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xcel
03-07-2007, 09:19 AM
Less gas per car, less tax collected has highway fund heading to deficit. (http://www.dailynews.com/search/ci_5277705)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/2007_Toyota_Corolla.jpgSue Doyle and Harrison Sheppard - LA News - Feb. 22, 2007

Blaming fuel-efficient cars like the Toyota Corolla/Prius or Honda Civic/Civic Hybrid for the decline of money in the fund is a distortion of reality.

America's growing love affair with energy-efficient cars is starting to take a toll on the nation's crumbling highways and roads.

Requiring fewer fill-ups at the pumps, the vehicles are putting a pinch on the federal Highway Trust Fund - the major government funding source for highway and mass-transit projects.

And federal officials say the fund, financed by a federal tax on gasoline, is careening toward a deficit within two years.

To be fair, federal officials say, it's not just energy-efficient autos that are sucking the fund dry. Higher construction costs, congressional overspending and an aging highway system are also putting a growing strain on it.

But now a panel chartered by Congress is looking for new ways to finance the system, and the answer could mean an increase at the pump for consumers who already pay 18.3 cents into the fund for each gallon of gas.

"The bottom line with the Highway Trust Fund is that spending is at a higher level than funds coming in," U.S. Transportation Secretary Mary E. Peters said in an interview Wednesday. "This total dependence on gas tax isn't working anymore."

Peters also chairs the National Surface Transportation Policy and Revenue Study Commission that is reviewing the situation and will make recommendations to Congress in a report this year.

On Wednesday, the commission began a two-day hearing with California transit officials at the Metropolitan Transportation Authority's downtown Los Angeles office to discuss the region's needs.

Peters said one estimate shows the highway portion of the Highway Trust Fund - which pays for roads and bridges and uses 80 percent of the federal gas tax that is collected - will see a $230 million deficit by fiscal year 2009.

That doesn't mean the account will be at zero, but rather that it won't reach levels authorized by Congress. Some in the Congressional Budget Office believe the deficit will be even more substantial, possibly $3 billion to $4 billion.

The second portion of the fund - used to finance mass-transit projects with 20 percent of the federal gas tax collected - is not expected to go into deficit.

Field hearings on the fund quietly began in November in New York and Memphis, where the commission started to measure the nation's transportation needs.

Hearings in L.A. are taking place simultaneously with ones in Atlanta. Las Vegas is next, and the commission will conclude its hearings after visiting Minneapolis and Chicago in April.

After the commission files its report, legislators could decide to adopt its recommendations or use them as a guide for funding federal projects, said Chris Bonanti, special assistant to the administrator at the Federal Railroad Administration and staff liaison to the commission.

Brian Turmail, spokesman for the U.S. Department of Transportation, said commissioners are asking why all the increased spending on road projects isn't paying off. Roads are still congested. Traffic is getting worse.

"What we're spending isn't really getting the results we want," he said.

But Peters said funding also is a problem as Congress overspends its means, and revenue for the Highway Trust Fund has slowed as more alternative-fuel cars have hit the road.

People also aren't driving as much as they once did, she said.

Predictions of trouble with the federal Highway Trust Fund surfaced in 2005. A report commissioned by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce predicted that the fund would run out of money.

Later that year, President George W. Bush signed a $286.4 billion transportation law that also established a 12-member commission - a mix of federal, state and business leaders - to look for sustainable funding options.

Paul Taylor, chief economist for the National Automobile Dealers Association, said hybrids account for just a fraction of the car market and could not be playing a significant role in the decline of the Highway Trust Fund.

In 2006, 16.5 million cars were sold nationwide - just 251,862 of them hybrids.

But Taylor acknowledged that over the years, automotive technology has made all cars and trucks more fuel-efficient and contributed to fewer trips to the pump.

"All vehicles are improving their gasoline mileage," Taylor said.

Jack Kyser, chief economist for the Los Angeles County Economic Development Corp., said the national highway system has been under funded for years and that the problems are returning to haunt the government.

Blaming fuel-efficient cars for the decline of money in the fund is a distortion of reality, he said.

"There are still a lot of people out there who bought big pickup trucks and are driving them at a rapid rate of speed," he said.

At the same time, the price of construction has increased far quicker than inflation, partly driven by a development boom in China that has driven up the price of raw materials such as cement and steel, said Dan Beal, managing director of public policy for the Automobile Club of Southern California.

Beal said there are several alternative revenue options for the fund that are likely to come under greater scrutiny in California.

The first is to increase the number of toll roads and raise toll prices during rush hour.

Another possibility is to charge drivers by the mile, rather than the gallon - similar to the way they pay for utilities.

There already is a pilot project on that option in Oregon, but it's not clear how that might affect how much the average driver would pay.

Ultimately, whatever solution public officials adopt will have to involve persuading drivers that they are getting good value for their tax dollars, Beal said.

"The public has to be convinced that what they're paying now is being used appropriately and wisely," he said. "Nobody wants to pay more if they don't think they're getting value for what they're currently paying."

brucepick
03-07-2007, 08:59 PM
Of course fuel consumption has to decrease, at least in terms of fuel per person-mile if not total national consumption. So any funding based on quantity of fuel consumed has to be revisited.

BUT to lay even a portion of the blame for budget problems on vehicles or practices that reduce fuel consumption is misplaced blame. In fact, lighter vehicles will cause less wear and tear on our roadways than heavier ones.

locutus
03-07-2007, 11:52 PM
In fact, lighter vehicles will cause less wear and tear on our roadways than heavier ones.

In fact, *much* less. (http://training.ce.washington.edu/WSDOT/Modules/06_structural_design/aasho_road_test.htm) (Click the "load equivalencies" link near the top.) Road damage is proportional to the fourth power of a vehicle's weight. So even going from 3,000 to 6,000 pounds of vehicle weight (mid-size car to large SUV) you are doing about 16 times more total road damage for a given distance.

brick
03-08-2007, 06:13 AM
Sooo...clean up the programs, raise fuel taxes if necessary. I don't understand why this has to be so complicated.

lightfoot
03-08-2007, 07:29 AM
Noooo, it would be far far simpler to make cars burn more fuel so that more money would flow into the fund, then the problem would disappear!! I can see it now, little chimneys on top of every car with flames shooting out, burning up gas that can't be shoved through the engine. Sort of like those stacks you see at refineries.

I sense an Onion article here...

brucepick
03-08-2007, 09:02 AM
No...I can see it now, little chimneys on top of every car with flames shooting out, burning up gas that can't be shoved through the engine. Sort of like those stacks you see at refineries...

It would be cruel for anyone to flame you for that post. :rolleyes:

brick
03-08-2007, 10:09 AM
The part of it that doesn't make any sense to me is all the talk and pilot programs for "tax by mile" systems that basically track your movements and collect information about your travels so that you can pay a toll depending on where you went and when. Not only does that scare anyone who read 1984, but it is completely unnecessary to invest time and money into such a needlessly complicated system! It will always take energy to move a vehicle, and that energy is roughly proportional to the size of the vehicle. It may not take 16x the energy to to move a vehicle that's twice in size as another, but are they really going to tax a H2 at 16x the rate of my Prius? Hell no, because that would be an unpopular move for a politician. And that's what it boils down to: some politician decided that this concept would be really cool because some vendor decided they would make a lot of money (which comes from somewhere) and so the thing gets rammed down the population's collective throat. Insanity.

xcel
03-08-2007, 10:46 AM
Hi All:

___Not only is the articles content filled with holes from top to bottom, the Congressional Over spending part is the real key. It is not a highway trust fund; it is Congress’ slush fund for all kinds of stuff not related to highway maintenance and/or construction.

___Our government is pushing us toward third world with all the spending of cash we don’t have and the consequences we will be susceptible too later on is all but a guarantee because of it :(

___Good Luck

___Wayne

tarabell
03-08-2007, 11:05 AM
Something I'm not getting here. I thought with higher gas prices that states were raking in the money, especially California. Why isn't the federal fund also?

http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1492.html

xcel
03-08-2007, 11:23 AM
___The Fed Tax is locked at a given $0.xx/gallon so it has no inflation or increasing price adjustment like a state tax does. The Fed’s raise comes from an ever increasing amount of fuel consumed. Totally counter to where our country needs to head unfortunately :(

___Good Luck

___Wayne



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