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tarabell
01-01-2007, 01:04 AM
Tarabell - CleanMPG.com (www.CleanMPG.com) - Jan. 01, 2007

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My automobile - 2006 Honda Civic Hybrid.

I thought this might be useful for those starting to take an interest in hypermiling. Looking over the Mileage Logs here you may wonder why you don’t get the same FE as someone else with the same car. The reason is that there are so many other external factors than driver skill that play a part in mileage.

So here I’d like to point out some of the obvious and maybe less-obvious factors that affect my overall FE. Knowing your environment and the unique circumstances of both your commuting and non-commuting drives help you understand what helps or hurts you.

Where I live

One of the biggest factors affecting FE is climate. Consider how warm or cold it gets in your area, for how long, the amount of rain, and your seasonal wind conditions. Low temperatures have an especially big impact on hybrids. Living in a very warm climate can mean you tend to use the A/C more. I live in Southern California where it rarely drops below the ‘40s at night, even in winter. In summer we typically have only about 2-3 weeks where you really want the A/C on, but this year unfortunately our summer heat wave seemed to last 2-3 months. Rain and the length of your rainy season also affects your car's mileage, so someone living in Seattle has more elements to battle than someone living in Phoenix. My area's normal rainy season is pretty brief and usually over with by March. Wind, as described in the thread “Has anyone measured the impact of wind on FE? (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/fuel-economy/t-has-anyone-measured-the-impact-of-wind-on-fe-2665.html)” can also affect your FE as detailed by Bear15 and supported by the Fuel Economy Labeling of Motor Vehicle Revisions to Improve Calculation of Fuel Economy Estimates (http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/420r06017.pdf). Southern Cal has its seasonal Santa Ana winds, but mostly in the foothills, not in the flatlands where I live or drive.

My commute

The aspects of my commute that mostly help my FE:

It's daily: Familiarity helps. A consistent commute means you can anticipate the up and down slopes, where backups tends to build, and know when and how long to glide. You get better and better practicing your segments. If I had a sales job where I was on a different freeway each day at different hours, the predictability factor would be hosed.

It’s solo: Not carpooling with family or co-workers means I have no passengers to weigh down my car -- or need to please. For example, driving alone I can be unselfconscious about driving shoeless, have the windows up, no a/c, and no distracting chatter.

It’s just long enough to make a decent segment: More miles are better, since longer segments typically bestow better FE than shorter ones. My commute is a 20 mile segment which is just long enough to let me see the 70 mpg mark once in a while.

It’s mostly freeway vs. city driving: Freeway (non-stop) miles are in most cases better for FE than city (stop-and-go) miles. My commute is 85% freeway, 15% city. If I worked closer to home -- as my family would like -- my commute would actually take longer due to greater traffic. And driving more city miles would cause a drop in FE.

I’m going against traffic flow: Traffic flow is determined by where you happen to live and work, so you typically either drive with the flow or against it. My situation is the reverse of most people--I live in the city and work in a suburb, so I drive in relatively light traffic since I’m always going opposite the flow. I didn’t plan it this way, just noting it happens to have a major beneficial aspect.

Able to safely drive slower than the flow of traffic: Some freeways are fairly tolerant of slow drivers, as long as you’re in the right hand lane. Other areas are hostile to going anything below the limit. So you have to drive safely, according to the amount of pressure you have on your back. On the freeways I use, I find I rarely get heat going 50-55 mph as I stay in the right lane so cars can go around me. Driving in the carpool lanes with the special hybrid sticker, I’ve found drivers become quite annoyed if they’re stuck behind me when I’m going slower than the #1 lane flow.

Anytime I can drive slower, I do: For 30 years I was a fast, impatient driver and firmly believed it wasn’t possible to change my driving style, any more than I could decide to become left-handed. But I did, after about 6 months of driving behind trucks, and learning to let people in front of me. Now I much prefer the 50-55 mph speed range and stay at the lower end whenever I can do so safely. I am a much more relaxed and happy driver, and am amazed how little extra time I’m sacrificing. If I couldn’t have broken my “normal speed habit” (60-65 mph) there’s no question my FE would be worse off.

Flexible work hours: Flexible hours mean I can leave home early and avoid rush hour, not drive in the middle of it. Also, since I also don’t have to worry about “being late”, I’m less tempted to speed. I could also delay leaving home later on cold mornings, till the temperature rises a bit. However for me, the homeward route is the problem—recently if I don’t leave work by a certain time traffic gets very bad, I suspect due to the earlier winter darkness.

No hills to conquer: Having to handle hills on a daily basis is unfriendly to FE. There are some very hilly sections in L.A., but my commute luckily doesn’t go anywhere near them. As mentioned below, I use another car for weekend driving so my Honda doesn’t take the brunt of hills.

Other Factors

Having another car for short trips, on weekends, and city driving: We have an extra car -- my old Hyundai – and I try to use it whenever possible for weekend and city driving. Since we keep it parked on the street now instead of behind the house, it’s the car of choice for a trip to the store. So I try as much as possible to keep my Honda strictly for commuting. Those short infrequent trips are mileage killers. Yes I have on occasion, heard my husband mutter “she should just put her car up on blocks and then she won’t use any gas.” Which I pretend not to hear.

Non-commuting trips unfortunately also invite more opportunities to add weight to your car. I’m talking about those unavoidable trips like going out to dinner with the family, picking up home-improvement ballast from Home Depot, and going on trips which means both luggage and people. Thankfully I don’t golf or ski so I have no sports equipment to haul around in my trunk. Usually for our social outings, my husband insists on traditional appearances—using his car and he drives. I never argue. ;)

Other family members driving my car: When I first got my Honda, my husband took it for a 10 mile trip every morning before I left for work. Not because he liked my car so much, but it was the only one accessible when he needed it since mine was always “last out” in the driveway. This daily trip of his was the biggest factor in holding back my mileage the first 6 months or so. I admit that when going to work with the car already warmed up, I could pull off some incredible segments that I could rarely match with a cold engine. But those segments couldn’t compensate enough for his bringing down the overall mileage. Now that we keep my old Hyundai parked on the street he’s able to use that one when necessary instead of mine.

Tire pressure: When comparing identical cars, tire pressure is another reason why mileage can vary. The evidence is convincing that to a point, higher pressure will improve FE and there are other advantages as well. Consider the write-up “Driving Under Pressure (http://www.officer.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=19&id=27281)” for a succinct reference.

Having FE instrumentation in the car:

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/506/2006_HCH-II_iFCD.jpgHaving FE instrumentation provides a distinct advantage to the driver. Even though there’s no direct mechanical effect on your car, its presence or absence is a significant factor that can cause two drivers with the same car and driving skills to get different mileage. Without Honda’s built-in hybrid instrumentation, I’d have to wait till my fill up to determine my mileage, and I’d probably lose any interest in increasing it just as quickly as with all my past cars. However, with the gauges and displays, the rat gets either the cheese or the shock immediately, so the learning curve is much faster and --I can attest-- is a lot more exciting for the rat. In fact I would say the hybrid instrumentation is maybe just as important as the actual hybrid engine in helping the driver improve his/her mileage. Many non-hybrid car owners start breaking all their previous FE records once they install a Scan Gauge II or SuperMid.

Obviously, many of these factors are outside my control, and driven mostly by luck or circumstance. But some can be changed depending on motivation, and as circumstances evolve. Slowing down when you can, and investing in a Scan Gauge are examples. Eventually people do move or change their jobs, which affect their commute. The main thing I’m recommending is to simply take these aspects into account as you measure your hypermiling progress. Not having every factor in your favor isn’t necessarily bad—for example, taking your family out to eat and carpooling are obviously good things to do. It just helps to be aware of how these fit in the overall picture.

diamondlarry
01-01-2007, 08:28 AM
Great article! I just wish I could do something about that temperature thing here in northern Indiana.:) I know what your saying about other people driving your car. I got the car I'm driving in late September and out of the ~5K miles it's been driven since then, family members have put 0.0 miles on it. They don't even ask any more.:)

xcel
01-01-2007, 12:49 PM
Hi Tarabell:

___I swear you have detailed my daily grind and thought process’ with the what, when, where, and how to drive for high FE by removing as many external influences that harm it as possible.

Where I live: The Chicago winters are noteworthy for being horrendous although this winter has so far been very mild. Since I live on the far north side of Chicago, we actually have an ~ 10 degree F lower summer peak due to Lake Michigan itself which helps remove the urge for A/C. The Southside driving segments can be brutal however …

Daily: I know every patch of Interstate almost down to the bumps in the road unfortunately.

Solo: It was but I pick up a carpooler almost 60 miles out so it doesn’t affect my FE as much as I thought it would. Unless I pick him up from his home with ~ 10 miles of inner-city mess :(

Distance: 65 miles on average so the warm-up hit is blunted somewhat.

Type: 85% Interstate as well.

Traffic Flow: I travel through Chicago so what I don’t get on one side, I hit on the other. I do use your work hours discussion to my advantage whenever possible.

Speed: 3 to 4 lanes. I am in the far right hanging on the line w/ plenty of room to pass or in some type of draft where my speed would not matter for the most part.

Work Hours: Perfect! This year I worked a 12-hour shift which allows light traffic driving to and from on the day shifts. On the night shifts, I leave upwards of 5 hours early depending on the day (weekend or holiday traffic is light etc.) and coming home, a 2 hour nap before leaving refreshes me somewhat while morning traffic rush has subsided somewhat.

Having another vehicle: Another perfectly written section. The Ranger w/ a stick is a far better all-city/suburb driver then the Accord w/ Auto so when I run short errands, I take her as I can squeeze far more FE out of her on ultra short and cold trips then I can from the Accord.

Family members: They do not even bother asking anymore :D

Tire Pressure: No argument here.

FCD’s: This one is huge. Once I installed an SG-II in the Ranger. She blew out my previous best(s) by over 11% on its first tank with! The numbers were actually stupid once I knew what was going on under the hood vs. driving blind without. Even the Accord’s personal best(s) did not come about until the SG-II was installed as the built in NAVI’s iFCD has a max peak of 50 mpg and Honda may as well painted the iFCD pegged at 50 where it resides 90% of the time at steady cruise during the summer months.

___A great article through and through …

___Good Luck

___Wayne

lightfoot
01-01-2007, 02:35 PM
One factor to add: rain. It was pouring here this morning and that cost me 6-7mpg on my commute to work (yes I'm at work today). The right lane of I-95 is grooved from truck traffic so I tried to stay on the tops of the ruts (center and right edge of the right lane) where the water layer was thinner. That seemed to help a bit.

Otherwise a great article, especially the last paragraph.

xcel
01-01-2007, 02:56 PM
Hi Lightfoot:

___Rain is something we cannot do anything about other then to make sure we do not live in Washington State this past year ;) Seriously however, consider the Beating the EPA - The Why’s and how to Hypermile (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/articles/t-beating-the-epa-the-whys-and-how-to-hypermile-1510.html) article for ways of dealing with rain the best that we know how. RR most certainly will help but when running in close traffic, run in the tracks as the water has already been displaced to a minimum level. You will be actually able to hear the best position on the roadway …

___Good Luck

___Wayne

tarabell
01-02-2007, 03:18 PM
One factor to add: rain.

Rain …of course. I should’ve mentioned that along with the other climate factors. (It was a tough week last week – too many football games on the couch, glasses of champagne, homemade tamales & xmas cookies. And that was at work… ;) )

I’m glad Wayne went over which issues apply in his case and I hope others will do the same, so feel free to join in. That was my hopeful intent --to start a discussion of the advantages and disadvantages that drivers here face on a regular basis.

Now I’m thinking I’ve painted myself into a corner here, since most factors seem to work for me -- I won't have any excuses for mediocre tanks, will I :eek:

psyshack
01-02-2007, 06:46 PM
Once again tarabell's keystroke's are excellent!!!! Great post. :)

I must say the two worse conditions that effect my mpg is.

#1 ME. Yep more times than not ,, Im the problem.

#2 The wind. If the winds get out of hand. I might as well forget about it. The civic doesn't fas well IMO anyway. At least not like the Accord. I will have weeks when I can have a head wind go and coming from work. And the side winds are almost as bad. I'm not speaking of a little breeze. The Insight marathon team knows what kind of winds I'm talking about. We can have the wind setup for a week or two. The last two years have been bad for them. Couple that with no rain. and you can understand the drought we are in here.

The cold doesn't hurt to bad and the rain is manageable also. WAI helps with the cold a lot. Rain,,, I just ride ridge, follow in foot steps and slow down just a bit more and watch the hydroplaning fools have at it. If its a down right toad strangler. There isnt much i can do but survive it.

City driving takes a toll on me also. But this is covered under #1... ME.

There was blood and guts wreck today coming home on hwy 75 south. It hurt my mpg pretty bad. Two miles of beep and creep with folks merging and scrambling down the shoulder and stuff zapped the evening segment. Then there was life flight. And the sheets large and small littered around.

My problem is ME.

Good job tara!

psy

lightfoot
01-03-2007, 01:54 PM
Regarding the last section on instrumentation, one thought that just hit me:

For lower mpg vehicles, it would be helpful to be able to display average mpg as percentages versus a set "target". For a vehicle that normally gets say 15mpg, wringing 18mpg out of it could be a huge achievement. But 3mpg doesn't sound like much. If this were expressed on the display as "+20%" it might be more encouraging for the driver. Perhaps the driver could set the mpg, with the EPA mpg as a default.

Houckster
04-08-2007, 04:45 AM
I just wish I could do something about that temperature thing here in northern Indiana.

I bet it gets cold up there in Indiana.

You can do something about the temperature: get a block heater. It will reduce the time you run in open loop when the engine is at its least efficient state. Even down here in Georgia where the temperature is nothing compared to Indiana, it helps a good deal. Also, this is where synthetic lubricants really shine since they flow so much more easily in cold weather than dino oils typically do reducing the work then engine must do to circulate the oil.

diamondlarry
04-08-2007, 06:11 AM
I purchased and installed a block heater about 2 months ago. I've also used nothing but synthetics since I've owned the car. Very good tips by the way. I really like the block heater but it can still only raise the coolant temp ~30-40F above ambient air temps. Another thing I've noticed about cold air, and I think others here have noticed it too, is that glide times are significantly reduced. When we had some upper 70'sF temps awhile back, I had to adjust the speed that I begin my glides by 5 mph or more in some cases.

basjoos
04-08-2007, 09:17 AM
Even worse than rain is snow. When still in the air it reduces your visibility and the speeds at you can safely coast downhills, so you have to do additional braking that you normally wouldn't be doing. When on the road it is very draggy (especially if it turnes to slush) and its slickness reduces the speeds at which you can safely drive (more braking on downhills). Then if the road crews spray brine on the road, it gets rid of the snow, but brine is much denser than rain water and really drags down your speed when coasting. And the temperatures that are conducive for snow are poor for FE to begin with, so you are already beginning in a deficit.

scottjustice
07-08-2007, 01:05 PM
Wonderfull article. It should be a PSA.

MMM...tamales! I'll be right over.

tigre1983
11-04-2007, 09:22 PM
Is it just me or do some people on this message board have Nempimania?

Shouldn't the goal be reducing overall gallons used, or reducing total emissions created, or reducing total money spent? NOT just getting one vehicle in the stable to have a really high MPG???

If I wanted I could take the wifes car and tow the civic up a hill and coast down, tow it back up and coast down all day long and I would get 10000 mpg....but what does that do for anyone??:confused:

I don't know about you, but I try and use my most fuel efficient vehicle as much as possible. Yes it sucks when I am on a 40+mpg tank, and then the wife and I go somewhere.....and she wants the a/c on, and then add the extra 120lbs.....oh gosh, now we are down to 37mpg.

But you know what? 37 is better than the 20 her car gets, and I know I saved a lot more money even with the slight mpg drop on my car, and isn't that the real goal??

People use the highest efficiency vehicle as much as possible!!!!

desdemona
11-06-2007, 10:45 PM
Tire pressure and scan gauge where the biggest factors in getting what improvements I was able to reach. The only place I can escape hostility from other drivers is my driveway. Anything under 10mph over the speed limit makes people here go nuts; not that I really care.

Actually I am finding that drivers are less hostile to me than they used to be. The only time I ever get honked at now is when I can't start up as fast as I'd like at a stop light.

--des

Harold
11-07-2007, 10:24 AM
Very interesting articale. Thank you, H

ascribe2thelord
01-04-2008, 03:44 PM
Shouldn't the goal be reducing overall gallons used, or reducing total emissions created, or reducing total money spent? NOT just getting one vehicle in the stable to have a really high MPG???

I agree. I think cleanmpg should list both our MPG and the average amount of gas we've consumed per week/month/year. After all, the idea is to reduce gas consumption. Even if you don't win the "game"!:D

koreberg
01-04-2008, 04:04 PM
@tigre1983

My wife won't ride in my car because it is too low and cramped, so I am forced to drive the van. Since the type of car I like to drive differs from the type of car she likes to ride in, I will always be driving her car when there is more than myself in the car.

Although I would love it if my wife would take up the torch, she is reactionary driver, so it would be way outside of her comfort zone to even dwb. That is why when we're together I drive 90% of the time. The other 10% I drink. :D

diamondlarry
01-04-2008, 04:19 PM
I had a discussion on this subject a few weeks ago and it caused me to do some figuring on how much fuel I use per week. I drive ~250 miles/week for work and errands combined. Even with the weather conditions being what they are forcing me down to the 60 mpg range, I only use just over 4 gallons/week. At my current lifetime average of 74.7 mpg, I'm only using 3.3 gallons. Since I bought my car I have actually reduced my weekly driving by 25 or more miles per week. The person I was talking with said that anyone who uses 5 gallons/week is doing better than the vast majority of people. I agree that the better plan is to reduce overall use of fuel.

koreberg
01-04-2008, 05:16 PM
I used about 2.5 gallons per week in my car. I have no idea how much we used in the van. But I would guess it is more than 3 gallons.

Right Lane Cruiser
01-04-2008, 06:23 PM
Hm. Interesting numbers to think about.

My last tank was 742.5mi --> This was over 24 days so that comes out at an average of 30.9mi/day or 216.6mi/week.

Over that time period I used 15g --> Over 24 days that is an average of 0.625g/day or about 4.4g/week.

Not too bad! My best tank average was a lot of miles over only 19 days so it was all the way up at 6.6g/week.

Driving less is obviously a better route, but jacking up the average as much as possible helps.

laurieaw
01-04-2008, 08:02 PM
basing my commute on about 90 miles a day, and using my lifetime average for the car, i come up with 8 gallons a week. seems a little higher than you guys have listed, but i do have a long commute. the amount i use will go down considerably when it warms up and i can get the snow tires off. i am OK with the number, since i am sure some of the trucks that go past me use that much in one day.......how do they afford it?



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