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Well, I was accused about lying about my MPG yesterday on priuschat.com. Heaven forbid that someone get 800+ miles to a tank on a prius.

Truely, I don't care what the other individual thinks, but it is just the principal of being called a troll and liar that irritates me.

What is really to be gained from accusations without merit. I have posted screen shots of all of my 800 mile tanks, and a couple that showed over 70 mpg averages. How the heck would I fake the average mpg number on the consumption screen?

Oh well, I know what I can do. Sorry to rant.

Ignore him. The guy who insinuated you were a troll seems to delight in being PC's resident curmudgeon. Anytime someone posts asking a question that might have it's answer in the manual, he responds with some snarky version of RTFM. Although in other areas he's been quite informative.

As you've seen, he's certainly not representative of the PC community. Most of us are just jealous of how well you're doing.

I know I am. :)

Sorry to hear about that Chris. I'll have to look for that thread and give a little post. Just keep doing your best. Remember, a lot of the posters on PC drive the Prius like their past cars and have no concept of the MPG possibilities, they just whine that they only get X MPG. Too bad you didn't have a Prius and posted to PC about 2 years ago, trying to understand and achieve high MPG was in fashion then.

Wayne

VaBeachPrius,

Have you posted a picture of one of your tanks or segments? A date stamp on the picture might help.

That would be harder to refute. Your skeptic at PC would either back off or start looking silly.

About 1.5 years ago when I first had a segment over 85mpg, I made sure to take a picture and post it. At the time it kind of seemed odd to hear hypermiling experiences from me.

Chris

Sorry to hear you got hit with BS like that.

In the FE Community we have a real good idea of what can or cant be done with our respected auto's and talents. Your auto is a good one and your talents are many.

Good Job!

psy

Two things; thank you for your support and the people that take "standard" cars like a metro, civic Vx, pickup truck, etc. and blow epa numberes; now that is a talent. The prius has the lazy man feature to FAS "automatically" and a battery pack to assist.

I guess my accuser is not going to like when I post another 800 mile tank next week and a 900 mile tank in the spring.:)

FireEngineer,

Try not to be disappointed that I don't get a 900 mile tank even with a block heater. :)

If I break a 1000 miles per tank; do I get a prize? :D

Hi Chris:

___I am sorry you had to go through this as well. If you would like some support, feel free to provide a link and many us will go over and put a little heat on the troll. I detest those types of close minded individuals but do enjoy a good head to head whenever the opportunity arises. A little gangland action may actually turn this guy around the “right” side of higher fuel efficiency and lowering emissions for all our sakes!

___Try not to let it bother you. In fact, try and use that posts venom for motivation as you hold on to your great FE through the winter months!

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Sad to say, the guy giving Chris a hard time is near where I live. He does have this nice picture of his Chinchilla Persian - looks like the Fancy Feast cat, which is also looks like Ms Vicky's mom

http://www.spencerthelion.com/images/ms%20vicky%20jumping%20the%20back%20yard.jpg

Ms Vicky, while nice does not put up with nonsense. As you see she is already seeking him out. :eek:

Hypermiling is a whole other world to a lot of people. For instance. At work I was asked if I'm still into that driving for mileage game. I told him I was. He asked me my mileage and I lowered my head and complained last take was only 40. And then defended it by saying it was the gas and temperatures. He saw how I looked when I said 40 and was like 40! You get 40mpg? Like it was something I should be proud of.

Lots of people just have low standards. I like this community because it is all about raising the bar for ourselves. And it is rare if ever do you hear someone criticize someone about their mileage.

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Lots of people just have low standards. I like this community because it is all about raising the bar for ourselves. And it is rare if ever do you hear someone criticize someone about their mileage.

This is also one of my favorite things about this community. I also greatly appreciate the fact that people don't post results in a way that makes them look like they are bragging or better than everyone else. It's more like, "Hey, this is what I did/what's possible."

Hi All:

___I made my peace in that thread with links and pics but saw Dan got there first …

___Chuck, thanks for the location link in the members forum!

___Chris, that was a mild attack vs. some of the real humdingers we have participated in previously. You should read back into some of the Edmunds forums a few years ago to see some real heat being tossed about ;)

___Larry, that 69.9 segment you pulled in the Saturn the other day was white hot too :D

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Wayne, thanks. I really need to start posting my results from the weekends. This past weekend I pulled off a 74.* on the segment that I got 69.9 on. The last time I refilled, the SG was under-reporting. I wonder what kind of remarks I would get if I posted results like that on PC. ;)

Thank you for the responses on behalf of VaBeachPrius. :)

I think it's taken care of.

Thank you.

86 mpg over 1000+ miles! I thought I was doing well.

Remember, a lot of the posters on PC drive the Prius like their past cars and have no concept of the MPG possibilities, they just whine that they only get X MPG. Too bad you didn't have a Prius and posted to PC about 2 years ago, trying to understand and achieve high MPG was in fashion then.And a lot of us just drive the Prius and don't whine about our MPG. There's a lot of members on PC that are perfectly happy getting around 45. Yes, there's whiners. And there are MPG fanatics. But I've found the majority of the members there are perfectly happy with whatever they're getting.

I hope you're not suggesting that simply because someone owns a Prius that maximizing MPG should be their primary concern.

___I am sorry you had to go through this as well. If you would like some support, feel free to provide a link and many us will go over and put a little heat on the troll. I detest those types of close minded individuals but do enjoy a good head to head whenever the opportunity arises. A little gangland action may actually turn this guy around the “right” side of higher fuel efficiency and lowering emissions for all our sakes!Wayne - I find this reaction, especially without having read the thread yet, a little excessive. The entire thread, prior to the doubter, was positive. Also, the doubter isn't a troll. He's a long-time member of PC who has many informative posts under his belt. To chalk him up as a troll with only the knowledge that he doubted Chris's numbers is unfair. I also find your call to "gangland action" to be over the top and borderline bullying. If someone doubts that these kind of numbers are real, that's their problem. As the saying goes, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

I'm glad you didn't follow through on what you're advocating above. The responses were all respectable and that's always the best way to go.

Hypermiling is a whole other world to a lot of people. For instance. At work I was asked if I'm still into that driving for mileage game. I told him I was. He asked me my mileage and I lowered my head and complained last take was only 40. And then defended it by saying it was the gas and temperatures. He saw how I looked when I said 40 and was like 40! You get 40mpg? Like it was something I should be proud of.

Lots of people just have low standards. I like this community because it is all about raising the bar for ourselves. And it is rare if ever do you hear someone criticize someone about their mileage.Forgive me for any impertinence, but this sounds really elitist. As if you're somehow "better" because you choose to hypermile and others don't. You seem to be insinuating that people who don't drive for mileage have low standards. I don't think driving for mileage has anything to do with standards. It's a matter of priorities. I choose not to hypermile in my Prius. Does that mean I have low standards or that maximizing my MPGs isn't my biggest driving priority?

And to the average person, 40 MPG, even in a HCH, is something to be proud of. If I were to say I was getting 45 in my Prius people would still be amazed. I'd be disappointed, but I'd understand their amazement. Remember, most of them aren't getting anywhere near that. Back when I was getting 18 in my Cherokee, if someone told me they were getting 40 in anything I would have been impressed. Now that I'm averaging between 50 & 55, I'm still impressed by 40.

All of this goes to what I was talking about in my "Common Man" thread. Supporting people in their quest for better FE is admirable. Belittling or scoffing at people who don't make that a priority is petty and unseemly. And will turn off people who are interested in getting better FE, but aren't as interested in pushing it as far as they can.

Sorry Proco if my post seemed harsh. I was just pointing out to Chris that PriusChat has changed some focus over the years I've been on it. Earlier adopters were interested in the higher MPG and how to get it, even if they did not achieve it. And they were supportive of those who did. Now, a good many newer members don't want to be reminded that their MPG falls short (in this case way short) of a fellow Prius owner. Yes, many people are satisfied with their MPG. I was speaking with a newer Prius owner at the Chicago Hybrid Meet-up who has a 3 mile commute and is happy with her 38 MPG. She in turn was sad with me that my MPG went from 62 to 52 MPG with our recent snow and sub-freezing temps. She can't get my MPG but she is not berating my MPG, I in turn offered her help if she wants it to try to squeeze some more MPG but did not tell her she's not trying.

Wayne

Proco,

Good points you made.

I don't think Tom was trying to sound elitist - he's not that kind of guy. Let me attempt to restate his remarks.

We also realize not everyone is going to hypermile, but we can still help those that don't hypermile farther on a gallon of gas. On occassion, I have to go faster on my trips, even going maybe 10mph over the posted limit. The hypermiling techniques get me about 15% farther on a gallon in those situations.

There might have been a tackless comment or two, but when we went over to PC or TDI as apolologists for hypermileing and/or hybrids, we were on good behavior - no "goon squads".

Chuck,

From what I've seen of everyone's posts throughout this site, I know pretty much everyone here is on the side of gentle encouragement. Whether it's a 10% increase from 20 -> 22 or from 50 -> 55, it's always celebrated. And if someone slides, pretty much everyone is supportive.

I'd be disheartened to think that anyone who doesn't drive for FE or doubts your FE claims is viewed as part of the "unwashed masses".

Wayne - I find this reaction, especially without having read the thread yet, a little excessive. The entire thread, prior to the doubter, was positive. Also, the doubter isn't a troll. He's a long-time member of PC who has many informative posts under his belt. To chalk him up as a troll with only the knowledge that he doubted Chris's numbers is unfair. I also find your call to "gangland action" to be over the top and borderline bullying. If someone doubts that these kind of numbers are real, that's their problem. As the saying goes, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

I agree with you here. I think I even mentioned this earlier in my post.

Forgive me for any impertinence, but this sounds really elitist. As if you're somehow "better" because you choose to hypermile and others don't.
I was just reporting facts. For a lot of people getting 30+ mpg is good mileage. If my attitude sounds elitist, so be it. I didn't judge his mileage. He knows how I drive and said "I can't drive slower than 65." I told him that he should just do what he feels comfortable with.

If someone doubts the MPG of someone that hypermiles and they themselves don't understand how the person does it then they are the "unwashed masses" because they realy don't know what they are talking about. Rather than doubing they should try to find out why the person claims the numbers they are getting. And why did he have to post about doubting the numbers except to try to get support from others. He could have just doubted it without posting.

I just wish people with a long history of owning a Prius and being on a Prius centered website would know what is and isn't possible with a prius. Has he even heard about the Prius Marathon where the tank mpg was >100MPG?

I'm not trying to attack or anything, but it realy seems unfair to doubt great MPG which shows the Prius in a great light. I would have thought he would be enthusiastic and asking questions on how he did it.

Hi Proco:

Wayne - I find this reaction, especially without having read the thread yet, a little excessive. The entire thread, prior to the doubter, was positive. Also, the doubter isn't a troll. He's a long-time member of PC who has many informative posts under his belt. To chalk him up as a troll with only the knowledge that he doubted Chris's numbers is unfair. I also find your call to "gangland action" to be over the top and borderline bullying. If someone doubts that these kind of numbers are real, that's their problem. As the saying goes, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

I'm glad you didn't follow through on what you're advocating above. The responses were all respectable and that's always the best way to go.
___When I saw the title of this thread, you can be sure I was readying for battle. With Chuck’s link provided in another thread later on in the afternoon, Chris simply overemphasized what was going on over at PC. If someone had blatantly accused him of lying as I had first thought given the title, it would not have mattered if the perpetrator was a 3 year member w/ 4,000 + posts or a brand new 2 poster. That kind of provocation would demand an immediate response and I would have had no problem providing the firepower! Fortunately for all, there was only a minor accusatory tone (no real heat so to speak) and only a minor bit of persuasive discussion arose from it. If there was anything of substance, I suspect PC members would have been all over the thread with their own measured responses as would be the right thing to do.

___Either way, my guard is up for that kind of activity far into the foreseeable future when it comes to both CleanMPG’s mission and its members.

___With that out of the way, I would hope that no one would ever just settle for a given FE no matter the vehicle they are currently driving. As I push, pull, and tug some of our membership to do even better, I have overstepped my bounds multiple times. I try not to chastise members for not reaching a particular goal given it may not even be possible given ones commute, distance, weather conditions, traffic and/or circumstances beyond our control but it is disheartening to see someone just give up. I simply expect an environmentally sensitive or fuel conscious minded member to give a little more then 0% when the opportunity arises is all. We all have slumps and/or situations that arise where we throw in the towel and say to ourselves what is the point. Just ask Tom as I have had more then my fair share of those periods ;) When they arise however, we only need to post here for support. As a community, I am sure it would be provided without a second thought!

___If you have the time, read Antrey’s thread entitled Recent Fuel Economy Experience in my 9-2x Aero (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2963). Some of the sacrifices he made to achieve the FE that he did shows he was not about to throw his hands in the air and say WTF. That is the type of story that provides me with inspiration. I hope others view his as well as others posts about reaching for a better outcome in a similar light. The results not only speak for themselves, it provides positive reinforcement for the next ordeal anyone of us may face the next time we get behind the wheel.

___Good Luck

___Wayne

as long your not racing for the red light, you have my respect, hahaha okay there maybe in a million years! Its been so long since I"ve seen people around my area that didn't SLOW DOWN for the red light unless it was the very last moment of distance they can go fast at before slamming head on with the car in front of them.

One can dream, as long as one understands its all good.