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#191 of 195 Re: I just don't believe it. by gagrice Jun 15, 2006 (9:15 pm)
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Replying to: bluesman125 (Jun 15, 2006 6:39 pm)

but 73MPG? NO. SALE.) Even under ideal conditions

There are those that get great mileage from both hybrids and non-hybrids. For me it is not worth the effort. I have such short trips that you can never get great mileage. Most of the folks getting the high MPG are very conscientious about every time they step on the throttle. They also are not just driving 3 miles to the store and home. You would need a little time and a fairly lengthy commute to master hypermiling to where you would get 73 MPG on your HCH. If you get the EPA rating you are doing good. Even then you have to make a conscious effort to conserve on fuel. Good luck and google hypermiler. You may learn something.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jun 15, 2006 9:15 pm) (http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX?14@@.ef86571/190)

I read your Post last evening and (Actually) over-looked making a (Reply) to it. I can tell you are dealing with the real world and not some {Make-Believe} FE (Fuel Economy) numbers from the HCH II. I own a HCH II and I can assure you that the car will not get the 49 MPG Rating that the EPA placed on it for the city cycle. Maybe I should clarify that statement for those that don't own the HCH II.

If you take off with less than 2,000 RPM and try to keep it actually around say 1,500 RPM on take-off from a standing start. Don't use the A/C hardly at all. Don't go over 60 MPH, really 55 MPH. You might get something like 47-48 MPG. Maybe

Now here is more the real world of driving one (HCH II) in Very-Short-City-Driving. Excellerate at more like 2,500 to 3,000 RPM from a Stop. Set Auto-Climate Control on 78 Degrees. Drive at speeds from 30 to 65 MPH. Don't for the most part (Hold-Up-Traffic) behind you. Your mileage will be 42 MPG as {Mine} is right now.

Now I can Post this here and I have No-Reason to Lie or Down Play the HCH II. This is more like the Real-World MPG of this car driving it like a normal car. I did not say that I Jump from Stops or that I pass the vehicle in front of me. I drive very smoothly but don't for the most part hold up the vehicles from behind. This as I just said gives me at the present time 42 MPG. The temperature here in Franklin, TN. is between 91-96 Degrees and some days High Humidity to go along with the Temperature.

My distance to work and back home is 6.1 miles from garage to dealership parking lot. I then drive about the same distance to lunch every other week. This is in the city driving {Usually} in traffic, bumper to bumper, stoplight to stoplight. If I use the Interstate which is 1-exit between home and dealership I drive at a speed of 65 MPH.

So like (You) have Posted above in (Your) comments. Yes there are people getting higher MPG than what I have just mentioned but believe me their distance/commute is much longer and they are paying {Extremely-Close-Attention} to every push of the Go-Pedal with {No-A/C} and all the rest of the Hypermiling Technics that they put into each and every drive of their vehicle.

To me it gets to a point where (I) question myself on how much Fun is this? With that being said I took the liberty to reset my instant-fuel-gauge-reading and put it on the Outside-Temperature-Reading and started enjoying my HCH II and driving it more like a normal vehicle and using it as (I) think any person would in their travels each day. I have found that now that (I) am not {Fixated} on the Instant-Fuel-Gauge-Reading that I may just really LOVE this New HCH II and keep it for a Very long time.

If anyone wants to read a (Very-Long) Post that (I) did on getting 66.7 MPG for a trip of 271.4 Miles Read Post #4 on the Link Below. So it can be done and this is how (I) did it. Not in the City http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/townhall/webxicons/emotorcons/at.gif 6.1 Mile Drives. There are Pictures of HCH II Gauges in this Link. Very Documented Review on Trip:
http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=548 (http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=548)

Note* Reason for Link here, The Post is Very-Long with Pics. I'm not sure about taking up that much room here so did Link to original-Post. Terry

Terry

Man I wish (We-Had) these Icons here on {www.CleanMPG.com} that are These {Little-Blue-Cars}. They are Really Too-Cool:
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[B]Terry, Wishing-Hoping-Praying-Wanting-Car-Icons: http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/townhall/webxicons/emotorcons/emo_wink.gif

Hi Terry:

___Thanks for the heads up. I will have to make a comment or two myself … Gagrice is a MB and Chevrolet Silverado hybrid owner IIRC and loves to bait the hybrid drivers into a never ending debate about they cannot do this or cannot do that. We know better of course but that is the way Edmunds runs their site … Post a few links and the Edmunds police are all over you. Troll and they love it???

___Tom, about those emoticons? Terry needs them really really bad :)

___Good Luck

___Wayne

i find driving for fe is more fun than driving normally... its just the other people that ruins my fun.

ya know, if everyone ever got the idea that driving for FE IS NORMAL........our gas crisis would be a lot less of a problem........sheesh

Last year (or so) I made the mistake of mentioning that I do NICE-On Coasting when safe & appropriate and one of the Edmunds staff jumped all over it.

He remarked that while his family was on a trip, he shifted to N and rode his brakes all the way down a long, steep grade which lead around a curve to a red stop light.
His brakes overheated and "careened out of control" through the red light, and only by the grace of God made out OK.
His followup:
"But hey, it's your life, not mine"

I told him about his poor judgement put his entire family, and others at risk and has nothing to do with my own situation.

A situation of 3:00AM zero traffic, abandoned roads, nearly level pavement and 20-35MPH speed for a few miles. Of course he insisted I was going to kill myself and everyone around.
I figured if the Edmunds staff is going to be so unreasonable then what's the point.

It's times like that which make me really appreciate a place to go like cleanMPG to read and discuss things objectively.

Last year (or so) I made the mistake of mentioning that I do NICE-On Coasting when safe & appropriate and one of the Edmund's staff jumped all over it.

He remarked that while his family was on a trip, he shifted to N and rode his brakes all the way down a long, steep grade which lead around a curve to a red stop light.
His brakes overheated and "careened out of control" through the red light, and only by the grace of God made out OK.
His followup:
"But hey, it's your life, not mine"

I told him about his poor judgement put his entire family, and others at risk and has nothing to do with my own situation.

A situation of 3:00AM zero traffic, abandoned roads, nearly level pavement and 20-35MPH speed for a few miles. Of course he insisted I was going to kill myself and everyone around.
I figured if the Edmund's staff is going to be so unreasonable then what's the point.

It's times like that which make me really appreciate a place to go like cleanMPG to read and discuss things objectively.
Hot Georgia,

I have heard from very reliable sources that (I Trust) about other instances about how the (Mods) over at Edmund's operate. Yours is another "SAD" example of (Poor-Judgement) from the same Forum. :(

This is just a personal note on this, I think to each his own. As long as the person stays within the guidelines of what is "Legal". What one driver is comfortable with and works just fine for Him or Her may be {Very-Unnerving} to another driver. Neither is wrong but simply what works for one and is a joy/fun thing to do, is to another driver in their environment unsettling, tiring, work and just plain uncomfortable.

The thing that I find hard to understand is why each person/group for some reason cannot/will not try their best to understand and tolerate the other. There really is no right or wrong, simply decisions on each others part as to what they are comfortable doing in their daily driving, It being short distances and or very long commutes to work or trips. I'll just wish probably that I don't use this as an example here about the Public but it does in this instance seem to be most appropriate. Two-Highly Volatile subjects IE, Religion and Politics. Used here only as I think an excellent example of what people just go emotional about and each in their opinion is "Right". Same as this subject on driving styles, neither person is any more right or wrong than the other but neither will back off and give the other the right to use their judgement in the way they want to drive.

Life goes on but it's Sad :( to me that sometimes the public has such little regard for the other person and their individual right to think and act on their own. What is comfortable to them on the highways and streets of "America", which so many Americans have Fought and Some Lost their Lives to "Defend", is the right for all here to be able to make that decision in the 1ST place. I'm done:

Terry

i find driving for fe is more fun than driving normally... its just the other people that ruins my fun.

:) good stuff!

we all have our little diversions. this happens to be ours.