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Hey all, I may get a TCH to review for a few days. This will be my official thread to trash all this stuff out till I'm ready to post my review.

Plus I get to be the first post!

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Now this is cool! I can't wait to see what you can wring out of one of those, Dan! :D

Hi Dan:

___This is going to be fun to watch from the sidelines :)

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Tick-Tock...

Picking up the TCH in the morning.... ;). After all that XGauge Work, I'm gonna have to get out of my Prius for a few weeks :(

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Got the Camry... Full tank of gas too ;)

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Hi Dan:

___S1 through S4 temps if you can pull them IG18 is going to be a lot of fun of course. Also, inflate the tires to MAX sidewall. If you have some Mobil1 5W-20 or 0W-20, swap it out.

___Before you fill up, can you force charge her to 80% and drive until she's done around 45% for an AER number. Before you fill up for the review calibration tank and final tank that is ;) Comments on current draw vs. your Prius on a similar route. Steady state cruise FE with maybe 56% SoC at 50, 55, 60 and 65 mph while DWL on a relatively flat section of road over maybe 3 to 5 miles would be nice as well. Trying to come up with a Steady state number at 40 and below is darn near impossible. Your wife's thoughts on the TCH’s limited trunk space. VSC transition during some higher speed chicanes in an empty parking lot somewhere. I thought the Corolla XRS's VSC was way to limiting given the low profile 17” performance tires and such but I wonder if the Camry is also held to a real low YAW or lateral accel rate just like the Prius and Corolla's so equipped are?

___From the sounds of it, you have yourself setup for one heck of a fun week :D

___Good Luck

___Wayne

OK, baseline over lunch was 65.4 MPG. That was after S1 warm up so it's expected to be high. I gave my wife a clinic and she's pulling 50's out of it now (55.5 at last check). The drive is almost a perfect combo of the Prius and the FEH. Regen is surprisingly weak (lots of mass) and assist is pretty puny. The good news is that some of the new gauges work in the Camry as well. The "gps" gauge is real helpful and I find the ICE lights at about 20%. For the Prius the ICE lights at about 25%. The RPM -vs- LOD values are similar, but with a 2.4L, 1600 rpm and 82% LOD is pretty peppy. I'm retraining myself to sharper jerk for accelerations.

More later....

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Hi Dan:

___The real story is Shannon pulling 55 from it as that is news! Is she ready to take on all comers at the HF2008 FE Challenge in it ;)

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Few more points in my running train of thought.


The AC is MUCH beefier, so running it eats battery like candy.
Pulse at 1600 RPM seem right (IGN 18). This puts the "MPG" needle at 10 at slow speeds 20 at higher speeds. Easiest just to hold pedal position at 30% for pulse and you'll be in good shape.
Glides can be performed just like the Prius. Hold pedal position between 7% and 10% and the ICE will cut out. Without a pedal position sensor, this is pretty hard to find.
The battery seems to gravitate towards a higher SOC than I'm used to, but this may because the PSD is throwing more HP to the MG sets.
At 4 bars or more, EV is easy to hold. Just park the pedal position at about 15%. 20% will light the ICE so you have to be touchy.
The gas pedal is a bit more spongy than the Prius. Harder to feel if it's not gauged.


Camry Hybrid Gas Pedal Position XGauge (off =0%, floored =100%)
TXD: 024C
RXF: 010282440000
RXD: 4008
MTH: 000A00020000
NAM: gps

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I really like this car ALOT!!!!! Only draw back is Yota Thug dealers. I feel I need a body condom and a butt plate in place to walk on a dealers lot. Then a shower is required once I live thru it.

Would like to see one put thru its paces on your daily grind. :)

lol i drove one today, but with no EV BUTTON its a piece compared to my prius!

Its a nice ride though, but honestly the prius just beats it in every aspect EXCEPT shoulder support for the passengers in the back when you squeeze 3 back there lol.

and i dunno the fuel economy gauge and the dash, I think the prius is just better if it had the same luxury appointments :)

sometimes the engine idles and its close to the ev mode indicator, however, i still feel the engine idling... i dunno i just feel i have less control on what the engine does rather than the control i have over my prius with the ev button i guess.

Im curious to know what a highlander hybrid 08 model with a hypermiler can come up with, let alone trying to find a two mode guy as well!

... I think the prius is just better if it had the same luxury appointments ...


Uhhh, but it doesn't and you can't purchase a prius with the same creature comforts for any price... so your argument is just dumb...

And I don't know what benchmarks your using when you say the prius beats the camry in every way. It gets better fuel economy, but the prius is essentially an econo-box - the camry isn't. It wouldn't appear your too concerned about the fuel economy aspect of the prius however from looking at your FE stats in yor signature - so what gives with dumping on the camry?

The prius and the camry are two different cars for two different markets. If you want to be a gear head and run your car as a golf cart - go ahead. Not everyone wants to.

... so your argument is just dumb...


Lets keep it nice and avoid the personal jabs or insults, shall we ?

Cheers;

MSantos

Im curious to know what a highlander hybrid 08 model with a hypermiler can come up with, let alone trying to find a two mode guy as well!
Hi Phil, I got a chance to try hypermiling a 2008 Highlander Hybrid a month or two ago. I ended up with 5.6L/100km over 9km in the city. That was only something like my 3rd time driving a Toyota hybrid and my first attempt at hypermiling one, so I'm certain an experienced driver could pull out much more from it than what I managed.

OK... SHM update on the highway.... It is certainly squirly. Anyway... the numbers are Pulse at RPM/IGN/TPS of 1280/20/22 and glide at 1120/18/18. This yielded highway numbers of 50.3, 51.0 and 53.2. It's very hard though... You can't be on an incline for a glide... have to be downhill. Grade of the road makes a big difference. Also, if you ever pop the RPM above 1350, you have to go back to a low 1100 for about 5 seconds for things to reset. GPS (gas pedal gauge) is really required.

Pulse at GPS of 25.0, to enter a glide drop GPS to 10.0, once IGN drops below 19, you can slowly step GPS (in 0.5 increments) till your at TPS of 18 or 19 and IGN still at 18. Highest GPS I've seen in a glide was 20.0. The MPG dial is a hoot in SHM... I've seen it bounce from 40 to 60 with no change in RPM at all... really wild. Definitely follows IGN though.

Running the numbers... 50 MPG on the highway in a TCH is the same feat as 70 MPG in a Prius on the highway.

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so you wanna play eh...


Uhhh, but it doesn't and you can't purchase a prius with the same creature comforts for any price... so your argument is just dumb...


depends if your justification for driving a sedan over a hatchback, but that's all i see besides the badge "CAMRY" and the faster 0-60 time I can garrentee you a prius owner will carry more cargo than a camry person anyday. And you can almost get the same creature comforts, your just lacking the plasmacluster ion air filter, heated seats (unless the prius leather seats has a heat option), softer cushier ride, sunroof, ya da yada and of course mileage. 50 MPG compared to 70 mpg indicated by Dan's test is quite a benchmark... depends what your priorities are. But if your at this web site, you should already know what they are...

here in Canada the two cars are very priced similarity (so close they the two doesn't affect your budget if you were to pick one over the other)

And I don't know what benchmarks your using when you say the prius beats the camry in every way. It gets better fuel economy, but the prius is essentially an econo-box - the camry isn't.


i wouldn't say its a pure eco box, i hate it when they compare it to the corolla when its bigger in dimensions in every aspect. If you look at the numbers closely you'll notice the Camry may have more leg room and shoulder room but the prius eeks close with far more cargo room.


It wouldn't appear your too concerned about the fuel economy aspect of the prius however from looking at your FE stats in your signature - so what gives with dumping on the camry?


if your willing to give up some power, cargo and the look of a sedan, I just think a camry hybrid over a prius with similar price ranges (like i said here in Canada... ) the prius is just the better choice for value (c'mon epically at this site too). Unless you feel the name "Camry" and a sedan profile is extremely important to you... I'm sure many Europeans will digress that idea, however, you will probably give me "UH DO WE LIVE IN EUROPE IDIOT!?! attitude.". At least I'm positive their government is making better choices than what the North American government is doing... no offense that includes Canada... IMO


The prius and the camry are two different cars for two different markets. If you want to be a gear head and run your car as a golf cart - go ahead. Not everyone wants to.

I think the market is interested in having cheaper transportation, even if it results to driving like a golf cart :)

hey seftonm thanks for the review, 40 mpg US+++ for a 7 passenger suv? smack me!

so you wanna play eh...




depends if your justification for driving a sedan over a hatchback, but that's all i see besides the badge "CAMRY" and the faster 0-60 time I can garrentee you a prius owner will carry more cargo than a camry person anyday. !

If you had started with that point of view in your original post that would have been fine. You however went to make a judgement call about a sedan versus a hatchback and specifically call a very fine sedan "a piece" because it wasn't like you're beloved hatchback- but then went on to lament how you wish your hatchback was more like the camry??? If I were interested in hauling cargo, I wouldn't have chosen a sedan.

50 MPG compared to 70 mpg indicated by Dan's test is quite a benchmark... depends what your priorities are.

I have no doubt those results were from some pretty extreme hypermiling techniques... I've ridden in both a prius and a camry (my own as a matter of fact) with Dan as an occupant and as a driver. His techniques are not every day methods. Those techniques, if employed, will get you better gas mileage no matter what type of car, ICE or hybrid, you drive. I however, as well as a large number of drivers, am never going to be as proficient as Dan and a few of the others on this site, nor would I consider doing everything that is required to get those extreme results.

But if your at this web site, you should already know what they are...

I know what my priorities are, they're stated in my signature. I am interested in getting the best mileage I can while still maintaining a level of comfort and enjoyment from my drive.

Again, I'd like to point out that either you're not keeping your mileage in the DB up to date or you aren't putting many of the "priorities" or techniques discussed on this forum into practice. I would think that someone who visits this site often would at least get the EPA average for their hybrid vehicle. It doesn't matter if your car has the ability to get 70+ miles per gallon if you aren't able to achieve it in real world every day practice.



here in Canada the two cars are very priced similarity (so close they the two doesn't affect your budget if you were to pick one over the other

i wouldn't say its a pure eco box, i hate it when they compare it to the corolla when its bigger in dimensions in every aspect. If you look at the numbers closely you'll notice the Camry may have more leg room and shoulder room but the prius eeks close with far more cargo room. )
It has been pointed out in many posts that if you are only looking at the total bottom line in ownership costs and FE, that hybrids (of any make) don't return the same overall value as other less expensive ICE cars with good overall FE. One's choice to drive a hybrid often has motivations that go beyond the bottom line cost of ownership (like not invading other countries for oil, or funding terrorism, or reducing greenhouse gasses). If you hate comparisons between a prius and a corolla you should appreciate that folks who prefer a sedan hate it when folks compare the camry to a prius.




if your willing to give up some power, cargo and the look of a sedan, I just think a camry hybrid over a prius with similar price ranges (like i said here in Canada... ) the prius is just the better choice for value (c'mon epically at this site too). Unless you feel the name "Camry" and a sedan profile is extremely important to you... I'm sure many Europeans will digress that idea, however, you will probably give me "UH DO WE LIVE IN EUROPE IDIOT!?! attitude.". At least I'm positive their government is making better choices than what the North American government is doing... no offense that includes Canada... IMO Again, if you're only arguing auto price as a method for determing value, we'd all be better off hypermiling a Yaris or a Versa. If one were " willing to give up some power, cargo and the look of a sedan", there are a lot of alternatives to what we could drive.


I think the market is interested in having cheaper transportation, even if it results to driving like a golf cart :) I only brought this up because you were complaining that the camry didn't come with an EV button. That isn't an issue for most of us, even those who drive a prius, because at least down here, the prius doesn't come with them either - you have to spend money to have them added aftermarket - something not that many folks have done. I for one would love to have an all electric automobile.


EDIT: My apologies to Dan for getting this thread so far off topic.

Hi Phil and Swhoutx:

___Can you guys let Dan complete this blog and write-up a review please? SOB already.

___Phil, this is no place to snipe at the TCH as it is indeed an excellent ride and far more comfortable than a Prius by a long shot. If it was meant to get 60 + mpg on the highway, it would not do the 0 to 60 dance 2-seconds faster than the Prius.

___Swh, using advanced X-Gauge techniques to pull 50 from the Camry on the highway was probably Dan just showing you what is available from it with the advanced instrumentation. The Corolla with the Camry motor would pull 50 at 50 and that is with a stick running up around 2,300 R’s and with a Cd of .31! The Accord can pull 52 – 55 mpg at 50 just driving it although I have never drive a TCH in anything other than a stop light to stop light mess of a RT in downtown Milwaukee :( Another item… The Prius can only be bested by the Fit and the Yaris in terms of TCO (the Fit and Yaris are minimalist at best by comparison to the Prius of course) as it even beats the Corolla and Civic over any given 5-year period including the financing on the larger up front costs! I have not done the analysis on the TCH but in the case of the Prius, it really does shine in terms of both FE and TCO vs. just about everything!

___I just spoke with Dan and he is in a drive with a journalist in the TCH as I type. The journalist is pulling 45.x + mpg from the TCH as well :)

___Good Luck

___Wayne

OK... back to the review....

A few more observation.

Warm up happens fast... real fast. The larger engine gets you to operating temperature in a fraction of the normal (Prius) time.
All the grief over being able to EV and deadband glide in the Camry can be resolved with the "gps" XGauge. EV happens at 10-15% and deadband glide happens at 7-9%.
Even at 70 psi, the Camry is significantly quieter than the Prius. With a bit of practice you can catch the lunge of the engine cut though.
SHM is a great way to get you through warm-up. Park it at IGN=20 and tool around at 40 MPG while warming up.
The fully optioned Camry seats seem more comfy than the fully optioned Prius seats.
SOC seems kinda picky. You can do alot less in the Camry at 48% SOC than you can in the Prius at 48% SOC. In many cases it looks like ICE-off fails outright a low SOC, so keeping the pack up is imperative.
AC is absolutely murderous on SOC. Much thirstier than the Prius in this regard.
The upper end MPGs seem about 10% above what seems capable in the FEH. Even though these are almost a dead heat via EPA, I think the Camry would win.
DSG does work ;), but eats SOC like candy if you go through S1 twice.
Building charge in S1 is difficult. S1 creep is usually a net loss on SOC.
Interior space is similar, but the Camry seems (and is) larger across. This lends a nice effect in the cabin and feels like your getting a bit more space than you actually do.
Uncalibrated SGIIx seems to under report MPG by about 6%. This is a bit higher than I expected and can't quite put my finger on it.
There are some intangibles with the Camry that many people just like. If you ever encounter some one that starts a sentence with "I like the Prius... but..." the TCH may likely be the answer. Think I sold my Dad on one over the 4th.


As for commute data, here's my runs so far:
Drive in Monday with 1 pink bar to start = 13.3 mi @ 55.56 mpg
Drive home Monday with good 6 bars = 13.3mi @ 65.97
Drive in Tuesday with 4 bars SOC = 13.3mi @ 61.36 mpg


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Hi Dan:

___Great findings and the TCH’s FE numbers are impressive as hell! Are they coming in about 2/3 that of your Prius this time of year? I am doing the 46 vs. 34 numbers here and if so, the TCH appears to be holding a slightly higher % above the EPA than the Prius on the 08 specs.

___Also, did you do the top off to top off calc vs. the FCD yet? The Prius-I and II (base) were running about 5 and 3 over report during those drives and review vs. actual whereas the Prius Touring was almost dead on across the country for CBS?

___Good Luck

___Wayne

OK... back to the review....


SHM is a great way to get you through warm-up. Park it at IGN=20 and tool around at 40 MPG while warming up.

Hi Dan, my commute is relatively short (less than 8 miles and less than 18 minutes one way) the first five minutes or so is through school zones in the morning, and in congestion getting to the freeway in the afternoon so I don't get to SHM very much and my MPG during warmups really suffers. I know we discussed this at the clinic, but do you have any more suggestions now that you've had a few days of driving a TCH of your own?

...but do you have any more suggestions...


Engine block heater.

Wayne

Hi Wayne. thanks. That was one of the things we talked about at the clinic. I was just curious if he had any suggestions that didn't require hard modifications after having had a chance to drive some on his own. He really only got to spend a little time behind the wheel of mine when we met.

Hi Wayne. thanks. That was one of the things we talked about at the clinic. I was just curious if he had any suggestions that didn't require hard modifications after having had a chance to drive some on his own. He really only got to spend a little time behind the wheel of mine when we met.Hook up a gauge and find SHM in city driving. It works down in the 20 mph range too, it's just hard to stay out of EV. What you do is hold 1100 RPM for about 10-15 seconds, then watch for the MPG to bump about 10-20 mpg. Then the IGN will fall to about 17-18 if your lucky, you can settle with "Fair Highway Mode (FHM)" with an IGN of 19 or 20.

One other thing of interest... SG registers spuratic fuel-cut in SHM. Dialing up MPG on SGII shows 9999 then 54 then 64 then 9999 then 64... Interesting..

I watched LP and didn't see much unusual there. CLSD the whole time, but it must open if 9999 registers.

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Thanks for the input Dan. I may have to get me a SGII afterall. I am also going to play with a couple of different routes. There's one that looks promising but it is through a warehouse district that will work out pretty good unless one of the trains that stop frequently over the tracks and sit for long periods of time catches me.

Its been fun reading this....

Hey Dan. I haven't been using a scanguage or doing advanced techniques. I've had my TCH for about 120 days with a lifetime combined avg of 40.77mpg. If I can hold where I am for this tank i will hit 47mpg per mfd and realistically 45-46 by hand. With your experience do you think I should be satisfied with these numbers? I know when winter hits Chicago that I will take a hit. I figure I should hopefully be able to hold an average of 36mpg over the winter....hopefully. I don't know if 5-10mpg drop is reasonable to guess at.

Hey Dan. I haven't been using a scanguage or doing advanced techniques. I've had my TCH for about 120 days with a lifetime combined avg of 40.77mpg. If I can hold where I am for this tank i will hit 47mpg per mfd and realistically 45-46 by hand. With your experience do you think I should be satisfied with these numbers? I know when winter hits Chicago that I will take a hit. I figure I should hopefully be able to hold an average of 36mpg over the winter....hopefully. I don't know if 5-10mpg drop is reasonable to guess at.20% over EPA is good in any vehicle. What's an acceptable number depends a lot on your needs, but I think your doing great. Hitting big numbers takes certain sacrifices, like going without AC. This isn't an option for lots of people who can't really go to a client all sweaty.

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Hey Dan. I haven't been using a scanguage or doing advanced techniques. I've had my TCH for about 120 days with a lifetime combined avg of 40.77mpg. If I can hold where I am for this tank i will hit 47mpg per mfd and realistically 45-46 by hand. With your experience do you think I should be satisfied with these numbers? I know when winter hits Chicago that I will take a hit. I figure I should hopefully be able to hold an average of 36mpg over the winter....hopefully. I don't know if 5-10mpg drop is reasonable to guess at.

If your worried about your winter numbers in Chicago you need the engine block heater and to block up your grill.

Wayne

Thanks guys. I am going to do a search but incase you happen to know of better products or deals could you give me some ideas on both please? I will post what I find.

Here's the cheapest I found a block heater. $59

http://www.hybridutopia.com/toyota-67/camry-69/performance-74/toyota-camry-engine-block-heater-235.html

Try www.metrotpn.com. Actually call Jesse there and ask if it's the same for the Camry as the Prius. I believe with the new part numbers the block heater manufacturer has put out it is the same part number. If so contact Bradlee Fons at brad@milwaukeehybridgroup.com. The Milwaukee Hybrid Group is having a group buy right now for a better price. If your coming to Hybridfest you can maybe pick one up there. And if you pick it up at Hybridfest I'll install it for free at Hybridfest.

Wayne

Thanks. I'll check it out. I'm actually thinking about attempting the install myself. Someone posted installation instructions with pictures on GH for the TCH. I do appreciate the offer.

Unfortunately I won't be going to Hybridfest. I have an almost 7mo old and a 3 yr old. Right now I don't think my life expectancy would be to long if I took a road trip up there.

What do you use for covering the grill in the winter?

Foam pipe insulation.

Wayne

Hi All:

___I was fortunate enough to take out a newer hypermiler out in his 2008 TCH at the HF2008 Hypermiling Clinics on Sunday morning. Using IG18/19 and TPS 18/19 SHM, the driver achieved an excellent 61 mpg on a 20 + mile all highway round trip clinic to my amazement. It appears to work even easier than in the Prius as the ICE was not fighting to get away from it let alone being able to hold it even easier by all appearance. The student was wearing work boots of all things too ;)

___Good Luck

___Wayne

Alright sir.....can you put that in plain English for us noobs pleeeeeease? Thank you.

Maybe it's because I've never been on a flat stretch of road for a long enough time but the best I can get it to hold is 50mpg for about 5-10 minutes. I can't remember driving on flat roads for longer than that.

Hi CoolShock1:

___As we begin to push the hybrids to ever higher numbers, we are discovering what Dan did early on. You have to have a ScanGauge or other scanner capable of watching IGN (Ignition timing) in real time. TPS is throttle position sensor but it is the IGN that is the key in my 20 + miles of limited TCH highway driving. IGN of 18 or 19 and TPS of 18 or 19 and you are golden with 70 + showing on the iFCD (instantaneous fuel consumption display). Speeds were in the 48 to 55 mph range while DWL.

___As for hills, we were on State Route 12/18 in Madison and it has elevation deltas of ~ 50 - 75’ every mile or two so continuous light hills would describe the terrain. IIRC, the owner was setup at 50 psi all around and boy are the big engines easy to hold a great FE level vs. the “Battle royale” when driving the Prius and HCH-II.

___Good Luck

___Wayne

AH that makes sense now. I have found the slightly rolling hills to be my friend. You can still hold a decent FE on the upside by slowly losing some speed and then pick it back up riding the down slope. Is that how you guys achieved that high FE?

This is my first time in 20 years since I have driven a 4 cylinder. I was leary of it. I am suprised at how much power there is when you need it, but it also helps that I have totally changed my driving habits?

Your explanation of some of the acronyms and what you watch with the scan guage totally cleared things up for me. I guess I am already "working" some of the things you guys do, but I am just doing it blindly and ignorant.

I am pretty competitive so learning the TCH has kind of been like a game for me. I don't like being on the bottom end of the curve. Thanks for the explanation.

I have been running 42psi in my tires. I got my first oil change at the dealer last night (the first was at a local shop) and they set my tires back to 32. I asked them if they could put them back at 42 and they said ok but the guy sitting at the desk tried to tell my why I shouldn't go up that high. I explained to him how I got an increase of 2-3 mpg out of it and that it was safe to go up to the rating on the sidewall. He tried to tell me the rating wasn't true....then I laid some facts on him about how it was, how my company is in the tire industry in a roundabout way and how I have actually been in 2 of Cooper Tires manufacturing plants and talked to some knowledgeable tire guys. Then I asked him how many TCH's he's had come in with 46mpg on the MFD and he told me very few. He did say he gets a lot of Prii at that level and he thought that was good.....boy he doesn't know their capabilities does he??!!

Do you think if I increased the tire pressure any higher I would see much more gain?

I have the 2008 Nissan Altima Hybrid which, as you guys probably know, uses the same hybrid components as the TCH. I also have a SG.

Would most of Dan's and Wayne's recommendations for SG data apply to my NAH?

If not, any chance you can get ahold of an NAH to perform similar testing???:)

Thanks!
Eph

I have the 2008 Nissan Altima Hybrid which, as you guys probably know, uses the same hybrid components as the TCH.Cool... I actually didn't know that.

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Cool... I actually didn't know that.

Yup. Nissan licensed the electric motor and battery technology from Toyota. But, they mated it to their own 4 cylinder ICE.

So, since I don't see much info out there on SG usage with NAHs, I wonder -- should I try your data?

Also, from one of your earlier posts in this thread, Dan, you said:

Pulse at GPS of 25.0, to enter a glide drop GPS to 10.0, once IGN drops below 19, you can slowly step GPS (in 0.5 increments) till your at Tps of 18 or 19 and IGN still at 18. Highest GPS I've seen in a glide was 20.0. The MPG dial is a hoot in SHM... I've seen it bounce from 40 to 60 with no change in RPM at all... really wild. Definitely follows IGN though.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean in the bolded sentence. Since we control the GPS, why would it be that high in a glide? Aren't you supposed to coast in a glide?

Maybe I don't understand GPS correctly. Isn't it the measure of the actual percentage you press the gas pedal down?

Thanks!
Eph

sure... try the codes on the NAH. The question is really whether or not they used toyota's software. I suspect they used thier own, since they want all the Nissan SW tools to work.

As for GPS in a glide, I was referring to SHM which is a different beast. You pulse at light throttle, and glide at very light throttle.

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Well, the GPS XGauge codes didn't work. How did you figure those out? Is there a way for me to figure out what mine might be, or if I even have a sensor?

A guy hooked up a CAN protocol analyzer up the Prius and figured it out. I translated his work into Xgague code.

http://www.vassfamily.net/ToyotaPrius/index.html

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A guy hooked up a CAN protocol analyzer up the Prius and figured it out. I translated his work into Xgague code.

http://www.vassfamily.net/ToyotaPrius/index.html

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Yikes! An oscilloscope!

Any updates on SHM in the TCH? Anybody try this in the NAH yet?

Thanks!

Hi Cephraim:

___SHM can be seen without X-Gauges other than a minimum SoC it is allowed due to ICE charging of the pack. What you are looking for is a jump to a steady state high FE around 60 – 65 mpg at 50 to 55 mph with a specific IGN and at very low RPM. Below 1,350 RPM in fact.

___It will almost certainly not correlate to Toyota’s 14/18 (Prius-II) or TCH (18/18) but will be something else if Nissan allowed such a low RPM mode while attached to a THS drive.

___Good Luck

___Wayne