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xcel
10-12-2006, 02:03 AM
Those who persist in driving gas hogs will pay a steeper and steeper price in the future for their unwise transportation choices. (http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/spectrum/index.php?ntid=102779&ntpid=1)

Wisconsin State Journal - Oct. 11, 2006

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I am the very happy owner of a 2006 Prius that averages more than 50 miles per gallon …

Gasoline prices have dropped recently, but a growing number of drivers are trading in their vehicles for electric-gas hybrid models. The hybrids typically get much better gas mileage and they pollute less. They also cost thousands of dollars more than their non-hybrid cousins.

Viewpoints:

Continued high cost of gasoline makes hybrids a smart buy.

American auto manufacturers should have seen hybrids coming.

Maintenance expenses are too high for hybrids.

Limiting emissions is worth the extra price.

Hybrid vehicle is only wise choice

With global peak oil production likely by 2010, not buying a fuel-efficient hybrid (or plug-in hybrid or electric vehicle) as one's next vehicle is unwise.

Gas at $10 per gallon is likely within the useful life of any new vehicle purchased today, even if general peace and tranquility breaks out in the Middle East. At the likely prices, the higher-cost hybrid will pay for itself several times over.

Those who persist in driving gas hogs will pay a steeper and steeper price in the future for their unwise transportation choices.

- Robert H. Owen Jr., Middleton

American automakers missed the boat

I am the very happy owner of a 2006 Prius. It averages more than 50 miles per gallon, has lots of room and is comfortable - the best vehicle I've ever owned. The manufacturer can't keep up with the demand.

I have no sympathy for the American auto manufacturers. They should have seen this coming. How long after the election before the price of gas will go up again?

- Mike Duren, Mazomanie

Maintenance expense much too high

No, I would not buy a hybrid car. While hybrid vehicles are certainly an advance in terms of energy usage, a problem with them could be a matter of economics.

In addition to the higher price of $3,000 to $7,000 for a new vehicle, there is also the expense of replacing the battery pack when the warranty expires at 80,000 miles or eight years. The dealer I called quoted replacement costs of $3,000 to $4,000, plus $400 for labor.

That is today's price. What will it be in several years as these parts become old and obsolete. Will there be improvements in technology that will result in lower prices, or will they be higher because of age and obsolescence?

- Dennis W. Gordon, Madison

Limiting emissions is worth the price

I see buying a hybrid car as a bridge to the future. Basically, our planet will soon require us to stop burning things.

Consider two facts: Roughly 90 percent of all car trips by Americans are under 20 miles a day, and the dirtiest air pollution from an automobile is produced during the first mile of driving. Think of the difference hybrid-electric cars could make on greenhouse gas emissions.

And if you convert your hybrid to a plug-in, you are running the first 40-plus miles strictly on electricity, which equals no tailpipe emissions. And if you put six or seven solar panels on your roof, you can charge your car on the sun's energy, which equals no emissions at all. How about that?

Sure, the up-front cost is there - but look at the value of your savings in both dollars and the environment. Instead of filling-up at the pump every week, you could go several months without one trip to the gas station. And you would set an inspiring example for others in your neighborhood and your social circle.

Why would anyone not buy a hybrid car as soon as they could afford one?

- Kurt Reinhold, Madison

Pravus Prime
10-12-2006, 02:56 AM
Eh, sounds too risky. I think no one would ever enjoy a hybrid vehicle. And if you think there's some kind of hybrid car festival, forget that! :Banane22:

Sledge
10-12-2006, 07:03 AM
>>Would you buy a hybrid car?

Ummm...maybe? :D

brick
10-12-2006, 07:15 AM
Someone asked this question on the infinitely worthless GasBuddy forums a while back. The answers were generally to the effect of "HE!! no! They aren't 'Mericun and they don't get their rated MPGs! And they aren't safe! And they are goofy! And...and...BUY FORD TRUCKS AAAAHHHGHGHHGHGH!"

If I needed a new car right now I would go off and buy a hybrid. But I'm just taking my time, putting miles on the perfectly good car I have, and waiting to see what kind of technology has hit the market by the time I'm ready.

TonyPSchaefer
10-12-2006, 08:10 AM
I have often and openly made invitations to coworkers that they can test drive my Prius any day at any time as long as I'm with them. A few have acted interested but I've had no takers yet.

It's hard for me to believe that working for an engineering firm with scores of engineers and otherwise very intelligent people, I'm one of two hybrid owners. The other is a 2002 Prius.

Chuck
10-12-2006, 08:16 AM
Tony,

There is this guy that drive a Prius II at the gym I go to. Several times I've told him about CleanMPG. Has he joined here or for that matter PriusChat? No, yet each time I chat with him it's 30 minutes or longer. :confused: It just seems such forums would be a way he could get his point of view out to more people and I hope he eventually does.

Some things make no sense....

RH77
10-12-2006, 08:36 AM
I'm just taking my time, putting miles on the perfectly good car I have, and waiting to see what kind of technology has hit the market by the time I'm ready.

Yup, same here. I'm waiting for better tech, and the Integra has some life left. The next car will definitely be either an HCH-II or Accord Diesel (or Diesel-Hybrid if someone figures it out).

RH77

Chuck
10-12-2006, 10:30 AM
Someone asked this question on the infinitely worthless GasBuddy forums a while back. The answers were generally to the effect of "HE!! no! They aren't 'Mericun and they don't get their rated MPGs! And they aren't safe! And they are goofy! And...and...BUY FORD TRUCKS AAAAHHHGHGHHGHGH!"

Sadly, many forums have people that are either ignorant or intentionally post smart-aleck remarks such as "My F-150 is much better at 70 than 55." Really? Letting a lot of these kind of remarks go (and they are not hard to find at that fourm) hurts their credibility when it is littered with such contemptful misinformation. The remark quoted capulizes the problem - too many of the general public think it's their birthright to have cheap gas so they can drive like gearheads and indimidate others to do the same.

Frustrating...

tbaleno
10-12-2006, 10:54 AM
Don't you mean they make remarks like "My F-150 is much better at 70 than 55?."

brick
10-12-2006, 10:59 AM
You mean better at 70 than at 55? That pops up daily, in every thread that has anything to do with FE. Someone who actually knows what he's talking about might post once in a blue moon, only to be beaten sensless by octane junkies who know nothing but think they know everything. Misinformation like that, or the notion that hybrids use more energy over their lifetime than a hummer, is perpetuated indefinitely. I don't know what's scarier: the degree to which that info is nonsense or the ridiculous number of people who buy it.

Chuck
10-12-2006, 11:02 AM
Don't you mean they make remarks like "My F-150 is much better at 70 than 55?."

Pretty significant typo - corrected it. :o :o :o


It was before talk radio really got popular, but the topic was seat belt laws, and one guy got into an arguement to the host that if a collision was imminent, he would jost pop on his seat belt. :rolleyes:

It's OK to be a spoiled brat growing up, but not when you are behind the wheel.

TonyPSchaefer
10-12-2006, 12:39 PM
Sadly, many forums have people that are either ignorant or intentionally post smart-aleck remarks such as "My F-150 is much better at 70 than 55." Really? Letting a lot of these kind of remarks go (and they are not hard to find at that forum) hurts their credibility when it is littered with such contemptful misinformation. Sometimes I wonder if those statements are made out of ignorance or stupidity. If they don't understand wind resistance and aerodynamic drag, they are simply ignorant and that's forgivable. But if they have a grasp of the science behind making cars go, then they are being just plain stupid.

The problem, as you indicate, is that those who are ignorant will grasp on to that statement and believe that it's true. After all, that first guy can't be all that stupid, can he? From the movie "American President", 'they drink the sand not because they are thirsty but because they don't know any better.'

Pravus Prime
10-12-2006, 05:50 PM
I have often and openly made invitations to coworkers that they can test drive my Prius any day at any time as long as I'm with them. A few have acted interested but I've had no takers yet.

It's hard for me to believe that working for an engineering firm with scores of engineers and otherwise very intelligent people, I'm one of two hybrid owners. The other is a 2002 Prius.

I wanna drive your Prius! I've never driven a Prius before; it's one of the only hybrid vehicles out there I haven't driven.

Chuck
11-13-2008, 02:09 PM
Anyone still skeptical now?

MT bucket
11-13-2008, 11:09 PM
With the way the economy is now i wouldn't touch a new car loan with a 1000 foot pole!
Mabye if gas stays cheap a couple of years, then i might be able to find a used insight for cheap, I might just get it! :)

Showbizk
11-14-2008, 08:46 AM
It's all economics! If P-E Obama will propose and support tax breaks for the purchase of hybrids, thus offsetting their enormous and occasionally dealer-gouging costs with a yearly tax-incentive to purchasers and owners, economics would be more nearly satisfied. BHO, put (y)our money where your mouth is!

flatty
11-14-2008, 08:54 AM
I haven't quit the US. The new Fusion Hybrid looks pretty good.

Right Lane Cruiser
11-14-2008, 09:05 AM
It does indeed -- I just wish it was a bit more affordable. Maybe I'll be able to find a used one in 2 years when my wife's lease on the Escape is up...



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