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Hi All:

___There is something huge being planned behind the scenes which involves Randall Burkhalter (Highwater), Justin Fons (CitrusInsighter), Dan Kroushl (Krousdb), Bill Kinney (Billy), Louis Hundgin (Sno779), possibly Brian Hardigan (NEmystic), and myself is about all I can add. The following pic has a lot to do with it ...

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/504/08_25_06_return4-1.jpg
1.5 L/100 Km - 156.x mpg sustained

___Randall, I couldn't resist because this is just too darn exciting :D

___Good Luck

___Wayne

I hope this is not dampening things, but 1.4 liter/100km is 156mpg or better.

If the FCD is rounding, then it's at least 156mpg - I plead ignorance.


http://www.pege.org/fuel/convert.htm (http://www.pege.org/fuel/convert.htm)


Liters per 100/km to MPG

1.4 is 156.81mpg or better
1.3 is 168.0149mpg or better
1.2 is 180.94mpg or better
1.1 is 196.017mpg or better
1.0 is 213.84mpg or better

I'm hope what is happening is it's no more than 1.5 liters meaning 151mpg or more.....

REMEMBER I'M NOT GREAT IN MATH

Practices at fainting.

What's your speed? Did you lock the engine in high load lean burn at 35-40mph and use MIMA to pimp your mpg? You can't keep us hanging like this!!!1!
:Banane57:

Hi Chuck:

___Those numbers you have been posting appear to be off by one slot is all …

1.5 L/100 KM = 156 mpg
1.4 L/100 KM = 168 mpg
1.3 L/100 KM = 181 mpg
1.2 L/100 KM = 196 mpg

___I do not think we need to go any further except that Randall is now the fourth person on earth to finally sustain the magical 150 mpg mark in an Insight doing what we know works … This is going to be a lot of fun :D

___Good Luck

___Wayne

wayne, you are SO mean................

I think some people are going to get together and try for a 2,000 mile tank.

I think some people are going to get together and try for a 2,000 mile tank.

I don't know a whole lot about Honda's, but it appears to be in an HCH; possibly an HCH2 with a CVT?

I don't know a whole lot about Honda's, but it appears to be in an HCH; possibly an HCH2 with a CVT?

That's an Insight dash. I'm guessing that they are going to do another marathon. If they can find a route that lets them sustain over 150mpg, they can break 2,000 miles on one tank. I'm not exactly sure what the topped off tank capacity is, but it seems to be over 13 gallons.

That's an Insight dash. I'm guessing that they are going to do another marathon. If they can find a route that lets them sustain over 150mpg, they can break 2,000 miles on one tank. I'm not exactly sure what the topped off tank capacity is, but it seems to be over 13 gallons.

Oops!:o I was right, I don't know much about Honda's. Tag team approach with only one driver in the car at a time?

Oops!:o I was right, I don't know much about Honda's. Tag team approach with only one driver in the car at a time?

If that is what they are doing, I know one person would be better for fuel economy, but it sure would be boring.

Hi Larry and Mr. Kite:

___It is an Insight of course but I cannot say much other then that because there is still a lot of logistics ahead before we announce any specifics …

___Did I tell everyone how excited I am to see Randall place the magic 150.0 behind him :D

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Absolutely mind boggling.
Don't let any of the online car magazines get wind of this!
(As if they'd mention it anyway) :(

GO Okie GO!!!!

For him to pull this off this time of year is wonderful, esp in his part of the state.

Do you have an approximate location? I'm off for a week in mid September......With nothing much planned, yet.....

xcel wrote:

___It is an Insight of course but I cannot say much other then that because there is still a lot of logistics ahead before we announce any specifics …

As much as I would like to comment, I also will refrain for the moment. Working on some of those logistics.............with fingers crossed.

Randall

My foot aches just thinking about it......

Another profile map; I just know it.

DAS

Another profile map; I just know it.

DASHi Tochatihu:

___How did you know I was going to contact you in just a few days? You must be gifted or something :D

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Got any updates?

Hi Lakedude:

___I am in buried right now trying to finish a new article (I will hopefully have it up later tonight) and after that, the formal announcement will be made. Doug said he would not mind doing the elevation maps for us but there are a lot of behind the scenes E-mails and phone calls to be made even now. If I told you I had to empty out my 200 total message sized PM box twice in the last month, would you believe me? The wife is going to shoot me when she finds out how many minutes I have burned on the cel let alone the std. phones - long distance charges. Just don’t anyone tell and maybe I can sneak it by her ;)

___Something you might be interested in? You are on top of the short list of alternates and if one guy backs out, you are definitely going to be involved with the attempt if you can make it and/or would like to? More to come later …

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Whatever this is, it's probably going to happen at a time when
I totally can't make it, even to root for the team, cuz my Fall is
already packin' up in a big way. Or maybe it happened already
and it's been warm and cozy under my rock here?
.
_H*

Hi Hobbit:

___I will post the info tomorrow as it appears to be a go from at least 5 of the members as of this writing.

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Hi All:

___As you can tell, I have been excited about this for well over a month now. The event is finally announced and we can only hope she will turn into one for the record books?

Insight Marathon Attempt: Live Sept. 25 - Oct. 1, 2006 (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2025)

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Okay, cool. Your start day will be right on the tail end of
Altwheels... hopefully I can at least track the loop-by-loop
from here.
.
Have you guys thought about what might be possible on an actual
isolated test track, without having to deal with [even sparse]
real-life traffic and stopping events other than to switch
drivers? How much would it cost to rent out a local track for
a week? Or is the slight up/down terrain of the real roads a
better match?
.
_H*

In my opinion there are two problems with a track. 1) no rolling hills that help, and 2) not realy "real world". Lots of people dismiss track fe when it is done on a track. But when they hear about people doing it on regular roads it gives a sense that "Why can't I get that mileage?"

Hi Hobbit:

___Going along with what Tom said, this is real roads although we may be pushing the lower speeds of said roads more then just a tad ;)

___I remember Dan telling me he could achieve higher FE with hills then without in his Prius II. I was coming from the Insight in Lean-burn at all costs using DWL way back when and was really skeptical. I learned a lot from that weekend in Pittsburgh! Now I look for small hills and rises to take advantage of. Not mountains like the TDS or the Rockies but the slowly undulating 50 + elevation delta’s that can sometimes give you a 6 +:1 payback in Glide vs. Pulse distances vs. a normal 3 - 4:1 payback. Of course you burn more fuel in the climbing pulse but with throttle control during the climb, that glide adds a ton. That is just one of the reasons I loved Linda’s course at HF2006. Those slowly undulating rollers for as far as the eye could see were perfect for a FE challenge. I do not know about the OK. course yet because the rollers look to be spaced out to far but Randall has mentioned some extremely long glides rolling through one of those 2 towns in the middle of the night … We will all know soon enough!

___What scares me is there are some in this country that might just have one of those perfect 20 - 40 mile RT commutes and know what they are doing before an Insight is driven off the lot. Put him or her in an Insight like Randall’s, Louis’, or Billy’s and I can bet he or she will have an lmpg in the 130/140 range! I know where a few of those routes are in Illinois (south of Chicago about 45 miles) but unfortunately, they are not around me :( You would be shocked to hear what the Ranger P/U can do on those types of alternate routes without hills. The numbers are so far beyond scary; it might make you question the need for a hybrid! Although you wouldn’t want to travel much more distance then back and forth to work because the average speeds are down near 20 - 25 mph given the subdivisions, hard corners, stop signs and such …

___Good Luck

___Wayne

aha: I'm with ya, but I'll add that correct P&G is probably
easier to *feel* on the slight rises. But with appropriate
instrumentation, such as the sweet spot meter (http://techno-fandom.org/~hobbit/cars/sweet/), you can
know exactly where you are on the torque curve independent
of terrain. Since such states are even harder to tell by butt
on the highway, I found that of very good value on interstates,
but it also helps quite a bit on LSP&G.
.
Yesterday I was out with the THHT, and among other things taking
note of "actual engine torque". Not sure how this is calculated,
but it's probably just derived from the torque MG1 has to apply
to *resist* the engine and hold it at a particular RPM. Anyways,
the THHT was pretty much showing constant torque anytime the
engine was supplying meaningful power. Between 68 and 80 nm,
in fact, and straying out of that range only on extreme transitions.
This was over a large RPM range -- 1100 to pushing 3000. So it's
pretty clear that the Prius throttle control is really trying
to do the right thing, but it still needs a little optimization
help from the driver.
.
_H*