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2007 Honda Accord Hybrid

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/508/06_Honda_Accord_Hybrid_Front_Corner.jpg

Pricing:

Accord Hybrid $31,090
Hybrid with Navigation $33,090
Destination $595

Bike Attachment $128
Removable Roof Rack $270
Ski/Snowboard Attachment $139
Car Cover $210
Door Edge Guards $64
Door Visors $129
Fenderwell Trim $75
Full Nose Mask $155
Half Nose Mask $72
Splash Guards $94
Fog Lights $330
Gold Exhaust Finisher $85

Engineering:

Engine Type: V6
Engine Block/Cylinder Head: Aluminum-Alloy
Displacement (cc): 2997
Horsepower @ rpm (SAE net, Rev 8/04): 253 @ 6000
Torque (lb.-ft. @ rpm): 232 @ 5000
Redline (rpm): 6800
Bore and Stroke (mm): 86x86
Compression Ratio: 10.5:1
Valvetrain: 24-Valve SOHC i-VTEC (R)
Multi-Point Fuel Injection
Drive-by-Wire Throttle System ™
Front-Wheel Drive
Idle-Stop Feature
Variable Cylinder Management ™ (VCM ™)
Active Control Engine Mount System (ACM)
Active Noise Cancellation (ACN)
CARB Emissions Rating: AT-PZEV
EPA Emissions Rating: Tier II/Bin2
Direct Ignition System with Immobilizer
100,000-Miles-or-More Tune-Up Interval*

IMA Electric Motor/Generator

Horsepower: 16 HP @ 840 RPM
Torque: 100 lb.-ft. @ 840 RPM

IMA Power Storage

Ni-MH
Voltage: 144 V
Rated Cap: 6.0 Ah

Transmissions:

Gear Ratios

5-Speed Automatic Transmission

1st: 2.685 2nd: 1.565 3rd: 1.023 4th: 0.729 5th: 0.530 Final Drive 4.375
Reverse: 1.888

Body/Suspension/Chassis:

Unit-Body Construction
Double Wishbone Front Suspension
Five-Link Double Wishbone Rear Suspension
Stabilizer Bar (mm., front/rear): 25.4/14.0
Electric Power-Assisted Rack-and-Pinion Steering (EPS)
Steering Wheel Turns, Lock-to-Lock: 3.17
Steering Ratio: 16.25:1
Turning Diameter, Curb-to-Curb (ft.): 36.1
Power-Assisted Ventilated Front Disc/Solid Rear Disc Brakes (in.):

Wheels: 16" Lightweight Alloy
All-Season Tires: P215/60 R16 94V
Compact Spare Tire

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/508/06_Accord_SDN_EXL_Interior.jpg

Interior Measurements:

Headroom (in., front/rear): 38.3/36.8
Legroom (in., front/rear): 42.6/36.8
Shoulder Room (in., front/rear): 56.9/56.1
Hiproom (in., front/rear): 54.6/53.5
Cargo Volume (cu. ft., seat up/down): 11.2
Passenger Volume (cu. ft.): 102.7
Seating Capacity: 5

Exterior Measurements:

Wheelbase (in.): 107.9
Length (in.): 191.1
Height (in.): 57.2
Width (in.): 71.6
Track (in., front/rear): 61.1/61.2
Curb Weight (lbs.): 3605
Weight Distribution (%, front/rear, AT): 61/39
Cd: 0.29

EPA Mileage Estimates/Capacities:

5-Speed Automatic (City/Highway): 28/35
Crankcase (qt.): 5.3
Coolant System (qt.): 8.9
Fuel (gal.): 17.1
Required Fuel: Regular Unleaded

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/508/06_Honda_Accord_Hybrid_Left_Rear_Corner.jpg

It seems to me that a 16 HP IMA doesn't really have enough "oomph" to make a big difference in the performance characteristics of a 250+ HP v6 ICE. I wonder why the Accord has a 16 HP IMA while the Civic's IMA has 20 HP?

Ashen, consider it is 16hp of low end torque. Compare the 2006 accord hybrid with the v8 mustange gt. I suspect it will be a close race if not having the accord beat it in a race. Also, the FE will be about double in the accord.

man there's this v6 hybrid at my work with really nice rims in white.... i'm jealous!!! although i'm sure the speed will break any efforts put into hypermiling unless someone like Wayne was under the wheel of it ;)

Man what a car. I think I will just go out and buy myself one.

Oh I did already did. :woot:

Hi All,

More often than not, when I hear discussions about the Accord hybrid, some people will give all the negatives to the design approach taken by Honda for this automobile. The engine's too big for fuel economy, it can not drive off in electric only mode, etc. That's all true from a purely FE perspective. I've just been looking more closely at the details (I'm studying all hybrids), and there is so much good "stuff" in there. Taking just one example, the valve technology along with cylinder deactivation should make this a great highway vehicle. And the power is there if one ever wanted or needed it. I looked at the EPA mileage rating site and the member tank logs here and it appears 40+ mpg is possible. Isn't that Camry hybrid territory? Is this vehicle underrated/underappreciated? It certainly did not sell well. As such, there seem to be a few bargains out there for used Accord hybrids. When compared to regular high-end Accords, the value seems especially so.

What do you think?

cheers,
Bill

Hi Bill:

___Owning the non-hybrid I-4 with every bell and whistle other than I have a prop rod hood vs. the springs and am missing a rear trunk lid interior insulated panel, for all intents and purposes, the AH and the loaded up I4 are identical feature for feature. While DWL in the 50 mph range, the Hybrid could add another 2 to 3 over the I4 out on the highway. You cannot FAS the AH unless coming to a stop as a large percentage of the time, a bug appeared where you would lock out OD for the following pulse unless you came to a stop and cycled the vehicle with a Key Off and On with the Tranny in P. This makes it a no go for anyone here. Anybody that uses more than 160 HP in an Accord is driving way beyond their ability so the V6 power is an absolute waste in terms of both performance and $’s of fuel running through all 6 when on the pedal.

___Down the road performance … There is a slight audible rumble when running on 3-cyl that the out of phase stereo system does not entirely compensate for. Around town, the AH will not hang on to the 3-cylinder VCM worth a damn and without the ability to FAS … I think you get the idea.

___Cost. Brand new, I paid $23 for the 05 fully loaded (EX-L w/ NAVI) whereas the AH cost upwards of $30 - $32K for the same. Used? I do not bother following used AH prices but I know whoever purchased them new have taken a beating on trade in. If you were a mostly highway driver, did not want to use even the most basic of techniques and the price of an AH (with or without NAVI) was the same as the equivalent EX-L w/ NAVI or EX-L, it should make your short list. I doubt you will find much of the above to be the case in the used car market place however.

___You cannot pick up a vehicle with the amenities the I4 EX-L w/ NAVI/AH w/ NAVI included for the cost anywhere. If those amenities are a must have, than either the I4 or AH should be on your used car list.

___Remember too that 40 on the highway in an AH is a long highway drive to remove the warm-up hit. Local stuff, mid 20’s at best. Lastly, any of us here could pull 50 + in a Fit, Yaris, Corolla or Civic driving in a very similar manner on the highway and 40 + around town without throwing the book at them. 55 + around town in the compacts when doing that ;)

___My $0.015 anyway???

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Hi Wayne,

Thanks for the candid feedback. (I hope) You know that I
value your opinion as do most other participants here, so it
is worth a little more than $.015. ;-)

re: cost of used AH - I peeked on autotrader.com for my area
and found some very low mileage (<15k miles) 2005 models for
under $20k. Yes, I'd say the original owners took a bath on
these vehicles. On absolute $ terms, $20k is still pretty
high, but for a no-compromise, almost luxury vehicle with
decent FE (ok, maybe not so good around town...), it may be
worth it. Thankfully, I don't have luxury tastes. :-)

I was trying to do a fair price comparison with a 4-cylinder
EX-L, but the '05s usually had greater than 30k miles on
them. Still, if ignoring the small difference in miles
driven, the I4 EX-L seems to average a couple of $k lower
than the AH. The EX-L looks like a popular model that is
still in demand.

I was just amazed at all the Honda magic that went into the
AH. The noise cancelling stereo really surprised me, but as
you said, it doesn't compensate completely for the 3-cyl
noises. Partially electrically driven A/C compressor,
electric oiler for the auto trans, active engine mounts,
electric recirc of engine coolant for heat during idle
stop,... neat stuff.

By the way, did Honda ever fix that OD lockout bug?

Thanks again, Wayne.

Cheers,
Bill

Wayne, I just read the Camry vs. Accord post. http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=442

Very informative. Thanks.

cheers,
Bill

Hi All,

More often than not, when I hear discussions about the Accord hybrid, some people will give all the negatives to the design approach taken by Honda for this automobile. The engine's too big for fuel economy, it can not drive off in electric only mode, etc. That's all true from a purely FE perspective. I've just been looking more closely at the details (I'm studying all hybrids), and there is so much good "stuff" in there. Taking just one example, the valve technology along with cylinder deactivation should make this a great highway vehicle. And the power is there if one ever wanted or needed it. I looked at the EPA mileage rating site and the member tank logs here and it appears 40+ mpg is possible. Isn't that Camry hybrid territory? Is this vehicle underrated/underappreciated? It certainly did not sell well. As such, there seem to be a few bargains out there for used Accord hybrids. When compared to regular high-end Accords, the value seems especially so.

What do you think?

cheers,
Bill

Hi Bill,

I can tell you just about anything you want to know about the HAH. I own one and I can tell you a few Positive things about it.

(1) Very Very Fast, if needed !!!!!!
(2) Extremely Comfortable !!!!!
(3) Interior is Leather and Two Tone that is simply 1st Class !!!!!!!!
(4) Fit & Finish way beyond most of it's competitors
(5) Nav option one of the Very Best in the Industry, Period
(6) XM Satellite Radio, Pefect
(7) FE, is simply out of this World on the Hwy. even at 70-75 MPH
(8) HVAC System works Perfect
(9) LED Stop Lights, Very-Bright
(10)Trunk, Big Enough for most anything normal
(11)Instruments for the MPG Reading, Simple to view and Understand at a Glance
(12) Runs on 87-Octane
(13) Oh did I forget the 255 HP :D

I would tell anyone to go out and get themselves one of these cars, especially the 2007 Model as it has all the Upgrades from Honda. And the Price tag as you have already found out is (Very-Competitive). Reasonable for a car in it's class. No Regrets here my Friend.

Here are some Pics for you to Judge for Yourself what you think of it:

Can "YOU" believe these "NUMBERS" ????? It just keeps getting BETTER !!!!!
Hi,

Man this Accord Hybrid just keeps getting "Better & Better". I just cannot stand it. http://greenhybrid.com/discuss/images/smilies/emotikons/wink.gif

Just did a very-very long days drive to visit Family in Frankfort, Ky. and that trip was driven from speeds of 65-75 miles per hour on the interstate. We went through Wendy's drive up and then sat in the car and ate lunch with the motor idling. I know if you were one of the Hypermilers you would be going "Crazy-about-Now". But then we drove all over the place and let my Brother which has never seen or been in a Accord Hybrid before today drive it. He did not even notice that when he was coming to the stops that the engine was not running. http://greenhybrid.com/discuss/images/smilies/emotikons/wink.gif I said hey look at the Tach. !!! He said it says "ZERO", I said yeah the engine is not running until you take your foot off the brake pedal. He said this is high tech, isn't it ??? I said yeah and if you look to the bottom left it says in "Flashing-Green" Auto-Stop. He said I like this car, you cannot even tell when it starts and quits running. Love that Brother. http://greenhybrid.com/discuss/images/smilies/emotikons/teeth.gif

Well that is the story on todays travels with the Accord Hybrid and here are some Pics of the days events from the Trip Computer.

Picture of Trip Computer

showing MPG-Driven

Before fuel-Gage Dropped

BELOW-the-FULL-MARK

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Picture of the Fuel-Gage

to go with above

Trip-Computer-Picture

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Picture of the

Trip-Computer

For

TOTAL-MILES-&- MPG-THIS-TANK

"WOW"

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/500/medium/Total_miles_driven_this_tank_Pic_1_Sept_2007.jpg


I've got to tell you that this is one heck of a car. It will Go when needed, Quiet inside, Very comfortable, Nice X/M Tunes, and the FE is just GREAT (IMO) in my opinion. If you have not driven one of these Fast-Hybrids I suggest doing so. You will not be Sorry !!!! http://greenhybrid.com/discuss/images/smilies/emotikons/wink.gif






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This is the Greatest Hybrid Real World Car that has been Produced. I recommend it to anyone wanting the Very Best that has ever been Produced by any Manufacture.


Regards,

Terry

I like your enthusiasm, Terry. :-) Thanks for posting the pictures.

cheers,
Bill

I like your enthusiasm, Terry. :-) Thanks for posting the pictures.

cheers,
Bill

Hello Bill,

The pictures are to let you see an example of what this car does with No-Effort at all from the driver as far as FE is concerned.

I have been up in the 40's as far as FE also.

You know what they say ???? A picture is Worth a "Thousand-Words".

Regards,

Terry

I have owned the best that is out there.

Hi Bill:

___The Accord I4 includes every amenity the AH is equipped with including the i and aFCD’s in the NAVI equipped units without the inconsistencies of the small i/aFCD inside the speedo plus includes a power sunroof for all MY’s vs. the AH’s last two, a larger trunk with fold down rear seats in all MY’s and was $7,000 less new and at least $4,000 less used with similar if not identical features.

The 06 AH test drive over a tank (avg. temp 80 degrees F): 883 miles on 17.293 gallons = 51.06 mpg from top off to top off.

vs.

http://www.cleanmpg.com/garage/images/11.png year round through the same and at least 5% of her miles driven by others. The I4’s best tank(s) are too far above the AH to bother listing.



The car has been a slow seller. While the regular Accord sells well over 300,000 units a year, the Hybrid accounted for a paltry 25,000 total units over the three model years it was offered. (Compare that to over 700,000 units for the Prius.) So, it’s no big surprise that Honda is yanking the (figurative) plug on the Hybrid with the pending 2008 Accord redesign.

This wasn’t because the Accord Hybrid was a bad car; it scored highly in our testing and once led our family sedan Ratings. With an average of 25 mpg in our tests, the V6 hybrid was more efficient than either the automatic Accord EX four-cylinder (24 mpg) or standard V6 (23 mpg.)

___The AH has an even harsher hybrid premium than the much maligned Malibu or Aura BAS sytems over their non-hybrid counterparts with no chance of ever recovering :(

___Good Luck

___Wayne

There's also a bug in the audio compensation system that makes it "reinforce" the sound rather than cancel it. Honda can apparently fix this with a software update.