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xcel
01-12-2009, 11:59 AM
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http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/500/12_10_Priusresize.jpgWayne Gerdes - CleanMPG (Cleanmpg.com) - Jan. 12, 2009

2010 Toyota Prius-III -- EPA 50 mpgUS Combined.

DETROIT -- Toyota unveiled the all-new 50-mile-per gallon rated third-generation Prius hybrid vehicle today at the 2009 North American International Auto show.

Celebrated as the benchmark for cars of the future, the Prius has delivered superior fuel economy and ultra-low emissions to more than one million owners worldwide for more than 10 years.

The midsize third-generation 2010 Prius will offer even better mileage ratings, enhanced performance, and innovative design features. It will be quieter, roomier, and equipped with advanced standard and available features such as a moonroof with solar panels, four driving modes, Intelligent Parking Assist (IPA) and steering wheel touch controls that display on the instrument panel.

An Eco-Icon

The first-generation Prius entered the market in 1997 as the world’s first mass-produced hybrid. The name Prius, “to go before” in Latin, became symbolic of a car that was launched even before environmental awareness had become a mainstream social issue.

From the beginning, Toyota’s full-hybrid system was developed in-house and has become a driving force behind advanced vehicle technology. The company’s exclusive Hybrid Synergy Drive System was introduced in 2004 on the second-generation Prius. Since then, more than 670,000 have been sold in the U.S.

In designing the new, third-generation Prius, Toyota engineers combined a careful refinement of existing systems with an aggressive measure of new technology necessary for the future of automobiles.

Fuel Economy and Environmental Performance

The new Prius will be built using processes that reduce pollution in every stage of vehicle life, from production and driving, through to disposal.

The third-generation Prius extends its record of continuous improvement in fuel economy. The first-generation Prius, which was rated 41 EPA combined mpg, was replaced by the current model, which is EPA rated at 46 mpg, combined city/highway. Using a combination of technologies, fuel efficiency was increased to an estimated 50 miles per gallon for the new Prius.

A larger and more powerful 1.8-liter Atkinson-cycle, four-cylinder engine will power the new Prius. Contrary to conventional wisdom, the larger engine actually helps improve highway mileage. By making more torque, the new engine can run at lower average rpm on the highway. When operating at lower rpm, the new engine uses less fuel. Mileage is especially improved in cold-start conditions and at higher speeds.

Use of an electric water pump and a new exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) system also contribute to the engine’s efficiency. The 1.8-liter Prius engine is the first Toyota power plant that requires no belts under the hood for better fuel economy and less potential maintenance.

A multi-information display panel that monitors fuel and energy consumption is standard. It provides feedback on the Prius’ efficiency using three different displays to help the driver acquire economical driving habits.

Unlike most other hybrid vehicles available, Prius has been a “full” hybrid since introduction. This allows it to run on engine alone, battery alone, or a combination of both. The system blends the best of parallel hybrid and series hybrid designs to achieve the ability to operate on the electric mode alone, and to charge the batteries while the car is running.

The patented Hybrid Synergy Drive system in the 2010 Prius is 90 percent newly-developed with significant improvements over previous models.

The transaxle is lighter in weight and reduces torque losses by as much as 20 percent compared to the previous model.
The inverter, which converts direct current to alternating current, has a new direct cooling system to reduce size and weight.
Taken together, the inverter, motor and transaxle are smaller and 20 percent lighter.
A newly developed electronically controlled regenerative braking system has been adopted, with control logic optimized to enhance regeneration.
The new Prius will offer three alternative driving modes. EV-Drive Mode allows driving on battery power alone at low speeds for about a mile, if conditions permit. There is also a Power Mode, which increases sensitivity to throttle input for a sportier feel, and an Eco Mode, which helps the driver achieve their best mileage.

Cutting Edge Styling

In designing the new Prius, aerodynamic performance was an important factor. The goal was to create a beautiful silhouette, while not compromising function. Designers preserved the dynamic triangle form of the

current model--instantly recognizable as a Prius--but made alterations to the overall profile, pillar position and angle. The front pillar, extended forward, helps refine the performance-focusing, shaped form.

The overall height of the Prius is the same, but the roof profile is altered by moving the top of the roof 3.9 inches to the rear. This emphasizes the wedge shape, and also allows for enhanced rear headroom and improved aerodynamics.

The design of the new Prius’ front and rear corners are sharp, sporty and aerodynamic. Strong side character lines, rising from front to rear, define the glazed geometric shape. Viewed from the rear, wider rear treads provide a solid, firmly rooted stance.

Dimensionally, the new Prius has the same wheelbase as the current generation. Overall length is slightly increased by 0.6 inches, in part by moving the front cowl forward.

World’s Lowest Cd

The new Prius received more wind tunnel hours of testing than any other Toyota in history, resulting in the cleanest aerodynamic profile of any mass-produced vehicle in the world. By focusing on the shape of the body, underfloor, wheelhouse liner and shape of the wheels, the designers of the new Prius were able to reduce the coefficient of drag (Cd) value to 0.25, compared to 0.26 for the previous model. The airflow under the car was studied extensively. Engineers made changes to the shape of the fender liner, front surface of the underfloor, and added a fin at the rear floor cover to increase linear stability.

Advanced Equipment For a New Era

An available sliding glass moonroof is packaged with solar panels, located over the rear seating area, that power a new ventilation system. This solar powered ventilation system uses an electrically powered air circulation fan that does not require engine assist. The system prevents the interior air temperature from rising while the vehicle is parked, making the cool-down time shorter when the driver returns to the vehicle, thus reducing the use of air conditioning.

The remote air-conditioning system is the first system in the world to function on battery-power alone and that can be remotely operated, so the driver can adjust the interior temperature for comfort before getting in the car.

Reducing the vehicle’s power consumption, available LED (light emitting diode) lamps are used for low beams and also in the tail and stop lamps. Air conditioning, a major energy drain, has been re-engineered to increase efficiency and cool-down performance. In addition, an exhaust heat recirculation system reduces heat waste by warming engine coolant during cold startup, for improved performance. It also heats up the passenger cabin more efficiently.

Enhanced Vehicle Performance

The next-generation Prius is built on a new platform, which enables improved handling stability, quieter operation, and collision safety. The suspension consists of front struts and a rear intermediate beam design, as before, but handling stability is advanced by improving the stabilizer layout, higher caster angle and tuning the bushing characteristics. Disc brakes are now used on all four corners, replacing the front disc/rear drum brakes in the current model.

Weight was saved through use of aluminum in the hood, rear hatch, front suspension axle and brake caliper and super high-tensile steel in the rocker inner, center pillar, and roof reinforcement. To meet customer expectations for everyday performance, zero-to-60 acceleration has been improved to 9.8 seconds, more than a second faster, in internal testing.

Better-performing sound insulation, working with improved vibration damping, has been installed in various locations to reduce road noise.

Functional Interior Is Bigger on the Inside

Proving that small changes add up to big gains, the cargo area of the new Prius was expanded 0.4 inches in length and 2.2 inches in width by using a new and an improved layout of the battery cooling unit.

Rear seat legroom is enhanced by a new space-saving contoured front-seat design.

Viewed from the cockpit, the center cluster smoothly flows from the instrument panel to the console. Handy storage space has been added under the shift lever by taking advantage of the shift-by-wire system. Simple, fin-type air vents are consistent with the cabin’s efficient appearance. Judicious use of silver accents adds a finished, technical feel.

Touch sensors on the steering wheel switches are designed to reduce driver eye movement for better concentration on the road. When the driver touches the audio or info switch located on the steering wheel, a duplicate image is displayed on the instrument panel, directly in front of the driver. This system, called Touch Tracer, is the first system in the world to allow steering wheel controls to read out on the instrument panel.

The ECO indicator on the Multi-Informational Display (MID) provides driver feedback for lower fuel consumption.

In pursuit of developing various advanced technologies aimed at realizing sustainable mobility, Toyota will use plant-derived, carbon-neutral plastics in the 2010 Prius. The newly-developed plastics, known as “ecological plastic,” will be used in the seat cushion foam, cowl side trim, inner and outer scuff plates, and deck trim cover. Ecological plastic emits less CO2 during a product lifecycle (from manufacturing to disposal) than plastic made solely from petroleum; it also helps reduce petroleum use.

Safety Enhancements

The new Prius was designed to comply with class-top level collision safety performance in each global region of sale, and to accommodate increasingly strict safety requirements in the future.

In addition to advanced driver and front passenger Supplemental Restraint System (SRS) airbags front and rear side curtain airbags, driver and passenger seat-mounted side airbags and driver’s knee airbag are standard equipment.

Active headrests are used in both front seats to reduce the possibility of whiplash in a collision. Anti-lock Brake System (ABS), Electronic Brake Distribution (EBD), Brake Assist (BA), electronic traction control (TRAC) and Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) are included with Toyota’s standard Star Safety System.

Dynamic Radar Cruise Control system, using advanced millimeter wave radar, is an available option. The system also enables Lane Keep Assist, which helps the driver stay safely within the lane, and the Pre-Collision System, which retracts seatbelts and applies the brakes in certain conditions when a crash is unavoidable.

Next-generation Intelligent Parking Assist features simplified settings to help guide the car into parking spaces.

A backup monitor, which provides a view of rear obstacles when reverse is engaged, is available with an optional voice-activated navigation system.
Safety Connect, Toyota’s first safety and security service, includes automatic collision notification, stolen vehicle locator and an SOS call button. Safety Connect will be available a few months after launch.

The development of the Prius has required applications for over 1,000 patents filed across the world, of which 292 are U.S. applications.

Pricing for the 2010 Prius will be announced shortly before it goes on sale late spring.

2010 PRIUS PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS

POWERTRAIN

1.8-liter four-cylinder engine with VVT-i

Engine horsepower: 98 hp @ 5,200 rpm

Engine torque: 105 lb-ft @ 4,000 rpm

Electric motor: Permanent magnet synchronous motor

Electric motor power output: 80 hp/153 lb-ft torque

Hybrid system net horsepower: 134 hp

Emission rating: SULEV (with AT-PZEV)

Electronically controlled continuously variable transmission

Drive System: Front-wheel-drive

Hybrid battery pack: Nickel-metal hydride

Estimated fuel economy: 50 mpg (combined)*

DIMENSIONS (inches)

Overall Length: 175.6

Overall Width: 68.7

Overall Height: 58.7

Wheelbase: 106.3

Ground clearance: 5.5

Coefficient of Drag: 0.25

Wheels: 15-inch alloy wheels

17-inch alloy wheels (optional)

Tire Size: 15-inch: 195/65R15

17-inch: 215/45R17 (optional)

Seating Capacity: 5

EPA class rating: Midsize

* Preliminary figure based on Toyota’s internal testing. Actual mileage will vary.

http://www.youtube.com/v/hDU7F49gqk4&hl=en&fs=1
2010 Toyota Prius-III Interior features and controls explained

mparrish
01-12-2009, 12:09 PM
I see your FFH & Insight-II, and raise you a Prius-III. :)

These public FE wars are like a nice shower. Or like watching Ghandi, Mother Teresa, & Martin Luther King Jr. all duke it out. Who wins? We all do.

Chuck
01-12-2009, 12:11 PM
BTW, Toyota is going to offer a plug-in version late this year, before the Volt comes out (NYT).

Indigo
01-12-2009, 12:19 PM
It sounds like it's going to be a $35k car now. so much for Toyota making affordable hybrids. Why not just call it a Lexus Prius at this point?

Xringer
01-12-2009, 12:37 PM
WOW! They did a bit more than just tweak things. This baby is in the Starship technology class!

What's sad, is my local dealers are only going to be pushing the fully loaded versions.

Okay, when will they be at the dealers? I feel the need for a test drive!! :o

Earthling
01-12-2009, 12:59 PM
Read about it and see some nice presentations here:

http://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/index.html

Harry

killer6795
01-12-2009, 01:01 PM
Idigo said;

"It sounds like it's going to be a $35k car now. so much for Toyota making affordable hybrids. Why not just call it a Lexus Prius at this point?"

Check out the actual Lexus (Prius) HS 250h at the Detroit Auto Show. I wonder how much that thing will cost....

brick
01-12-2009, 01:25 PM
Wait and see!

For one thing, I don't see any reason why Toyota would actually price this thing in the $30k+ range except perhaps for the most heavily-optioned versions. One of the defining features of the Prius-II has been that you get a whole lot of new "high-end" tech for your money (a la SKS, touch-screen controls, etc) on even the lower-equipped models. Maybe you won't get the solar sunroof and automatic parking feature on the base model, which will be just fine for some of us. :)

Regarding the rest of the car, I believe that the details will make or break it for the "enthusiast" class of driver such as ourselves. We still don't know if we will get 62mph ICE shutdown, and someone will have to drive the car to see how the new programming jives with our current best practices. But there are a lot of things on which I think they are dead-right.

For example, one of the more general gripes is highway fuel economy. It isn't just the 41mph EV thing, but the fact that the engine really has to get spinning in order to produce power at the speeds that most people drive. I know from experience that mileage suffers as soon as you get much above the 2400rpm range regularly during a trip. Producing more power at lower RPMS really does make good engineering sense in our market, and we will get more people driving them as a result.

laurieaw
01-12-2009, 01:39 PM
very impressive

ALS
01-12-2009, 03:38 PM
I like it but again it looks like Toyota went upscale and we are probably looking at a $27-28K starting price.
I think we are looking at the winner of the CleanMPG car of the year 2009.

ksstathead
01-12-2009, 03:52 PM
PIII is my new dream car. But we don't drive enough to cost-justify it. We need to enjoy our Fit and trade the Tacoma for some new BEV or an old 4cyl 5MT miser. Wish I could get a BEV that avoids the Neighborhood limits without breaking the bank.

redcranes
01-12-2009, 07:03 PM
It sounds like a great car but I love my F150 that gets 15 mpg and has 180,000 miles, but it just keeps on running. How much better can it get?

msirach
01-12-2009, 07:34 PM
Better than an F150????? You have to be kidding!

This car is setting a new mark!


Exhaust gas preheating the coolant!

New solar system with fan AND AC that keeps your car COOL for FREE while you're at work!

Options like 17" wheels.

Disc brakes

cd of .25 makes it the most efficient production vehicle today.

Output of exhaust? Compare that to an F150!

WALAAA! Toyota has a winner by a team of very dedicated and responsive people.

This isn't just a warmed over Prius. Every part of the exterior has been changed as well as the hybrid system, interior, etc................


This has been posted with the Chief Engineer speaking to a group of people over my right shoulder.

Sulfuric
01-12-2009, 08:33 PM
Ford Fusion Hybrid - One night stand
Prius III - Friends with benefits
Aptera 2e - Marriage with no possibility of divorce

Omfg. And Obama is almost in the white house.


*shudders from joy

Xringer
01-12-2009, 09:40 PM
Idigo said;

"It sounds like it's going to be a $35k car now. so much for Toyota making affordable hybrids. Why not just call it a Lexus Prius at this point?"

Check out the actual Lexus (Prius) HS 250h at the Detroit Auto Show. I wonder how much that thing will cost....



New Lexus hybrid steals spotlight from electric car

http://www.freep.com/article/20090112/BUSINESS03/901120370/0/BUSINESS03

"The HS 250h is expected to retail in the mid-$30,000 range when it is available in late summer, Lexus spokeswoman Julie Alfonso said. And it's expected to get 30% better mileage than the Lexus RX 400h hybrid's 25 combined m.p.g., she said.

The HS 250h will give luxury buyers an option other than the Lexus' top-of-the-line 2009 LS Hybrid, with a 5.0-liter V8 that puts out 438 horsepower, hits 60 m.p.h. in 5.5 seconds and sells for $105,885. The 2009 GS Hybrid, with a 3.5-liter V6 that churns 340 horsepower and reaches 60 in 5.2 seconds, sells for $56,400. Lexus has sold 157,000 hybrids worldwide."


Hehehe.. 60 MPH in 5.5 seconds?? Not the car to be driving while chatting on your cell..

msirach
01-13-2009, 12:25 AM
The word announced straight from a Toyota rep tonight is, "The best hybrid under $30,000."

Idigo said;

"It sounds like it's going to be a $35k car now. so much for Toyota making affordable hybrids. Why not just call it a Lexus Prius at this point?"

Check out the actual Lexus (Prius) HS 250h at the Detroit Auto Show. I wonder how much that thing will cost....

Chuck
01-13-2009, 02:00 AM
It sounds like a great car but I love my F150 that gets 15 mpg and has 180,000 miles, but it just keeps on running. How much better can it get?Hey redcranes,

Might want to introduce yourself as you have been a member since at least Sept 2008. Noticed on a couple of your last two posts (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/Find all posts by redcranes) you have mentioned drafting.

You know, I could go to www.f150forum.com (http://www.f150forum.com) and tell them my Honda Insight gets 63 lifetime mpg over 160,000 miles and running well, maybe make a couple of posts I hate Country & Western music, but just too busy doing constructive things.

Feel free to come back when you are serious about fuel economy.

Indigo
01-13-2009, 07:21 AM
If a Toyota rep said the P3 will be "under" $30k, then you'd better believe that the steering wheel will be an optional add-on for the $29,999.99 bare-bones car. The annoying thing about how Toyota has *always* handled the Prius is that basic safety features are bundled in with luxury items, so if you want a car that is safe to drive you have to tack on a $4,000 luxury package. So, yeah, the new Prius-3 will effectively be a $35k luxury car.

msirach
01-13-2009, 07:47 AM
Indigo:
Stay tuned for more details. The economic scope to sales today is price/value. With the new Lexus hybrid at $35,000, do you really think the Prius will be the same????

groar
01-13-2009, 08:01 AM
So, yeah, the new Prius-3 will effectively be a $35k luxury car.

If only the current basic Prius II could be at 30k$ by here...
It's at 26k€ ie 34.3k$ without any option and 29k€ ie 38.3k$ with the option pack (at current rate 1€ = 1.32$).
This must be because we have a cheap gasoline (1.1€/l = 5.5$/g) and slow speeds on highways (130km/h = 80.8mph)...

I love the solar panel :cool:
What impresses me more is :

the new Cd (0.25), far from French current cars (0.28 for coupé and 0.29 for sedan) and my cars (0.31 and 0.33),
and the new consumption (8% saving) with a bigger engine.

At the opposite Honda uses a smaller engine and has increased the Cd...

Hope an Elite (Wayne...) will soon drive test a Prius-III :)

Denis.

Xringer
01-13-2009, 09:26 AM
If a Toyota rep said the P3 will be "under" $30k, then you'd better believe that the steering wheel will be an optional add-on for the $29,999.99 bare-bones car. The annoying thing about how Toyota has *always* handled the Prius is that basic safety features are bundled in with luxury items, so if you want a car that is safe to drive you have to tack on a $4,000 luxury package. So, yeah, the new Prius-3 will effectively be a $35k luxury car.

So, right now might be a good time to buy a 2009 Prius?

Right now at our local dealer (one of many), they have 29 new Prius hybrids in stock.
(And 4 Used models too)!

http://www.herbchambers.com/ou/boston-toyota/console.do?page=n_search

MSRP from 24,869 to 29,444 (fancy Touring model). I bet you might be able to
cut a pretty good deal.. Since the new Super Prius is so improved.. :D

SageBrush
01-13-2009, 12:31 PM
We still don't know if we will get 62mph ICE shutdownThe 80 Hp motor spec is suggestive of about 50 mph if we can assume a proportional increase from Prius II's 67 hp motor.

KrazyDawg
01-13-2009, 05:50 PM
So, right now might be a good time to buy a 2009 Prius?

Right now at our local dealer (one of many), they have 29 new Prius hybrids in stock.
(And 4 Used models too)!

http://www.herbchambers.com/ou/boston-toyota/console.do?page=n_search

MSRP from 24,869 to 29,444 (fancy Touring model). I bet you might be able to
cut a pretty good deal.. Since the new Super Prius is so improved.. :D
I've seen used hybrids under $10,000 (not salvaged) and several around $13,000 to $18,000. You have to check autotrader, craigslist, enterprise, and carmax for the deals.

bestmapman
01-13-2009, 06:01 PM
After seing it upclose, it is an amazing car.

brick
01-13-2009, 07:31 PM
The 80 Hp motor spec is suggestive of about 50 mph if we can assume a proportional increase from Prius II's 67 hp motor.

We confirmed yesterday that the EV speed is unchanged for 2010. Needless to say that was a little disappointing.

But that was about the only disappointment we got. Like bestmapman said, it really is an amazing car. Much more than a "fixed" version of the '04-'09.

No word yet on pricing as far as I'm aware.

msirach
01-13-2009, 07:42 PM
As Brick and BestMapMan said, it is an amazing car. The changes weren't off the cuff. They responded to the owners and drivers of the Prius as well as the critics of it. We met the chief designer of the Gen III Prius and he was very passionate about it. Very detailed questions were asked and he would get his BIG black book, thumb through the pages and show the exact figures, dimensions, etc. to the questioner. Toyota cares greatly about this car and with their sales goals that they mentioned, I am confident that they will maintain a respectable price level.

Right Lane Cruiser
01-14-2009, 12:31 AM
Please note that all of the safety equipment is standard on this car and will not need to be optioned in. The options included the radar and lane assist keep -- neither of which is strictly a safety option.

bestmapman
01-14-2009, 07:20 AM
We have made our decision. We are placing an order for the new 2010. Until a OEM PHEV hits the market (2 years it looks like) the new Prius will be the standard for high fuel economy.

I wonder what strings I would have to pull to be the first in the USA to have one?



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