The Echo and the Mountains (56k warning)

Discussion in 'My Ride' started by lamebums, Feb 18, 2008.

  1. lamebums

    lamebums Member

    A bit of an update--instead of doing 60 MPH, I now do 55 uphill, DWL'ing to 50. Downhill... I'll just let it roll however fast it goes. I've got it up to 75 a few times...

    And I've replaced NICE-ON coasting with Fas on the longer declines (anything > 15 seconds). It's pushed my commutes into the low 50's if I can avoid too much traffic.
  2. lamebums

    lamebums Member

    Update--I used YouTube's new annotation capability and added subtitles to my driving videos (at the very top of my first post in this thread.)
  3. Kevin108

    Kevin108 Well-Known Member

    Formerly, it was with the Bunnymen. :Banane08:
  4. kelly.cardona

    kelly.cardona Well-Known Member


    Great video of your commute, that does help out a lot to see what others do for their commute.

  5. lamebums

    lamebums Member

    Added my "morning commute" which was way, way overdue. Now everyone on CleanMPG finally gets to see I-275. :)
  6. shifty35

    shifty35 Well-Known Member

    Not sure why you get so much beeping when FAS'ing? My wife's Echo only takes a quick key-off / key-on to kill the engine, definitely not long enough for it to beep even once.

    An Insight would eat that commute up. :D
  7. Right Lane Cruiser

    Right Lane Cruiser Penguin of Notagascar

    Was that the seat belt warning beep??

    Are you sure your ODO is running when you're FASing? I FAS like crazy and don't have anywhere close to 1mi missing on my 22mi commute...

    I agree, Ben -- the Insight would like that commute! :)
  8. lamebums

    lamebums Member

    The beeping happens after I key back to IG-2. It only takes a second or so for the engine to completely stop before I key back. I'm not sure how or why, though?

    Not sure what beeping it was.

    The ODO runs in a FAS, but the Sg takes ~10 seconds to register anything new. So my MPG doesn't rise in a Fas until after 10 seconds has elapsed--my reported MPG's are in fact lower than what it probably really is. :eek: Especially when rolling downhill at 50+ MPH the distance the Sg misses begins to add up.

    There can be as much as a 40 mile discrepancy between the Sg and the ODO when I go fill it up.

    With regards to the Insight liking the commute, I've maintained the entire time that the only two things that would do better on my commute is either an Insight or a small diesel with plenty of torque down low. :)

    You're welcome to come down to Kentucky any time and drive the hills in the Insight. Remind me the clutch position in the Insight is way, way further back than in the Echo, though. (Yes, and I drove the blue car in the WFEC.) LOL
  9. Right Lane Cruiser

    Right Lane Cruiser Penguin of Notagascar

    Ouch!! I don't want to hear that!!! :(
  10. lamebums

    lamebums Member

    You should have seen me try to drive those Insights up Larry's driveway. I'm not used to a gutless three-cylinder engine. :)

    Whirrrrrrrrrr as the engine passes 2,000 rpm's with the clutch in, then I hit the clutch position, keep going, putt-putt-putt... Splat. Stalled. :eek:
  11. shifty35

    shifty35 Well-Known Member

    Heh, once you get the hang of it, the Insight is *impossible* to stall. If it starts to stall, just mash the gas and the electric motor brings you out of it. ;)

    My Insight has a brand new clutch as of March.

    There are plenty of big hills around here that I exploit.... errr, use to my advantage during my commute. ;)

    I read something last night about the Echo's MAF sensor getting gummed up fairly easily. I need to check our Echo's and clean it before sale.

    I've seen reports of 40 --> 47 mpg as a result of cleaning a dirty MAF.
  12. Right Lane Cruiser

    Right Lane Cruiser Penguin of Notagascar

    This also means it is a little more picky about FASing. If you are just a little too quick it will spin it up from an RPM too low for a normal vehicle. I run the ragged edge in my Elantra and I just can't do that in the Insight. :eek:
  13. lamebums

    lamebums Member

    The only Cel my car has thrown since I got it was when I didn't tighten the gas cap properly. I'll have to check those sensors though. Maybe 70 MPG is indeed a possibility on a regular basis. :)
  14. shifty35

    shifty35 Well-Known Member

    Apparently a dirty MAF can hinder performance without setting a CEL.
  15. lamebums

    lamebums Member

    I need to start driving even slower. I've flirted with 70 a few times, including a 70.8 with a warmed-up engine once, but never this:


    I got this coming home the other day. Cold engine, still hit several lights. So 70 was indeed a real possibility. I got the molasses (10W30) oil out of my car maybe that made a difference? Or it was the 65 PSI? Also I took the cut in the hill doing 40 MPH instead of 50 over in the truck lane, four ways on (just like a semi. LOL)

    Just wait until next year when I get my crappy tires replaced and press those suckers up to 80 PSI with some Mobil1 0W-20 and grill block it. And stop hitting so many damn lights :angry: I'm gunning for a 70 MPG tank next spring.

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