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xcel
01-23-2007, 09:38 PM
The renewed emphasis on ethanol, made mainly from corn and other farm products, was a victory for the Detroit 3. The companies' CEOs personally lobbied Congress and the White House on ethanol last year. (http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070123/REG/70123040/1139/emailblast02&refsect=emailblast02)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/Bush_giving_State_of_the_Union.jpgHarry Stoffer - Automotive News - Jan. 23, 2007

WASHINGTON -- President Bush is calling for a dramatic increase in the amount of ethanol the nation produces as a substitute for gasoline.

The president, in his State of the Union address Tuesday night, said he wants production of alternative and renewable fuels to reach 35 billion gallons a year by 2017 -- about five times the current level.

The proposal is the principal part of his Twenty in Ten plan to reduce U.S. gasoline consumption by 20 percent in 10 years.

He also wants to revise fuel economy standards for cars and extend rules for light trucks, which he said would cut gasoline use by 5 percent.

Dependence on foreign oil "leaves us vulnerable to hostile regimes, and to terrorists, who could cause huge disruptions of oil shipments, raise the price of oil and do great harm to our economy," he said.

The renewed emphasis on ethanol, made mainly from corn and other farm products, was a victory for the Detroit 3. The companies' CEOs personally lobbied Congress and the White House on ethanol last year.

They promised to make half their fleets capable of running on fuel that is 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline -- a blend called E85 -- if the government took steps to guarantee greater fuel availability.

They have already built about 6 million flexible-fuel vehicles but few ever run on anything but gasoline.

The administration revised fuel economy rules for light trucks last year so that vehicles of different sizes have different fuel economy targets. Bush wants to apply the same methodology to cars before raising standards. The car standard, set at 27.5 mpg, has not been changed since 1990.

The overall truck standard is being raised to about 24 mpg by 2011.

Automakers are eager to keep standard setting in the hands of regulators and out of the hands of lawmakers, who they fear might set some arbitrarily high numbers.

Tom LaSorda, CEO of the Chrysler group, said earlier Tuesday that his company would look "favorably" on varying fuel economy targets for cars by size.

But Joan Claybrook, president of the consumer group Public Citizen, said the size-based system creates loopholes and government should continue to set fleetwide standards.

rhwinger
01-24-2007, 04:57 AM
Was hoping for a stronger statement like "achive energy independence by 20XX" challenge similar to the "go to the moon by the end of the decade" thing. But, he did substaintially increase the target for ethanol production - a strech goal for sure. Just hope loopholes don't undermine like they have in the past.

brick
01-24-2007, 06:13 AM
I'm not enthusiastic.

Chuck
01-24-2007, 07:31 AM
Was hoping for a stronger statement like "achive energy independence by 20XX" challenge similar to the "go to the moon by the end of the decade" thing. But, he did substaintially increase the target for ethanol production - a strech goal for sure. Just hope loopholes don't undermine like they have in the past.

He has set goals for going back to the Moon, then to Mars, then people forget.

Check out the Time article > http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1581789,00.html?xid=site-cnn-partner

Note this quote:
What the president didn't do after all this ambitious call to arms was put forward any serious ideas — or even any unserious ones — about how to make it happen. Remember all that talk about hydrogen cars? Get yours'yet? No, and you're not likely to for a very long time either.


Someone else noted he has mentioned energy in every State of the Union Speech, but like GM so far, it's just been a tease.

noflash
01-24-2007, 09:07 AM
I heard the price of tortillas is going up in Mexico because of increased ethanol production.

Chuck
01-24-2007, 09:08 AM
Could he suggest a "No Vehicle Left Behind".

Raise the CAFE standards and failing vehicles get sent here until they comply. :D

brick
01-24-2007, 09:13 AM
I've decided that he really can't say what needs to be said: "All Americans have a responsibility to work together in the great effort to reduce our thirst for imported energy. It's time for the auto makers to step up with the widespread implementation of incremental solutions to the problem of low fuel economy. It's time for the federal government to foster an environment where that kind of change is encouraged and rewarded, and it's time for the American consumer to respond by taking steps to reduce energy consumption every day of the week." Problem is that it's politically taboo to ask your constituents to do anything, as he's supposed to just do it for us.

antrey
01-24-2007, 10:34 AM
I heard the price of tortillas is going up in Mexico because of increased ethanol production.

I work in Mexico everyday and many of my co-workers have complained about the price increase due to more corn import demand by the U.S. Tortilla prices (which are a staple of almost every meal especially for low income families) have more than doubled recently.

At this point, I feel the ethanol push is a load of B.S. I've never been a fan of ethanol. It's just a political move to give the big 3 an advantage. Less miles per gallon, less power, more energy to produce and transport a gallon of ethanol than gasoline....how the he!! is that the best solution! It seems to me you are using more locally available coal as energy to produce ethanol and reduce dependence on foreign oil but to he!! with global warming and the planet. I'll take diesel, biodiesel, hybrids, plug in hybrids, and pure EVs any day over a flex fuel vehicle. If cars were designed to run on pure ethanol then compression could be upped significantly and other engine parameters optimized to run on ethanol improving performance, mileage etc.

rhwinger
01-25-2007, 06:28 AM
I don't think ethanol is being pushed as a "silver bullet" for replacing gas for our cars, IMHO. I think ethanol damand is up because it is replacing another oxigenator added to gas to reduce pollution.

But doesn't the idea of reducing reliance on imported oil, using "home grown" energy sources like biomass (not just corn) and coal (large scale generation cleaner than millions of individual ICE plants running around all over the place) to make a contribution, deserve some merit? Sounds like switchgrass, not corn, is the recognized way to go forward w/ ethanol.

Present situation is far from great, but I just have to hope that it will get better, otherwise we are really lost.



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