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Chuck
10-19-2009, 01:51 PM
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/2/AmericanFlag.jpg At 22,000 miles up, a geostationary satellite is in full sunlight virtually all the time. (http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2184)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/GPS_Sattelite.jpgMichael D. Lemonick - YALE (http://e360.yale.edu) - Aug 31, 2009

This will probably will rely on manned spaceflight and NASA's recent record on that is like GM this decade --Ed.

But there is a way to tap into the sun’s energy 24 hours a day, every day of the year, and send it anywhere on the globe: Launch solar panels into space and beam the power back to Earth.

The concept sounds far-fetched and wildly impractical, and when the Pentagon and space enthusiasts began talking about it back in the 1960s and 1970s, it was. Recently, however, the idea of space-based solar power, or SBSP, has begun to look less like science fiction and more like a technology whose time may be coming, with the Pentagon and private companies ramping up efforts to make space-based solar power a reality.... http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2184

Parasite
10-19-2009, 02:00 PM
I am a BIG fan of SBSP.

brick
10-19-2009, 02:18 PM
Hmmm...satellites with frickin' laser beams. I feel like maybe there are lower-hanging fruit on the great solar vine.

Nevyn
10-19-2009, 02:48 PM
Hmmm...satellites with frickin' laser beams. I feel like maybe there are lower-hanging fruit on the great solar vine.

You mean like sharks with lasers?:p:p

Chuck
10-19-2009, 02:51 PM
Hmmm...satellites with frickin' laser beams. I feel like maybe there are lower-hanging fruit on the great solar vine.Deployed from this platform (http://www.sixtyandsolar.com/files/sixtyandsolar/imagecache/node_display/story_pics/Bob_in_Space.jpg)? :D

Parasite
10-19-2009, 05:08 PM
SBSP is one of the low hanging fruits of the Space economy, even if they are at GeoStationary orbit. {Sorry... A space joke}

One good thing, they don't produce Shade. I bet people would be up in arms if we start to carpet over the deserts with solar panels in a serious way.

It would be cool to have your microwave reciever on the back of your car. Recharge direct while you drive. It could extend the current ranges of electric cars as now proposed. I bet there are problems like the microwaves being too weak to keep a good charge, but it is fun to dream.

Chuck
10-19-2009, 05:12 PM
Of course, some nations would think we are really deploying a weapon, particularly the Russians.

fuzzy
10-19-2009, 05:58 PM
... It would be cool to have your microwave reciever on the back of your car. Recharge direct while you drive. It could extend the current ranges of electric cars as now proposed. I bet there are problems like the microwaves being too weak to keep a good charge, but it is fun to dream.

I suspect that it would be rather warm, not cool, sort of like being in a low powered microwave oven.

Keeping a dispersed microwave pattern strong enough to collect useful power for transportation, yet weak enough to meet radiation exposure limits, will be extremely challenging. More likely the beam will be strongly focused on a specific ground receiver, with no humans allowed to live nearby. The wild animals will be expected to move on through fairly quickly.

Chuck
10-19-2009, 06:12 PM
I suspect that it would be rather warm, not cool, sort of like being in a low powered microwave oven.

Keeping a dispersed microwave pattern strong enough to collect useful power for transportation, yet weak enough to meet radiation exposure limits, will be extremely challenging. More likely the beam will be strongly focused on a specific ground receiver, with no humans allowed to live nearby. The wild animals will be expected to move on through fairly quickly.That or Tyson would open a chicken farm there. :p

Indigo
10-20-2009, 07:29 AM
That or Tyson would open a chicken farm there. :p

How about killing two birds with one stone? You could have the receiving station be part of a water-purification facility. The microwave energy could generate electricity and sterilize the drinking water at the same time.

Indigo
10-20-2009, 07:30 AM
Of course, some nations would think we are really deploying a weapon, particularly the Russians.

I think there was a James Bond movie with that theme, hee hee ;)

Earthling
10-20-2009, 10:57 AM
I'll open up a tin foil hat store.

Harry

Tochatihu
10-20-2009, 07:19 PM
Geostationary is not the most debris-littered orbital level but it's not clean either. These solar sats, by definition, have to be large area and inexpensive. So I predict them quickly damaged, less power output, etc. Problem is that a debris hit can generate secondary fragments.

GEO has been the site of some spectacular collisions already. Perhaps it's better to reduce the current debris field before planning to launch new, giant 'targets'.

DAS

Chuck
10-20-2009, 08:15 PM
Geostationary is not the most debris-littered orbital level but it's not clean either. These solar sats, by definition, have to be large area and inexpensive. So I predict them quickly damaged, less power output, etc. Problem is that a debris hit can generate secondary fragments.

GEO has been the site of some spectacular collisions already. Perhaps it's better to reduce the current debris field before planning to launch new, giant 'targets'.

DAS :(

Wikipedia says there are already tens of millions of space junk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_junk).

On the other hand, lets launch lots of garbage and stop Global Warming! :D

Doofus McFancyPants
10-21-2009, 10:59 AM
Is the amount of solar energy loss through our atmosphere great enough to outweigh the additional energy COSTS to develop and mantain such a system?


Read a SciFi story where they had developed a series of solar collectors which were NOT in GEO orbit - but would transmit to specific ground based stations across the globe. with enough of these Small Sats - they could deliver power 24 x 7 to several locations. Could solve the Orbital Debris issue ( have them in a different orbit plane)

Tochatihu
10-22-2009, 09:16 PM
I don't think there is an orbital level or plane inclination that is free of (anthropogenic) debris any more. One of the most regrettable debis-creation events:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_missile_test

Unfortunately, that stuff is quite hgih and so won't get dragged into the atmosphere for a long time.

Y'all know that the int'l space station has to be moved to dodge chunks one to several times per year, yes?

DAS

drimportracing
10-23-2009, 02:22 AM
Anyone remember Asteroids (http://www.play.vg/games/4-Asteroids.html)? :D - Dale

xcel
11-01-2009, 01:04 AM
Hi All:

___Besides the junk, I can just imagine one little screw up by a hit or some gyros going nuts and this thing spins off it axis even a thousandth of a degree and I do not want to be in the area.

___It would make one heck of a sci-fi thriller as a beam cuts a swath a few meters wide while cooking everything in its path for miles and miles :D

___Good Luck

___Wayne



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