Fuel Economy, larger size, more features… And all starting at around $20K. (cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?p=295556)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/2012_VW_Passat_TDI.jpgWayne Gerdes - CleanMPG (cleanmpg.com) - Jan. 25, 2011

VW’s all-new 2012 Passat TDI – Promised best-in-class rear legroom and an amazing 43 mpg US highway :)

While VW earned its stripes in 2010 with a 20 percent increase in total sales over the 2009 model year and the best annual sales since 2003, the results were mainly due to over 123,000 Jetta’s being sold. The languishing Passat with just over 10,000 units sold over the same period was apparently not invited to the same party.

This is about to change…

VW’s world debut of the all-new Passat is intended to power the company’s near term growth plans for the U.S. marketplace as it was developed to meet the needs of America with a larger size, more premium features and handling characteristics that make a VW a VW. It will also be built here in America in Chattanooga, TN at what VW calls the world’s newest, most advanced and environmentally responsible auto assembly plant.

The new 2012 VW Passat TDI is the only midsize sedan available in North America that is expected to deliver 43 mpg highway and come with standard features that include automatic climate control and Bluetooth connectivity.

The new Passat offers best-in-class legroom, VW’s Care Free Maintenance program (3 years/36,000 miles) and the safety of Volkswagen’s Intelligent Crash Response System.

Volkswagen’s new Chattanooga plant that will produce the Passat is part of a $4 billion investment by the company in the U.S. market. The environmentally friendly facility includes a revolutionary paint shop that significantly reduces emissions. A state-of-the art $40 million employee training center ensures adherence to Volkswagen’s exacting quality standards.

The Passat will set new benchmarks for safety, driving performance and environmental responsibility in the midsize segment.

The TDI

The all-new Passat offers three drivetrain options but we will only focus on the fuel saving 2.0L TDI Turbo Diesel.

The 2.0L I4 TDI in the all-new 2012 Passat provides 140 HP and 236 lb.-ft. of torque. While these specs are nothing new to US and Canadian based TDI fans, the all-new Passat TDI is expected to deliver 43 mpg highway! What did they do to achieve this? From the Detroit Auto Show Press event, we were told the new Passat TDI is going to use a UREA based SCR CAT allowing NOx to be converted to harmless N2 via a onboard urea storage and chemical injection vs. consuming an inordinate amount of diesel fuel to regenerate the NOx CAT that is used in the current Jetta and Golf TDI’s.

While I am sure there are other HW changes that have not yet been released to achieve the increase, whatever they are is not as important as the final result and it is great to see it!

The Passat TDI will be equipped with a standard 6-speed stick with a 6-speed DSG transmission being available. The 6-speed DSG or dual-clutch transmission is considered the most efficient automatic in the world. This technologically advanced six-speed transmission incorporates an automatic dual-clutch system that instantly engages and disengages gears without the need for a clutch pedal. With a special computer controlling the process, one clutch is engaged on the next gear while the clutch from the previous gear is released. The results are crisp, quick shifts, without the loss of power that is experienced with a traditional manual gearbox.

Features

The Passat will be offered in three trim levels, S SE and SEL, with a total of 16 equipment levels. All will offer first-in-class safety and comfort.

The Passat’s safety features include Volkswagen’s advanced Intelligent Crash Response Systems, which initiates automatic safety protections in a collision — the fuel supply and high consumption electronic equipment shuts off; the doors unlock; the battery terminal disconnects from the alternator cable; the hazard lights switch on.

The Passat also comes with a tire pressure monitoring system, ESP electronic stabilization program, ABS with braking assistant, Hill Climb Assist (with manual transmission), six airbags and an extremely rigid body structure to protect the driver and passengers.

The Passat sets new standards for comfort, with a significantly larger rear seating area, best-in-class rear seat legroom and what VW says are well-designed controls.

Other standard features include automatic climate control, power windows, air conditioning, insulating glass, a distinctive analog clock at the center of the instrument panel, cruise control, outside temperature display with frost warning, radio-CD system (MP3-capable, plus external audio input) and Bluetooth connectivity.

Premium options include 17- and 18-inch alloy wheels, power seat adjustment, leather, leather-trimmed multifunction steering wheel, a touch screen satellite radio, a choice of Volkswagen’s RNS 510 or RNS 315 navigation systems, front fog lights with static cornering lights, wood decor, new ambiance lighting, memory driver’s seat, power passenger seat, and keyless access with push button start.

The Passat will also offer the new Fender premium audio system. In a partnership that combined quality automotive engineering and quality sound engineering, Volkswagen and Fender teamed up to bring the raw emotion of live music to the driving experience.

Exterior

I removed the superfluous BS and went straight to the bottom line: the car in person really does look much more expensive than it actually is.

Interior

The new, larger Passat is 191.7 inches long and has a 110.4 inch wheelbase, which provides a noticeable increase in rear seating space.

The interior is marked by a clean and geometric structure with standard VW controls that are easy to operate. Unfortunately, the control stalk has gained too many operations making display and control selection cumbersome .

The base instrumentation however is striking with chrome trimmed gauges surrounding the center multifunction display. A chrome look is also applied to the air vents in the cockpit, and to the surrounds of the radio, navigation system and the climate control panels. The rotary light switch and parking brake handle button are also treated in chrome. Except for the base version, all other Passat trims have chrome interior accents on the window, mirror adjustment and trunk opening switches.

The seats are exceptionally adjustable and comfortable as even in the base driver’s seat is adjustable eight ways, including lumbar support.

The all-new 2012 VW Passat should help power VW’s plans to significantly increase market share. While the Passat is but one model in the VW lineup, the upgrades will make it a force to be reckoned with in the mid-size realm.

WriConsult
01-25-2011, 01:11 AM
What, no wagon?

The return of the TDI engine to the Passat lineup is extremely welcome! Even better will be its availability with an MT, even if it will probably be extremely hard to find. The last Passat TDI in our market (2004-ish) was automatic only.

PaleMelanesian
01-25-2011, 09:25 AM
Made in USA, too! That would ease most of my hesitation about buying a VW.

If that's true about no wagon, then sorry VW, it's not for me.

ItsNotAboutTheMoney
01-25-2011, 09:42 AM
Made in USA, too! That would ease most of my hesitation about buying a VW.

If that's true about no wagon, then sorry VW, it's not for me.

Assembled or made?

Last I knew all the engines were made in Mexico.

PaleMelanesian
01-25-2011, 09:48 AM
It's not the TDI engine I'm concerned about. It's everything else on the car. If I bought one, I would be buying a TDI first, and a Volkswagen second only because nobody else offers one. If Honda offered one, I'd buy that instead. If Ford offered one, I'd buy that.

seftonm
01-25-2011, 10:15 AM
Assembled or made?

Last I knew all the engines were made in Mexico.
TDI's haven't been made in Mexico for quite some time, if ever. The 2.0 TDI is made in Hungary and Germany.

ALS
01-25-2011, 10:18 AM
The upside of this is the more TDI's VW puts on the road, the more pressure GM and Ford are going to have to bring over their own diesels from Europe.

PaleMelanesian
01-25-2011, 10:24 AM
The upside of this is the more TDI's VW puts on the road, the more pressure GM and Ford are going to have to bring over their own diesels from Europe.

seftonm
01-25-2011, 10:35 AM
I'm very curious to see how this car will perform when taken to the limit. The current Jetta / Golf TDI have similar EPA ratings but I feel their maximum mpg ceiling is severely lowered because those engines are running to keep NOx in check pretty much all the time. Without the engine having to be so focused on NOx reduction now, I am hoping its potential max mpg will be better than what we've seen before with the Jetta / Golf.

dr61
01-25-2011, 10:52 AM
I second the need for a station wagon version. I also hope that biodiesel compatibility is increased for this model (currently VW specifies a max of 5% biodiesel).

ItsNotAboutTheMoney
01-25-2011, 11:05 AM
The upside of this is the more TDI's VW puts on the road, the more pressure GM and Ford are going to have to bring over their own diesels from Europe.

Thirded.

So far it's been steady growth at the bottom, but upmarket the Germans are proportionally selling a lot of diesels.

It's still going to be tough with the price differential on the car and the fuel. I think that if they really want to succeed with diesel cars in the USA upping the biodiesel rating would be the way to do it.

herm
01-25-2011, 02:21 PM
The #1 feature they should offer is 10y / 100k milesper to bumper warranty.

WriConsult
01-25-2011, 02:25 PM
I second the need for a station wagon version. I also hope that biodiesel compatibility is increased for this model (currently VW specifies a max of 5% biodiesel).I doubt it. My understanding is the current generation of diesels have injection pressures that are too high for biodiesel, which has a different viscosity than petrodiesel.

aca2983
01-25-2011, 02:26 PM
This thing looks a cross between the last-generation Kia Optima and an Impala. Snooze.

seftonm
01-25-2011, 03:16 PM
I doubt it. My understanding is the current generation of diesels have injection pressures that are too high for biodiesel, which has a different viscosity than petrodiesel.
Ford and GM allow B20 in their diesel pickups. The problem was that post injection with biodiesel to light up the DPF can lead to oil contamination issues. GM gets around this by adding an injector outside the combustion chamber, while Ford uses the regular high pressure injectors along with very precise controls and modeling of what's going on in the combustion chamber.

paulbates
01-25-2011, 06:30 PM
It is a great looking car. The opportunity to use biodiesel, get high mileage. VWs do drive nice as well. I won't be in the market for a while, but this one makes a lot of sense. Essentially I can get two of these or one volt..

moneysaver
01-25-2011, 10:31 PM
The diesel mileage seems fantastic for car of this size and will be sought after by those looking for a good highway fuel cruiser.

But what is up with styling?

Note to VW: You will not out compete Toyota at building a bland mobile with side-profile that resembles current Impala. You have taken a good looking Passat and camrified to for blandness. Sad to see the transformation from the beautiful Passat CC to this blah design.

xcel
01-26-2011, 08:22 AM
Hi All:

I should have incorporated this interior pic with the OP... This is not a Camry interior by any means... Except for the cheap looking rear view mirror anyway ;)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/2/2012_VW_Passat_Interior.jpg
2012 VW Passat Interior

Wayne

WriConsult
01-26-2011, 02:04 PM
Nice looking interior, except for the (real or fake, don't care for it either way) wood trim.

scottd
01-27-2011, 01:03 PM
TDI's haven't been made in Mexico for quite some time, if ever. The 2.0 TDI is made in Hungary and Germany.

My TDI Engine (MY 2005) was built in Poland but assembled in Mexico.

Ford and GM allow B20 in their diesel pickups. The problem was that post injection with biodiesel to light up the DPF can lead to oil contamination issues. GM gets around this by adding an injector outside the combustion chamber, while Ford uses the regular high pressure injectors along with very precise controls and modeling of what's going on in the combustion chamber.

This is true about the TDI's, the DPF will lead to oil contamination. Because the new Passat does not have DPF it should be able to use a higher % of Biodiesel.

This looks like a great car. I might consider the Passat as my next car after I get my full use out of my Jetta TDI (300K miles). That means I only have to wait another 20 years :( at my current 10K per year average.

seftonm
01-27-2011, 01:57 PM
I can almost guarantee the new Passat will have a DPF. The urea SCR is to get rid of NOx, while the DPF's job is to filter out soot. What's gone with the Passat is the NOx storage catalyst, replaced with the SCR catalyst.



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