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xcel
09-12-2006, 01:10 AM
The district earmarked $14,000 for the bus - a fraction of the total cost of $209,000. (http://www.nj.com/news/expresstimes/pa/index.ssf?/base/news-7/1158033885149230.xml&coll=2)

Courtney Lomax - Express Times - Sept. 12, 2006

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Not just a HEV but a PHEV School Bus!

U. NAZARETH TWP. - Forget about smelly emissions and high fuel bills.

The Nazareth Area School District is buying one of the first 17 hybrid electric buses in the country, according to a press release from Jennings Transportation of Nazareth.

Thirteen other school districts across the country will purchase buses through the Plug-in Hybrid Electric School Bus Project created by Advanced Energy, a nonprofit organization based in Raleigh, N.C., the release says.

The Nazareth Area School District contracts 60 buses from Jennings.

A hybrid electric-drive school bus uses diesel and electric power to save money on fuel and protect the environment, according to the release.

"The district is interested, (like) everyone in America, to limit the use of gasoline," said Judy Swigart, assistant superintendent for education support services for the district.

The bus is like a hybrid car but on a larger scale, Swigart said.

The district earmarked $14,000 in this year's budget for the bus - a fraction of the total cost. Total cost is $209,000. Regular school buses cost about $67,000, said Meghan Ochs a spokeswoman from Jennings Transportation.

A $112,000 grant from the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection will cover the bulk of the cost. Jennings will pay $67,000 and a group of electric companies from North Carolina will fund the remaining $16,000.

The bus will likely look similar to other buses in the district, Ochs said.

The bus is expected to arrive in February and the district will compare how it runs to other buses.

"It will be interesting to see how this works and see if this is something other districts might look into," Swigart said.

She said she doesn't know if the district will consider purchasing other hybrid buses because of the high cost.

An energy-saving bus joins the district's other environmentally friendly project. The new seventh-and eighth-grade building on Friedenstahl Avenue will be built following energy-saving green-building standards.

tigerhonaker
09-12-2006, 07:08 AM
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The district earmarked $14,000 in this year's budget for the bus - a fraction of the total cost. Total cost is $209,000. Regular school buses cost about $67,000, said Meghan Ochs a spokeswoman from Jennings Transportation.

In one way it is nice to see that companies are working to provide these Buses. On the other hand I just wonder really how many gallons of fuel can be bought with the difference between the cost of the Hybrid bus @ $209,000.00 versus the regular Bus @ $67,000.00 ? Difference of $142,000.00 per Bus. Take that times only 10-Buses and you have $1,420,000.00. That folks is a lot of fuel for the difference in only 10-Buses. Can you imagine the Real-Cost for like 10,000 Buses and that would only be a Drop in the bucket for how many buses go out every day in a very large city.

BTW, And who is footing the Bill/Cost for these. That's right the American Consumer. Can you say raise your "Taxes" again. :(

Terry (tiger)

xcel
09-12-2006, 07:57 AM
Hi Terry:

___Complete agreement … I have to assume the average everyday school bus has a daily duty cycle for 180 days/year of maybe 40 miles/day @ maybe 4 mpg? That is $30.00 in Diesel #2 a day. I am making some assumptions of course. $30.00/day * 180 days = $5,400/year in fuel. Even if the non-PHEV bus were to run for 20 + years, you are talking about $108,000 in fuel costs at $3.00 per. Even if diesel #1/#2 were to double again, it still doesn’t touch the price of the PHEV and there is no way a huge Li-Ion like the one installed in this bus will last 20 years! Imagine replacing that monster in 8 + years given the 3 months of 0 use during the summer? Maybe school busses travel a lot further then I am guessing but overall, I bet I am pretty close? And this bus is still going to consume Diesel #1/#2 at maybe $15.00/day + an electric charge of maybe $5.00 per day.

___Just the financing costs on a $142,000 (209,000 – 67,000) purchase @ 6.5% w/ a 10 year loan amortizes out at $1,663 more outlay per month which is far more then $10.00 a day in Diesel #2 saving ($30.00 per day vs. $20.00 including the electric charge cost) to run a normal bus.

___Think of it in terms of a $75,000 PHEV Prius II vs. a $25,000 std. one! A school district that has budgeted just $14K for a bus costing $67K sounds a bit on the lower income scale side of the coin unless they were financing said bus. Not even considering the pack replacement in 8 + years at 1/3 the cost of today, this is already so far upside down it is unbelievable.

___I am glad to see the PA. EPA took care of most of the bill because that school district certainly could not come anywhere near it. I wonder how the PA. EPA received the funds to blow $112,000 and the bus company itself could put up another $67,000? Maybe Jennings is making a huge profit to begin with on this deal? I wouldn’t touch it myself.

___State and local Government at it’s finest :(

___Good Luck

___Wayne



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