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ALS
08-17-2009, 11:47 PM
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/2/AmericanFlag.jpg But, $40,000? That is almost exactly what you'd pay for a new BMW 335i ($40,300) and not too far off the asking price of a new Mercedes-Benz E-Class ($48,050). (http://spectator.org/archives/2009/08/17/volt-sticker-shock)

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/2011_Chevrolet_Volt.jpgEric Peters - SPECTATOR (http://spectator.org) - August 17, 2009

About time somebody runs the numbers --Ed.

We live in incoherent times, but maybe someone can explain it to me: How does a $40,000 "economy" car make economic sense?

The $40k is the price GM will reportedly charge for its all-electric Volt sedan -- due out in late 2010 as a 2011 model. Unlike current hybrids, which mostly get going on their internal combustion engines -- with their battery packs and electric motors providing a supplemental boost -- the Volt will be propelled entirely by electric motors and batteries. The small onboard gasoline-burning engine is only there to provide the power to charge the batteries. It is basically a generator -- and is not connected to the drive wheels at all.

The Volt is thus touted by GM as being capable of returning as much as 230 miles per gallon, since it is for all intents and purposes a fully electric car that carries its recharger with it. (The Volt can also be plugged into regular 110 volt household outlets.)

But, $40,000? That is almost exactly what you'd pay for a new BMW 335i ($40,300) and not too far off the asking price of a new Mercedes-Benz E-Class ($48,050). These are fine cars, but not exactly marketed to people who are concerned about their pocketbooks.

Forty Thousand Dollars. That is a lot of coin. Even with a government subsidy (on top of the subsidy GM has built into the car's price) expected to be as much as $7,500 (thank you, fellow taxpayer), the potential Volt buyer is looking at a bottom line price that is right there in the entry-luxury range -- and roughly three times the cost of a new econobox. ... http://spectator.org/archives/2009/08/17/volt-sticker-shock

SentraSE-R
08-18-2009, 12:23 AM
That article sums it up pretty well. I'd buy the Nissan Versa v. the Volt. The $30,000 price difference would buy 10,000 gallons of gas, enough to fuel the Versa about 400,000 miles. I won't drive that much in the next 20 years. GM is nuts to try to charge that much for the Volt.

Indigo
08-18-2009, 06:13 AM
Don't forget too that the farther you drive a Volt, the lower its gas mileage gets. If you drive it for the full 300-mile cruising range in one session, your effective gas mileage is 28.75 MPG, not 230 MPG. I get much better than that from my $16k Scion xD.

southerncannuck
08-18-2009, 07:13 AM
People buy those cars (BMWs and MERCEDES) for the image, which will be the reason many will buy the Volt. How many bought $40.000 Hummers?

Right Lane Cruiser
08-18-2009, 07:20 AM
Don't forget too that the farther you drive a Volt, the lower its gas mileage gets. If you drive it for the full 300-mile cruising range in one session, your effective gas mileage is 28.75 MPG, not 230 MPG. I get much better than that from my $16k Scion xD.

I still think you are severely underestimating its FE on the range extender. Even GM isn't that stupid and back of the envelope calculations based on their 230mpg claim result in something pretty close to 50mpg on gas.

booferama
08-18-2009, 08:12 AM
The more I see that $40,000 price tag, the more I think it's designed to make the actual MSRP seem (relatively) low. A few things about that price:

It's weirdly rounded off to zero, unlike most car prices.
Forty has been the magic number for the Volt for a while. Forty miles on electric.
They have to know that, realistically, even if there are taxpayer subsidies or dealer discounts, $40,000 isn't a viable price for really moving the car.


I think they're using the $40,000 as a price anchor so when they list the price at, say, $32,995, the latter number seems like a bargain (even though, obviously, it's not).

Of course, it's possible I'm wrong and they're dumber than everyone thinks.

psyshack
08-18-2009, 08:30 PM
Bottom Line! Volt has to do every thing right. It has to get good mpg. Not be a over priced GM junker, drive right and not feel GM cheap. It will have to be reliable.

Volt has one hell of a call to duty. If it fails at all GM is sunk IMHO. It has to deliver regardless of price. GM has to nail the hybrid/electric stuff. Remember they were the world leader in gen. to motor propulsion in the world. One has to look no farther than there locomotives and marine setups. Throw a battery in, and you have Volt.

The car really is sooooo much more than the power/drive train. It has to be the new GM!



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