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The posted results are Dan in 1st, Hot Georgia in 2nd, but they made an error in their calculations and listed me in 7th place. From my submitted tanks, I should have been in 3rd place. Perhaps the error was deliberate, so they wouldn't have to post a 1st, 2nd, 3rd sweep by non-TDI cars.

Is there a link?

RH77

I wish some people with TDIs would come over here to help us get educated on them and maybe to start discussing things that might help them improve and maybe things they know that might help us.

From my submitted tanks, I should have been in 3rd place. Perhaps the error was deliberate, so they wouldn't have to post a 1st, 2nd, 3rd sweep by non-TDI cars.

**** that's pretty dirty... lol LIKE A TDI DIESEL!!!!

jealously gets you nowhere, sit down and lets chat efficency!

edit: llolol i can't believe three civics (two normal, one hybrid) pwned all the TDI diesels when the diesel was suppose to own normal cars and hybrids... HA HA! LOL!

**** that's pretty dirty... lol LIKE A TDI DIESEL!!!!

That's about to change, my good man. Mandatory EPA regs effective MY 2007 for ALL new Diesel engines (Big rigs down to Golfs) will make Diesel emissions on-par with hybrids, but with slightly less FE. The Big Truck guys have figured it out because they really had to, but the car market is a couple years behind.

Green Diesel Initiative Info: Questions, Answers, and News (http://www.dieselforum.com)

If you have time/bandwidth, I reccommend watching the video -- it explains the whole process, from the Executive Governmental Level, to the EPA, down to the manufaturers.

RH77
Great-Great Grandson of Rudolf Diesel (not really)
How about distant cousin of Vin Diesel? OK, that's stretching it...

Yeah. clean diesels will be a great boon. Then tack on a motor for a diesel hybrid and we just might have an FE monster!

Good things ahead I think for automobile power plants.

I'd like to see more diesel owners here. With diesel hybrids, biodiesel becomes an option....

Then tack on a motor for a diesel hybrid and we just might have an FE monster!

Excellent point. I've been dreaming of the Diesel-Hybrid for a long time. Only-if. They'll probably get one in Europe first (Diesel-heavy buying public, and many Countries tax the CO2 emissions of your vehicle, so that's a draw as well).

Background: My Dad is a retired railroad Engineer. When I was a kid, he'd take me down to the yards and give me the full tour of the locomotives, etc. It's basically a huge Diesel engine, linked to a high-voltage electric generator, and wired to electric "traction motors" (these can, depending on the model of loco, be turned into generators themselves to slow the train instead of the brake shoes on the cars -- "Dynamic Braking"). The energy is dumped into huge resistors and bled-off as heat.

This was around 1986. I recall getting into an discussion with him about Diesel engines, and he said they didn't have a spark plug. I though he was BS-ing me until I saw a schematic, and indeed it didn't

I remember it clear as day. I was standing looking outside of the screen door, kinda bored (summer) and asked, "Well, why don't cars work like [this]?"
"Son, gas is too cheap and that would add a lot of weight. Besides, Diesel cars are dirty and unreliable".
Which, at the time, America was still reeling from the exploding Oldsmobile/Cadillac Diesel disaster, and how many people could afford a Mercedes or trust a VW Rabbit?

I'm hoping and predicting that a D-Hybrid will come along within 10-years. If they make it able to run on Bio-D, even better!

RH77

Then tack on a motor for a diesel hybrid and we just might have an FE monster!


Then tack on a manual transmission --and for half the drivers here, you'd have car porn.

Then tack on a manual transmission --and for half the drivers here, you'd have car porn.

LOL!

A link of interest - The Peugeot diesel-hybrid (http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/01/psa_peugeot_cit.html).

Emissions may keep it out of the US, even though it's not dirty... :(

A link of interest - The Peugeot diesel-hybrid (http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/01/psa_peugeot_cit.html).

Emissions may keep it out of the US, even though it's not dirty... :(

:drool: That car is awesome. Too bad is had a "Poor-Mans SMG" instead of a real manual.
But, this isn't to say that the drivetrain can't be sold to other manufacturers (like Ford Europe, or Opel/Vauxhall (GM) for use in other markets like ours. It's a long shot...:confused:

RH77

Here is the link to the TDI September competition.

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=150547

Then tack on a manual transmission --and for half the drivers here, you'd have car porn.

Sign me up for the car porn.:p

As soon as Honda makes a diesel available in the US, I will own one. Until then, it looks like Hot Georgia, Basjoos and myself will have to make hay with gassers.

Do you think you could beat the milage of the prius in a diesel.

Do you think you could beat the milage of the prius in a diesel.

I'm confident that Dan could take a school bus and beat the prius. :D

That's an excellent question -- with the new diesels coming out it would all depend on the size of the vehicle and the application.

In Honda's case, they're limited to the 2.2, which will fit in the Civic, and drop right in the Accord, but probably not the Fit. Emissions: depending on fuel. Probably will be at least B50 compatible, which should reduce emissions.

Power-to-Weight:
Prius curb weight = 2930 lb.
Combined HP = 110 hp.
P/W Ratio = 0.0375

Projected curb weight of Accord with Diesel: Euro Accord Diesel 6MT (USDM TSX = 1477kg = 3256 lb). Acura TSX 6MT = 3257 lb. One pound heavier. The U.S. Accord 5MT with the K24 (TSX engine) weighs 3133 lb. + 1 lb. = 3144.
2.2iCDTi HP = 140 hp
P/W Ratio = 0.0445

The Honda will have more power-to-weight by 15.7%

FE for the Prius: 60/51/55
Projected Accord Diesel: 32/53/42

CO Emissions (g/km)
Prius: 104
Accord: 145

Welp, it looks like the Prius wins for better emissions and FE, with the Accord yielding a slightly better highway FE rating. Hypermilers should choose the Prius, and the general public perhaps the Diesel, as the EPA FE may be easier to achieve for the average lead-footed user -- introduce Bio-Diesel and less petroleum is used, which could outweigh the FE disparity in emissions.

So short answer, it would be tough.

Crap, I just talked myself out of a Diesel and into a Hybrid.

RH77

Do you think you could beat the milage of the prius in a diesel.


I already beat the Prius with the VX. So the question is, could I beat the VX with a Diesel? Maybe, maybe not, but at least I would have AC.

But dan, if you drove the prius the way you drive the vx could the prius beat it?

If not, why is the vx an FE monster over the prius? Is it weight?

It is weight, electrical overhead and frontal area, all of which is much lower on the VX. Also remember that I have a mainly highway commute and the Prius looses its hybrid advantage at highway speeds. Also the VX has lean burn where the Prius doesn't. Oh, and the RE92's are skinnier and have much lower LRR than the Integritys.