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Chuck
01-17-2007, 02:50 PM
Skeptics still wonder if the SUV love affair is really over (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16636430/)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/Ford_F1501.jpgRoland Jones - www.msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.com) - Jan 17, 2007

Of the hundreds of new vehicles on display at this year’s North American International Auto Show in Detroit, Toyota’s hulking 2007 Tundra CrewMax looks out of place.

Larger in every dimension than the truck it replaces and available in 31 model configurations, the new Tundra half-ton pickup is set to challenge the big trucks produced by rivals General Motors and Ford. But it flies in the face of the theme of this year’s auto show.

Instead of big sport utility vehicles and trucks, most automakers at this year’s Detroit show are emphasizing basic midsize passenger cars and “crossover” vehicles — scaled-down versions of SUVs built on car platforms, offering drivers a smoother ride and improved gas mileage.

GM and Ford are the business case study for not relying on just one vehicle — they have been so dependent on the profitability of their sport utility vehicles and pickup trucks in years gone by, and so now they have to come out with new money-making cars,” said Rebecca Lindland, industry analyst at consulting company Global Insight.

A prime example was the Chevrolet Volt concept car unveiled by General Motors at the show. The vehicle, which is not expected to be available before 2010, is designed to run on little or no gasoline, can be recharged from a conventional wall socket in a home and will run on battery power alone for up to 40 miles.

Also on show: DaimlerChrysler’s 2008 Smart Fortwo, a small two-seater car aiming to benefit from Americans’ growing preference for small cars, which would build on the success of the Mini. The tiny car is expected to arrive in the U.S. in January 2008.

There’s a reason for the attitude change: The price of gasoline soared above $3 a gallon last summer, driving consumers toward smaller, more fuel-efficient cars. The price of gas has since dropped back toward $2, but consumers are well aware it can soar again, and so consumers’ newfound desire for fuel-efficient vehicles is unlikely to prove fleeting.

Indeed, new figures show fuel efficiency — alongside quality and safety — is a top criterion that automotive executives think is most important to car consumers when they buy a new vehicle.

According to a recent survey by advisory firm KPMG, 89 percent of automotive executives questioned said they think fuel economy is extremely important or important to consumers who are looking to buy a new vehicle, compared with 84 percent last year. The survey was produced by polling 150 senior executives at automakers and suppliers worldwide.

The survey also found that 83 percent of industry executives think gas-electric hybrid vehicles will see their market share increase over the next five years, while 64 percent expected cars to see gains in market share. Ninety-five percent of North American executives said they were likely to see a rise in hybrid sales over the next five years, while 67 percent of North American executives predicted crossover sales will grow.

Only 33 percent of executives in North America said they expect to see larger vehicles, such as minivans, gain market share. Just 28 percent said SUVs would gain market share.

“Gasoline prices have shifted the model mix in executives’ minds, and future winners in the global automotive marketplace will have to find ways to combine ingenious cost-efficiencies with startling design creativity,” said Daron Gifford, head of automotive industry research at KPMG.

Even as gas prices have declined, executives see strong consumer interest in fuel efficiency.

“Gasoline prices [have come down] to these levels, and sales of smaller cars and crossovers are still steady, so I don't think this trend will change,” said Koichi Kondo, head of Honda’s North American operations, said the company, which claims to sell the most fuel-efficient fleet in the United States.

But there are some skeptics.

David Champion, senior director of the automotive test center at Consumer Reports, says research at his organization suggests that while $3 a gallon gasoline got car-buyers attention, it will take prices $4 or even $4.50 a gallon to force real change in buying habits. Pump prices falling back toward $2 could lure consumers back to buying large SUVs, he said.

Higher gas prices certainly put a damper on SUV sales last year. Sales of U.S. light trucks fell 6.7 percent in 2006 according to data from Automotive News, with sales of pickup trucks down 10.2 percent and SUVs off 9.8 percent. At the same time crossover vehicles — which the industry counts as trucks — saw a sales increase of 4.1 percent.

This sales decline has hurt the Big Three of GM, Ford and Chrylser, which have remained heavily dependent on the highly profitable SUV sales strategy of the 1990s. Partly as a result, they have been losing share to Japanese brands which have focused more on sedans and other fuel-friendly vehicles, such as hybrids.

xcel
01-17-2007, 06:21 PM
Hi Chuck:

___Good news item.

___What we saw at the 2007 NAIAS was a sea of Trucks in the Toyota display as well as quite a few in the GM and Ford displays but not nearly the same focus. It was weird and something Tom commented on early on Day 2. Toyota seems to be heading toward a Truck/SUV - Lux and performance hybrid and non-hybrid emphasis. Wouldn’t it be something in a few years if GM was known for its green lineup and Toyota is busy pushing its largest Trucks and SUV’s like it was last week? Talk about a turn around!

___The Tundra while a good looking truck on paper is by no means a match for the Ford F-Series, GM Duramax, and DCX Ram’s from a somewhat interested and current Truck owner. Just my opinion here … Nice for back and forth to work (exactly the wrong thing to be driving a truck for imho) but a little thin when it comes to tough by the feel of the doors and such. In other words, for what you are going to have to pay for a Tundra CrewMax, you may as well purchase a F250 Crew Cab w/ a PowerStroke and go tow hitch to tow hitch w/ the Tundra. The Toyota would be pulled backward from one side of the country to the other while smoking its tires off the rims. The 08 F250 PowerStroke would probably receive 18 - 20 mpg while doing it too :D

___On a similar topic, what worries me is if GM decides to place a PHEV 30 pack in its DualMode based Tahoe’s and Yukon’s in 2 or 3 years. Not only would it be the cleanest automobile on the market including against the ever present Prius II, its cost per mile and its overall FE would be stupid high! What worries me is the amount of electricity drawn off the grid so that a soccer mom could drive from home to the store and back in that tank. It would be saving the planet but it would still be such a waste :( Toyota appears not to have this Green solution on their radar screen or within their grasp which is probably a good thing for GM?

___Good Luck

___Wayne

brick
01-17-2007, 07:28 PM
___On a similar topic, what worries me is if GM decides to place a PHEV 30 pack in its DualMode based Tahoe’s and Yukon’s in 2 or 3 years.

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It would be saving the planet but it would still be such a waste :(


From an engineering and economic standpoint I don't think you have a lot to worry about in the next 2-3 years. (5-10 maybe). The key is what happens when you combine a gargantuine vehicle with current, relatively expensive battery technology. Sure there's plenty of space in the behemoth to tuck that pack away but how big would it have to be? A PHEV-30 system in a Tahoe would have enough energy storage to push a Prius-sized vehicle 100mi+ all other things being equal. A pack that size gets really expensive really quick given that we are taking about battery technology that supposedly doesn't exist yet.

The only fly in the ointment is the potential that their marketing guys will overrule the engineers by using the expensive high-margin truck to hide the expense of all that technology. They might not want to put the smaller system in the inherently less expensive vehicle. But will the market support that kind of nonsense? At the moment my gut is telling me no. The sales figures for the Highlander Hybrid, RX400H, and Accord Hybrid have shown clearly that either performance minded drivers don't want to pay for the added fuel economy of a powerful hybrid system, or that efficiency-minded drivers who do want fuel economy want a whole lot more V8 performance with V6 FE as V6 FE doesn't cut it. Maybe both statements are true.

No, I think that you are way more likely to see the PHEV Dual-Mode Vue than anything else. That's sort of a mid-range FEH-like vehicle that's big enough to handle the equipment but not so big that the equipment becomes a rock thrown at an approaching tank. We can only hope that they will go down in size from there.

xcel
01-17-2007, 10:30 PM
Hi Tim:

___JCI was offering Ford a Li-Ion pack for the FEH (1.7 kWh cap) with the individual cel stack monitoring controls and an integrated cooling solution for < $700/kWh IIRC. A123Systems is producing .5 million Li-Ion cels a month already for DeWalt and the RC racing guys. The same ones that ARE IN the Volt and is being driven right now in fact. Total cost for the A123 Systems 16 kWh pack for the Volt is estimated to be ~ $8,000 - $10,000 in quantity and will probably be cut in half again by 2010. Start doing the math and a 30 kWh pack for the Yukon/Tahoe DualMode is not that far fetched. Bury the cost in a $50,000 + vehicle and I hope you see where this could be going :( Some of the above #’s are of my own guesstimates and some are right from the horses’ mouth. Think of those we spoke with at the 2007 NAIAS last week ;)

___It would be a crying shame to see a great pack being wasted on a behemoth but just think about the publicity GM would receive if the Escalade, Yukon, or Tahoe were far greener and probably cheaper to operate (not purchase) then a Toyota Prius II?

___About the 08 Saturn Vue FWD - DualMode PHEV … Think the same battery companies in a 7 kWh Cap with 50 - 60% useable Soc and you have it. The non-PHEV version will be using a 1.7 kWh cap w/ an ~ 40% SoC range.

___These PHEV’s could do some damage in terms of what they may offer vs. what we are currently driving when finally released. I would prefer to see a 15 - 20 kWh PHEV in a $25,000 affordable family sized vehicle that uses 250 Wh/mile or less rather then a $50,000 + 2.5 Ton tank at 600 Wh/mile or more :(

___Good Luck

___Wayne

AshenGrey
01-18-2007, 05:33 AM
of course, the auto industry could always start making EFFICIENT trucks of large size. GM's 2-mode looks promising is that regard. I'd love to see 13 MPG hulks boosted to 20 MPG.

Chuck
01-18-2007, 06:51 AM
It will be interesting if this change in emphasis continues.



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