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xcel
09-16-2009, 09:00 AM
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/2/AmericanFlag.jpg US_FE standards are being reviewed for another increase. (cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?p=232983)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/2010_Ford_FocusECOnetic.jpgWayne Gerdes - CleanMPG (cleanmpg.com) - Sept. 16, 2009

On the same day the US preps for 27 mpgUS combined actual by 2016, Ford of Europe launches its 62 mpgUS combined on the NEDC, Ford Focus ECOnetic :rolleyes:

New Interagency Program to Address Climate Change and Energy Security

Hidden as noise beneath the Tsunami called Frankfurt yesterday was something a bit more apropos for the US consumer and automobile manufacturers. A joint statement given by U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) Secretary Ray LaHood and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Administrator Lisa P. Jackson proposed a rule establishing a national program that would improve vehicle fuel economy and reduce greenhouse gases. Their proposal builds upon core principles President Obama announced with automakers, the United Auto Workers, leaders in the environmental community, governors and state officials in May, and would provide coordinated national vehicle fuel efficiency and emissions standards. The proposed program would also conserve billions of barrels of oil, save consumers money at the pump, increase fuel economy, and reduce millions of tons of greenhouse gas emissions.

“American drivers will keep more money in their pockets, put less pollution into the air, and help reduce a dependence on oil that sends billions of dollars out of our economy every year,” said EPA Administrator Lisa P. Jackson. “By bringing together a broad coalition of stakeholders -- including an unprecedented partnership with American automakers -- we have crafted a path forward that is win-win for our health, our environment, and our economy. Through that partnership, we’ve taken the historic step of proposing the nation’s first ever greenhouse gas emissions standards for vehicles, and moved substantially closer to an efficient, clean energy future.”

“The increases in fuel economy and the reductions in greenhouse gases we are proposing today would bring about a new era in automotive history,” Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said. “These proposed standards would help consumers save money at the gas pump, help the environment, and decrease our dependence on oil – all while ensuring that consumers still have a full range of vehicle choices.”

Under the proposed program covering model years 2012 through 2016, automobile manufacturers would have to manufacture automobiles to meet a single, light-duty national fleet average that would satisfy all federal requirements as well as the standards of California and other states. The collaboration of federal agencies for this proposal also allows for clearer rules for all automakers, instead of three standards (DOT, EPA, and a state standard).

Program Specifics
Increase fuel economy by approximately five percent every year.

Reduce greenhouse gas emissions by nearly 950 million metric tons.

Save the average car buyer more than $3000 in fuel costs.

Conserve 1.8 billion barrels of oil.
Increasing Fuel Economy

The proposed national program would require model year 2016 vehicles to meet an estimated combined average emission level of 250g CO2/mile. Under the proposed program, the overall light-duty vehicle fleet would reach 35.5 miles per gallon (mpgUS) in model year 2016, if all reductions were made through fuel economy improvements. If this occurs, Congress’ fuel economy goal of 35.0 mpg by 2020 will be met four years ahead of schedule. This would surpass the CAFE law passed by Congress in 2007 which required an average fuel economy of 35 mpg in 2020.

Saving the consumer money

NHTSA and EPA estimate that the average US consumers who purchase their vehicle outright would save enough in lower fuel costs over the first three years to offset the increases in vehicle costs. Consumers would save more than $3,000 due to fuel savings over the lifetime of a model year 2016 vehicle.

Conserve Oil and Increase Energy Security

The light-duty vehicles subject to this proposed National Program account for about 40 percent of all US oil consumption. The program will provide important energy security benefits by conserving 1.8 billion barrels of oil, which is twice the amount of oil (crude oil and products) imported in 2008 from the Persian Gulf countries, according to the DoE’s EIA Office. These standards also provide important energy security benefits as light-duty vehicles account for about 60 percent of transportation oil use.

Within the Auto Industry’s Reach

Both the EPA and NHTSA have worked closely to develop this coordinated joint proposal and have met with many stakeholders including automakers to insure the standards proposed today are both aggressive and achievable given the current financial state of the auto industry.

NHTSA and EPA expect automobile manufacturers would meet these proposed standards by improving engine efficiency, transmissions and tires, as well as increasing the use of start-stop technology and improvements in air conditioning systems. EPA and NHTSA also anticipate that these standards would promote the more widespread use of advanced fuel-saving technologies like hybrid vehicles and clean diesel engines.

Problematic statements

What’s missing from the joint response is the deceptive methods in which FE is measured per the DOT CAFÉ’ standards. The average FE uses pre 1985 FE data achieved on the FTP75 (city) and HWFET (highway) tests without offsets or inclusion of the more aggressive and real world drive cycles introduced since that time. While the actual US fleet average is in the 20.5 mpg range, CAFÉ rules reveal that we have achieved approximately 27 mpg today.

This Fuel Economy “GAP” has been at the heart of US Fuel economy rule making for years and continues even to this day. The gap allows US manufacturers to underachieve in our home market placing the US manufacturers at a competitive disadvantage against foreign competitors. With the inability to sell US products in foreign countries thanks to their more aggressive and real world demands for much lower fuel consumption already in place, US manufacturers have been losing market share and US manufacturing jobs thanks in part to the cooked books and relatively past, present and future low Fuel Economy targets.

GM Response

A strong, single national fuel economy standard will benefit consumers and automakers alike by helping get more clean and efficient vehicles on the road quickly and more affordably. We will work closely with the Administration throughout the rulemaking process to support the historic agreement that GM and the auto industry reached last May. Greater consistency and certainty among a variety of regulations will help a new GM execute its current product plan centered on new technologies and more highly fuel efficient and quality cars and trucks.

NADA (National Automobile Dealers Association) response

"NADA strongly supports continuous improvements in fuel economy for passenger vehicles and light trucks pursuant to a single national standard. A single, national fuel economy standard is the best way to meet America's greenhouse gas and energy security challenges. However, NADA is concerned that the Administration has chosen a needlessly complicated and burdensome path involving three different agencies (NHTSA, EPA, and the California Air Resources Board) each regulating fuel economy under three different statutes. For example, under California's fuel economy rule, certain models could be restricted in certain states, which would limit consumer choice. NADA will closely review today's proposal and comment on any provisions which could treat competing dealers unfairly or impose unnecessary and undue burdens on dealership operations."

AIAM (Association of International Automobile Manufacturers) response

"AIAM and its member companies have long supported a single, national program to improve fuel economy and reduce greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions. Today's release of the proposed harmonized national standards for GHG emissions and fuel economy by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), respectively, is a welcome step toward implementation of that critically important program.

"Due to the length and complexity of the materials released today, we won't be able to comment immediately on their content, but we certainly appreciate the efforts of this Administration, especially the EPA and NHTSA, as well as other participants, in laying out a coordinated path toward a cleaner, more fuel efficient and less energy-dependent future."

While European manufacturers including Audi, BMW, Fiat, Ford, MB, Opel, Peugeot, Smart, Toyota and VW are showing off their latest wares in Frankfurt including their latest 60 mpgUS + wonders available today, we strive for a real world 27 mpg by 2016 with the proposed rules. IS it any wonder the Asians are having such a tough time in Europe while our own manufacturers are having such a tough time here in the US?

Robert Lastick
09-16-2009, 09:24 AM
It is absolutely criminal that this vehicle, made by the FORD MOTOR COMPANY, an AMERICAN COMPANY, and other 60+ MPG vehicles, is not available in this country. Impartial investigations should take place immediately to root out the sources of this obvious restraint of trade. Somehow I think one will find oil industry lobbying at the bottom of this.

Earthling
09-16-2009, 01:27 PM
I feel your pain, Bob.

The wife wants a new car that is made in America.

Okay, so when can we buy a Fiesta? How about a Euro ECOBoost Focus?

What a bunch of &*#@!

Harry

chilimac02
09-16-2009, 03:03 PM
what's the conversion for 62mpg on the NEDC to the test that we use here in America?

xcel
09-16-2009, 03:14 PM
Hi Chilimac02:

___About 51 mpgUS combined on the 08 EPA. I have to be careful with this however but it is in favor of the Europeans...

___The 2010 Prius-III is rated at 50 mpgUS combined on our own 08 EPA cycles. The Prius however is not really capable of 70 mpg on the highway whereas the Focus and Fiesta ECOnetic's are worth possibly 100 mpg. A Diesel absolutely smashes the EPA numbers whereas Hybrids sometimes have a tough time to match them by the untrained and unwashed masses ;)

___Good Luck

___Wayne

PaleMelanesian
09-16-2009, 03:44 PM
I really don't understand why there hasn't been a gradual increase in standards over the years. Since the 70's we've had the same FE requirements, so of course we haven't made any progress. I think that's the best idea presented here - increase the MPG requirement slightly each and every year.

aaronl
09-17-2009, 06:04 PM
This article suggests that the program will make cars more expensive. This seems like total nonsense to me. Historically some of the most efficient cars have been among the cheapest, such as the Geo Metro and Toyota Echo. If the standard was much more demanding, or there was a mandate for BEVs/PHEVs, I could see costs increasing, but I don't think this is the case. All the automakers need to do is stop making obese, overpowered vehicles. As Wayne pointed out, they seem to manage alright in Europe.

ALS
09-17-2009, 09:48 PM
The problem we have over here is the public's resistance to diesel automobiles.
No manufacture is going to make the multi million dollar investment to import a line of diesel automobiles and end up selling only 3,000-4,000 a year. They would lose their asses as they say on that decision. It is isn't the car but all the infrastructure that needs to be in place before the first car hits the shore.

Training of several technicians in each of their dealerships to work on diesel is no small task in it's self. You just sent two techs to school for two or three weeks. Full pay, plus transportation and housing, another few grand for tools and manuals for use in repairing these cars. All this to service the 10 cars you might sell this year.

When I was in sales in the mid-eighties I use to deal with car dealerships on a limited basis. There were a few owners of small town Chevrolet dealers that would go off on how every year they were having to invest $1,200-$1,500 for tools and equipment that was required for the Corvettes that they sold. How would you like to be one of those dealers that sold less than five Corvettes a year? Would you like to stand there and look at money you invested in tools that haven't moved off the wall, shelf or a $300-$500 set of manuals that haven't been opened even once in five years.



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