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Dish Network's channel 73 is now the Obama channel. Dish Network claims that Obama's campaign paid for the channel and is not a company endorsement of the candidate. It's a low bandwidth channel and plays a loop of a 2 minute political commercial. It may well be a paid channel but at what price did Dish Network charge for the use of the channel. If they charged his campaign at a greatly reduced rate that could be grounds for a federal investigation especially in regards to election finance laws. The difference between what was paid and the actual going rate for a satellite channel could be considered a campaign donation and if it exceeds certain limits then they both could face legal problems. If he paid the actual going rate then there is no problem at all. However, since this is a channel that is a paid political ad, the company should have shielded themselves by putting a public disclaimer either during, before, and or after the ad to announce that this is a political advertisement for Barack Obama paid for by his campaign and the ad does not represent the views or opinions of Dish Network. I've seen on several message boards that some Dish Network customers are calling them to cancel their account with them and switching to DirecTV or local cable.

As long as the Obama camp is paying for the channel(I suspect they are paying the full rate for the channel), I don't see an issue. Companies buy sat time all the time to promote products and positions w/o Dish using any disclaimers, how is this any different. Sounds to me like some subscribers are reading too much into this.

I've seen on several message boards that some Dish Network customers are calling them to cancel their account with them and switching to DirecTV or local cable.

What a bunch of babies! Would they boycott NBC for airing one of his commercials? CNN? FOX? At least with a seperate channel, one can make the decision not to view it, or even more effective, block it.

I am kinda surprised that its only a 2 min loop, though. I'll have to check it out. You'd think they'd be able to get a lot more on there.

Dish Network's channel 73 is now the Obama channel.

As an Obama voter, I think I can speak for everyone when I say....

.....worst......ratings.......ever......

I don't see what good that is going to do Obama's campaign. He's going to stretch his money to the limits and not even that many voters would watch a two minute loop over and over again.

The majority of votes are going to come from Joe Sixpack off the street who probably doesn't even have satellite TV.

@lamebums the majority of voters made up their mind before they even knew who the candidates were.

I just wish I could alter time and space to have obama running with his same policies on a republican ticket, and mccain running on the democratic ticket, just so I can really see how ignorant people are.

@lamebums the majority of voters made up their mind before they even knew who the candidates were.

I just wish I could alter time and space to have obama running with his same policies on a republican ticket, and mccain running on the democratic ticket, just so I can really see how ignorant people are.

They differ very little in policy.

They both supported the McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill last year.
They both believe in the global warming scam and support carbon credits a la Europe.
They both opposed the Bush tax cuts.
They both are on the record as pro-abortion.

I can go down the list of why John McCain belongs in the Democrat party. John McCain won the Republican primary because of open primaries. It was pro-choicers who voted for McCain--that's who many liberals are. While he was out there saying he's pro-life, he's getting the pro-choice vote. McCain-Feingold, McCain-Lieberman, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-whatever. He spends his entire time reaching across to Democrats and ignores his fellow Republicans on the issues.

If John McCain wins the presidency we will have a Republican congress that is effectively neutered.

Four years of Barack Hussein Obama might be just what the doctor ordered. Jimmy Carter's second term.

If John McCain wins the presidency we will have a Republican congress that is effectively neutered.

Four years of Barack Hussein Obama might be just what the doctor ordered. Jimmy Carter's second term.

Republican congress?? I think you might check, they lost it last election!
Also it's better than 4 more years of BUSH!! kevin

Republican congress?? I think you might check, they lost it last election!
Also it's better than 4 more years of BUSH!! kevin

Selling us out to Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, etc... is not better than Bush, as bad as his presidency has been. Forcing mandated government socialist healthcare is worse than Bush as bad as he's been. Raising taxes is worse than Bush because I got a tax break from Bush's tax cuts. (I make a very small figure each year, I am not rich.)

John McCain won the Republican primary because of open primaries. It was pro-choicers who voted for McCain--that's who many liberals are. While he was out there saying he's pro-life, he's getting the pro-choice vote. McCain-Feingold, McCain-Lieberman, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-whatever. He spends his entire time reaching across to Democrats and ignores his fellow Republicans on the issues.


I looked at New Hampshire exit polls.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21228191/

He won registered Republicans 37-33.

To which state are you referring?

Also, NARAL gives McCain a 96% pro-life record. I can't find any ratings from pro-life groups, but I imagine they will show 90+ as well.

Selling us out to Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, etc... is not better than Bush, as bad as his presidency has been. Forcing mandated government socialist healthcare is worse than Bush as bad as he's been. Raising taxes is worse than Bush because I got a tax break from Bush's tax cuts. (I make a very small figure each year, I am not rich.)

Tax cut? I'm still trying to find it. Selling us out to Iran, north Korea and Venezuela? Obama has never said he'd sell us out. I guess you're not in favor of TALKING! So what are we going to do , go to war with everyone that doesn't agree with us. Get real man! While I don't agree with Chavez it's not our country, so far they haven't done anything to us. kevin

I looked at New Hampshire exit polls.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21228191/

He won registered Republicans 37-33.

To which state are you referring?

Also, NARAL gives McCain a 96% pro-life record. I can't find any ratings from pro-life groups, but I imagine they will show 90+ as well.

I'll use the same site, MS"Obama"NBC, just from another state.


For South Carolina I'll compare McCain to Huckabee (who came in second, like 33-32 or something).

In South Carolina he won self-described liberals 47-20.
In the same primary he won self-described moderates 51-21.

John McCain lost conservatives 25-36.



With regards to abortion, John McCain as recently as 2002 has a 33% rating from NRTL.



John McCain is not a conservative. Here's some of his ratings from organizations. All are in 2007:

Conservative Index - The John Birch Society: 43%
GOPUSA: 16%
National Journal: 59%
Eagle Forum: 46%
Traditional Values Coalition: 33%
Gun Owners of America: F- (0% from GOA in 2003, 2004, and 2005, as well.)


Tax cut? I'm still trying to find it. Selling us out to Iran, north Korea and Venezuela? Obama has never said he'd sell us out. I guess you're not in favor of TALKING! So what are we going to do , go to war with everyone that doesn't agree with us. Get real man! While I don't agree with Chavez it's not our country, so far they haven't done anything to us. kevin

I don't know about you but I've paid out a lot less in taxes. I once tried to figure out what I would have to pay under the Clinton regime. It's a heck of a lot more than I pay now. And I make a really small number, being a broke college student.

Anybody who is fool enough to sit down and legitimize the Hitler of Iran who thinks Israel is a stinking corpse and we are the great Satan is not qualified to be President. Remember Barack Hussein Obama is willing to sit down with Ahmadinejad, Kim, Castro, etc. without preconditions. Whereupon they'd be free to bully him into submission. Might as well raise the white flags already.

MSNBC, the network news channel whose chosen political reporters include one who said a thrill ran up his leg upon hearing Obama speak. Nope, no bias in their reporting. The head of NBC was also the one behind the video of the children singing praises of their glorious leader Obama.

Hi Auston:

___When you become a middle class wage earner and see AMT hits again and again, you will quickly understand why a Billionaire paying a real 15 to 20% vs. your real world 26 - 30% will piss you off let alone the extra $120,000 you owe for your family that these 15% rates on capital gains have stolen from you over the prior 7 + years.

___Start doing the math on SS up to 100K whereas the Billionaire earns that in the first few days of the year if he or she gets paid under payroll in the first place!

___Now consider the 10:1 bonus as stock options and "extras" vs. Payroll. These guys and gals are receiving their income in Stock vs. Wage because it saves them 10 to 15% + in taxes! I will never see or have the ability to take all my wage in Stock but you can darn well be sure if I could, I would! Worse yet, it is the form of options that make it a riskless transaction!!! Those purchases and sales never see SS or Medicare let alone payroll taxes. Just a simple and clean 15%. Welcome to tax cut 101 and you will soon see it for yourself after college is complete that it sucks, its not fair and the Government debt from these all but unsustainable deficits year after year are like a guillotine over our heads. Once it drops, you will not see Joe Billionaire coming to the rescue. He will more than likely move to Switzerland and leave the mess here for us to clean up just as you do not see any Billionaires picking up the pieces the latest Wall Street Fiasco has created.

___Free and open markets are great when everyone is making $billions of $’s. It is when the party ends that you see what the country is made of and the Billionaires have left the residence leaving it up to you and I to clean up the mess let alone take care of their hangover.

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Talking to a megalomaniac death-threatening racist like Iran's nut case, is like saying, "I'm going to talk to Ted Bundy to see what we can work out" to Maybe we can look to world history to the final answer --SADDAM Hussein- Mussolini -Hitler- Chavez - Kim Jong Il - . Talking was well, stupid and very naive. We can no more expect them not to hate you than we could not expect them not to fly airplanes full of people into buildings full of people. The playground bully smacking your kid even knows he can't be talked to.

It is very unfortunate, but there is only language they will ever respect from the United States. The only language Saddam-HItler-Mussolini- and all the others ever, ever listened to....just refer to the notes from our world history. Humans are still exactly exactly ............the same.

He will more than likely move to Switzerland and leave the mess here for us to clean up just as you do not see any Billionaires picking up the pieces the latest Wall Street Fiasco has created.

To be totally fair, I have to give props to Warren Buffett. He's put up some serious cash recently, motivated partly (albeit not completely) by his desire to help out.

Shelling out $5,000,000,000 in the current crunch takes guts.

Buffet is a stand up guy. No pretension, lives in a 3bed 2 bath house I hear.

let alone the extra $120,000 you owe for your family that these 15% rates on capital gains have stolen from you over the prior 7 + years.
___Wayne

I don't understand what you mean here. 7+ years ago the rate was 20%. Do you want to pay more taxes? I'm assuming that your talking about a long term capital gain since a short term gain would only be at your ordinary tax rate. Unless you feel like you shouldn't pay any taxes on the sell of stocks or real estate, etc and in that case there are several Caribbean islands that will talk to you about competitive tax alternatives.:D Not sure how this was stolen from you over the last 7 years since the rate is better than it has been. I'm not informed on your local state income taxes which might be a factor.

Hi Aether Glider:

___Before the current administration, < $4 Trillion. Today…

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/debtiv.gif

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

___Boy did that feel good! Maybe we can have another party for the very wealthy to benefit at our expense :ccry:

___And its 15% for those that can have their pay given to them in capital gains. 28 to 36% for the rest of us poor slobs who make a whole heck of a lot less and cannot have our pay setup to come in the form of a riskless stock option – turned into a capital gain.

___Warren Buffett is an excellent man to listen to wrt this as he is truly a stand up guy. Check out Charlie Rose’ interview with him last week.

___Good Luck

___Wayne

The legislative branch controls the budget. Conservative commentators on the radio have also been hammering and blaming Republicans in the legislature for their increased spending. However, let's not pretend that the other party would not have done the same (increased spending) had they been in the majority at the same time. Then solution to reducing the government's debt is simple but complicated by years of tradition and infighting as well as bribery, errr, lobbying. First, find a way to make it a law or regulation that nothing can be added to a bill unless it directly relates to the subject of the bill. That'll cut the pork. For a pork bill to pass it must pass on it's own merit. Next, close all foreign military bases in non-combat situations and bring those service members home. This includes Japan, Germany, Italy, and Bosnia/Kosovo. Redeploy those troops to our southern border and open bases there. Other nations use their military force for border patrol so why shouldn't we do the same? Once the Iraqi government is stable and their military can handle things on their own then bring those troops home as well. Give financial incintives for corporations to set up shop within this country instead of other countries. Those incintives would be replaced with income taxes once the shops are opened. The other advantage of having our troops here in the states is members of the legislature can't use "visiting the troops" as an excuse for a taxpayer funded vacation to Japan or Italy or Germany. I've seen them do this personally when I was stationed in Italy. One day of hand shaking and photos and the rest of the time on vacation in the Italian countryside. They could really cut the budget if they passed a flat tax or consumption tax type program and either disband or cut in half the IRS. And who decides what research is worthy of a grant? You've seen those insane research news articles that seem to prove the obvious. Research grants are good, funding stupid research is bad.

Hi Aether Glider:
___And its 15% for those that can have their pay given to them in capital gains. 28 to 36% for the rest of us poor slobs who make a whole heck of a lot less and cannot have our pay setup to come in the form of a riskless stock option – turned into a capital gain.
___Wayne

This deal applies only if you sell the stock option shares at least two years from when you received the option and more than one year after you actually bought the shares by exercising your ISO. If you sell sooner than that or later you have what the IRS calls a "disqualifying disposition" and you pay at your normal tax rate.

Your right it sucks if you don't know what your doing in this game. Most people never touch the market so they don't have a clue what they are doing. For me to receive ISO's I would have to change jobs to a large company that would actually do that. I don't have a problem with anyone that does this and knows how the game is played, its the law and its not illegal in any way. Financial advisers earn their keep based on how to avoid AMT on ISO's. If someone doesn't like the fact they can't receive ISO they could always change jobs to one that does and hope you can work your way up to a level in management that would even offer you this. I'm not jealous of anyone's hard work and success.

I play the market for the long term is the only reason I would understand any of this. My grandfather played the market his whole life and taught me to as well. He gave me $5k when i was old enough and held my hand during the first few years so i could learn and not loss it all on a stupid mistake. This income is a large chuck of income that helps support my family.

I'll use the same site, MS"Obama"NBC, just from another state.


For South Carolina I'll compare McCain to Huckabee (who came in second, like 33-32 or something).

In South Carolina he won self-described liberals 47-20.
In the same primary he won self-described moderates 51-21.

John McCain lost conservatives 25-36.



With regards to abortion, John McCain as recently as 2002 has a 33% rating from NRTL.



John McCain is not a conservative. Here's some of his ratings from organizations. All are in 2007:

Conservative Index - The John Birch Society: 43%
GOPUSA: 16%
National Journal: 59%
Eagle Forum: 46%
Traditional Values Coalition: 33%
Gun Owners of America: F- (0% from GOA in 2003, 2004, and 2005, as well.)




I don't know about you but I've paid out a lot less in taxes. I once tried to figure out what I would have to pay under the Clinton regime. It's a heck of a lot more than I pay now. And I make a really small number, being a broke college student.

Anybody who is fool enough to sit down and legitimize the Hitler of Iran who thinks Israel is a stinking corpse and we are the great Satan is not qualified to be President. Remember Barack Hussein Obama is willing to sit down with Ahmadinejad, Kim, Castro, etc. without preconditions. Whereupon they'd be free to bully him into submission. Might as well raise the white flags already.

Auston,

I have not had the time to get back to this thread, but I just wanted to say nice work with the research.
It's easy to rant, but it takes work to "look things up". I appreciate it.

Also, if you are saying that McCain won open primaries because of the vote of independents PLUS more liberal Republicans, then that seems like a pretty strong case.

Marc

A friend of mine on Facebook sent me this picture:

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/500/n637688546_465765_9270.jpg

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77253
This is something else that scares me about the current candidate for the Democratic party and some of it's supporters. As I watched this video of what a public school teacher arranged for the students to do, it brought to mind Hitler's youth and the chants that some Communist nations, past and present, require of their students.

sailordave:

I see absolutely no problem with that video. I'm sure you would feel a lot less comfortable if you see what a lot of their counterparts are doing.

Along with that, What did Senator Obama do to these kids other than the obvious inspiration he gave them? I'm asking real questions, however, that video is nothing to instill fear in any other human being. Are you afraid of their inspiration? Listen to their words. The fact that their wearing military outfits could be seen as patriotism.
Logic will free us all.
I believe both candidates have good intentions, however one candidate has more than just good intentions.

sailordave:I believe both candidates have good intentions, however one candidate has more than just good intentions.

Socialism?

A friend of mine on Facebook sent me this picture:

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/500/n637688546_465765_9270.jpg

Missouri is a super Tuesday state. It's inclusion is an error. McCain won registered Republicans on Super Tuesday.

Michigan is not included. It was won by Romney. It's omission is designed to give the appearance of a sweep instead of the true "bumpy ride" for McCain.

To state that McCain did not win registered Republicans in Florida is not true. Somebody won, it it might have been McCain. We'll never know. Exit polls show a tie.

Democrats are not allowed to vote in Republican open primaries. Using the word Democrats is an error.

The NH loss for McCain among Republicans is from CNN. MSNBC shows an exit poll win. So does CBS. So does Fox's. This is cherry picking.

So we've learned two things:

(1) The theory applies only to SC conclusively.
(2) The graph is typical, sloppy, innaccurate stuff designed to mislead. But that's what makes debunking it fun.

Socialism?

Having lived in Socialist countries in EU I can tell you that Socialism is NOT THAT GREAT. I would rather have the problems that are inherint in the system here in the States them the apathy and entitlement generated by the incompetent and unfeeling government entities controlling the socialist programs in other countries.

Think of this, as many helpful, honest, noble groups that exist in this country as there are, they are in many part because the government stays out of it. These groups provide services and help based on the desire to. The government provides help and entitlement programs because they have to in socialist governments. The people who want to help ALWAYS do a better job than the people who HAVE to help.

The are simple ways to solve all these problems seen in the States, including economy, healthcare, energy, environment, and tax reform. Throwing money at the problem like current politicians does not help. Capitalist systems are very easy to manipulate when you control the incentives(taxes, grants, permits, etc.).

Neither of these candidates will do what they are promising, neither of these candidates can do what they are promising. I seriously hope things will not end this country up like countries in EU.

Just my opinion. I'm not eligible to vote here anyway. :eyebrow:

I didn't create the graph so I can't speak for its accuracy but it certainly hits home with the fact that John McCain is not a conservative. I believe it only shows the states McCain won before Super Tuesday though? In Michigan I don't have the numbers but not only did Romney win but he carried conservatives by a large margin.

And Democrats are absolutely allowed to cross over and vote in open Republican primaries. To some extent this also happened vice versa with Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos.

Barack Hussein Obama

My middle name is James, and yet I have absolutely nothing to do with Rick James. Go figure that one out.

My middle name is James, and yet I have absolutely nothing to do with Rick James. Go figure that one out.

I just deliberately include it since the left-wingers tried to run it under just like they covered up Ayers, Wright, etc.

Same way Rush Limbaugh kept saying "William Jefferson, Democrat, Louisiana".

sailordave:

I see absolutely no problem with that video. I'm sure you would feel a lot less comfortable if you see what a lot of their counterparts are doing.

Along with that, What did Senator Obama do to these kids other than the obvious inspiration he gave them? I'm asking real questions, however, that video is nothing to instill fear in any other human being. Are you afraid of their inspiration? Listen to their words. The fact that their wearing military outfits could be seen as patriotism.
Logic will free us all.
I believe both candidates have good intentions, however one candidate has more than just good intentions.


It's called brainwashing..and it's something that communist and socialist govt's our very good at.

Politics has no place in a elementary school, when I watched the video it reminded me of something you would see in North Korea, not the United States of America.

My middle name is James, and yet I have absolutely nothing to do with Rick James. Go figure that one out.

I don't care what his middle name is. I disagree with pretty much everything that comes out of his mouth.

He is successful at communicating that's pretty much the only thing I can see he's good at.

He is successful at communicating that's pretty much the only thing I can see he's good at.

Interestingly, that statement sounds similar to what liberals said about Reagan in 1980......in an election year frequently compared to 1980.

I just deliberately include it since the left-wingers tried to run it under just like they covered up Ayers, Wright, etc.

Same way Rush Limbaugh kept saying "William Jefferson, Democrat, Louisiana".

You mentioned you are not voting for McCain. Are you voting for McConnell? He needs you Auston, he needs you. :)

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/09/27/bluegrass_poll_mcconnell_in_trouble_in_kentucky.html

You mentioned you are not voting for McCain. Are you voting for McConnell? He needs you Auston, he needs you. :)

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/09/27/bluegrass_poll_mcconnell_in_trouble_in_kentucky.html

I am probably voting for Lunsford, just trying to find out what his position on the bailout is first before I pull the lever. McConnell supported last year's amnesty bill (big sin) and now supports the bailout (Another big sin). He is not a man of principle and therefore does not have my vote. In fact he lost it when he went for the golden parachute deal.

Interestingly, that statement sounds similar to what liberals said about Reagan in 1980......in an election year frequently compared to 1980.


Who would make that comparison? Please post some links, i'm really really interested in seeing how anyone can make that connection.

omg your not comparing Reagan to obama

Who would make that comparison? Please post some links, i'm really really interested in seeing how anyone can make that connection.

I don't believe you read what I wrote. I was comparing the election of 2008 to 1980, not Obama to Reagan. Obviously, one's impression of Obama & Reagan depends upon one's politics, so a comparison would be a waste of time anyway.

In 1980, Carter was unpopular and had little to run on. High energy prices, increasing inflation, increasing unemployment, and unpopular military endeavors abroad. So he had to make Reagan unelectable.

And it worked for a while. Carter was still competitive in September. His numbers weren't good, but he kept Reagan's down too by making him unacceptable.

But then the fall campaign rolled around, and Reagan's performance eventually led to the 9 point landslide vote. Everybody said "I want change, and this guy is perfectly acceptable."

That, plus the growing conservative revolution led to a 12 seat pickup in the Senate plus 34 seats in the House.

Same deal this year. Obama's 10 point margin today is primarily due to independents declaring him an acceptable alternative to energy, inflation, unemployment, and military problems associated with our current Republican president. Luckily for McCain, he's not in the administration. Unfortunately for McCain, he is in the same party.

Accd to polling, Dem gains will likely be in the neighborhood of 8 in the Senate & 15-25 in the House. Not quite as impressive as the showing in '80 by the Republicans, but historically dramatic nevertheless. 2006 + 2008 for Dems is comparable to 1978 + 1980 for Republicans, however.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/10/obama_passing_the_reagan_thres.html
http://www.forbes.com/2008/09/28/obama-mccain-debate-oped-cx_mc_0928cohen.html
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080907/NEWS0206/809070363
http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/oped/busch/08/2008-1980.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/13/opinion/main3936246.shtml
http://www.examiner.com/x-367-Politics-Examiner~y2008m7d7-The-Critical-Election-Year-of-2008-or-is-it-1980-all-over-again
http://townhall.com/columnists/MattTowery/2007/02/02/2008_presidential_election_like_1980_all_over_again

First two pages of google.

"He understands that this election, like the election of 1980, demands only one thing of the challenger: Make yourself acceptable." - Conservative contributor Charles Krauthammer

Yeah , i misread it the first time.
Amazing you caught it before i edited it (within minutes).

nice links thanks.

I'd never heard of Lunsford or McConnell so I did a little research. Local guys for Auston.

At least McConnell had the gun control issue right.