View Full Version : Toyota Venza?
10-23-2008, 02:35 AM
Has anyone seen the advertising for the new Toyota Venza? I saw it posted today on another forum, and needless to say, I was not pleased, IMO. It probably wouldn't bother most people.
Here's the back of it. That's not the unpleasing part. I'll show the front later. I'm not displeased with the car itself. I just don't like the way it is marketed.
10-23-2008, 07:33 AM
Ad's interesting, but nothing about MPG. Its nice to see an engine option with the "big engine" only being 3.5L v6; 2.7L 4cly seems to be std.
Still, I get the impression in luxuary based, which suggests to me that economy will be secondary to performance.
10-23-2008, 08:49 AM
I don't really see the point in another SUV/crossover from Toyota I guess they're competing now with the Murano/CRV etc....boring How about a hybrid truck guys?
10-23-2008, 09:13 AM
What's even more disappointing is that my parents are considering this instead of a Prius when they do almost all city driving and are empty nesters. What a waste.
___I have been avoiding News stories on the Venza given it is another Cross-over with not so fuel efficient engine choices. The 2.7 w/ a 4-speed Auto in the Tacoma allows a 21 mpg combined. Probably equal to what the heavier Venza will be rated at. The 3.5L option looks even worse. The Sienna’s 3.5 and is rated at only 19 mpg combined.
___Nice crossover in a similar class as the Ford Edge but with an almost guaranteed poor FE rating so I am avoiding News on it at this time. To bad as there are quite a few good stories out there too :(
10-23-2008, 10:17 AM
I just looked this up and the AWD V6 is 21 combined (25 HWY). The 2WD VG is 22 combined, 26 HWY. The 4 cylinder specs have not been released but I suspect they will not be much better. My guess is the 4 will be the same rating as the 6 and that will feed the mentality , I'll just get the V6 because it gets the same mileage as the 4.
10-23-2008, 10:17 AM
Just why do crossovers have such poor fuel economy?
I always through they were supposed to be a scaled down SUV with better economy and handling. I guess they are really geared towards being a sportier SUV. Seems like the wrong time in the economy for this. You would think they would have shelved it or modified for todays enviroment.
Frankly I always thought they look like raised station wagons...never understood why the station wagon went away. It was often supperior in room, economy, handeling than the minivans & SUVs that followed.
10-23-2008, 10:49 AM
CAFE is why they went away. A station wagon has to play by the car rules, while an SUV plays by the truck rules. Minivans are trucks by these rules. The truck rules allow much lower FE than the car rules, and so they're easier to make within those rules.
It's the Law of unintended consequences at it's best. The very rules to bring better fuel economy instead brought a whole class of FSP vehicles to the front of the market.
10-24-2008, 12:32 PM
Saw a dozen test production mules of the Venza when we took the Camry plant tour Oct. 13th. And only 200 feet away from some of the Venza's was the Camry hybrid system drivetrain production. If only they could get some of those hybrid drivetrains into the Venza!!
10-24-2008, 07:05 PM
yeah, I thought that a bit weird they had them out like that, did you notice overhead were some production Vensas on the line?
10-26-2008, 09:33 PM
um Wayne the venza is offered with a 6spd for the 2.7L
also the highlanders are receiving the same 2.7L in January, expected mpg is suppose to be 26-28 mpg highway so the Venza being more Aero and lighter than the highlander it must hit 28-29 mpg highway at least!
Venza is pretty much all the features of a highlander, but going away from the SUV look, but the exact same ground clearance too! But easier access to step inside.
10-28-2008, 10:13 AM
I can't find EPA mpg anywhere on the site.
The Venza was being marketed as an Innovate mix, like an intentionally mixed breed. Intentionally mixed breeds (peekapoo, cockapoo, golden doodles, chiweenies, pugapoo, puggles, etc...) are mutts just like any other mixed breed. They are given those ridiculous names so that someone will fall for the marketing scam. Some people are paying big bucks (2-3 grand) for these dogs. It's like putting a BMW emblem on a Geo metro and selling it for 50k.
These mixed breeds are being marketed as having hybrid vigor. Hybrid vigor is a myth, and does NOT exist. And the Venza isn't even a hybrid!
If you want to read and article explaining why hybrid vigor in dogs is a myth, see link.
It really bothers me that a large corporation would endorse such a myth that only causes problems. The people intentionally producing these mixed breeds for money are not responsible. They do not perform health clearances on the dogs. They are not trying to create a new breed with a new purpose. The notion that poodle crosses are hypoallergenic is false. Most of the time, the puppies produce shed and have dander just like any other non-poodle cross dog. These people are simply producing puppies in hopes of making some quick cash. More often than not, the puppies are worse off in health, structure, and temperament. These mixed breed dogs are NOT what they are advertised to be. Additionally, they are contributing to pet overpopulation and putting strain on rescue groups.
Anyways, I can go on and on about the ills for this marketing ploy. Major soapbox of mine as I do work in rescue, and we're the ones cleaning up the mess that irresponsible money hungry people make.
Here's the link to the front of the advertisement. I'd like to change the word "Innovation" on the ad to "Marketing Scam."
11-03-2008, 12:33 PM
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11/7.6 city highway 2.7L I4
11.5/7.9 3.5 L v6
11-03-2008, 12:41 PM
So the Venza is a mutt huh?
It's weird why they have the MPG in imperial.
___Phil posted the Transport Canada metric figures which are similar to the 1985 – 2007 EPA.
___In the US, the Venza is rated at 19/26 City/Highway for a 22 mpg US combined rating per the 08 EPA. The AWD version is rated at 18/25 with a 21 mpgUS combined.
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