Where are all the Prius people?

Discussion in 'Start Your Journey Here' started by hobbit, May 20, 2006.

  1. hobbit

    hobbit He who posts articles

    Well, having finally met xcel and krousdb and a host of
    others at Tour de Sol last week, it was suggested that I
    *must* jump onboard here... some of you may recognize me
    from frequent spew into Priuschat and the prius_technical_
    stuff yahoogroup, where I mostly hang out. The goals and
    "neighborhood feel" here seem right up my alley too, so
    here I am.
    With the same line-editing weirdness issues as I wind up
    having using a text browser against any php-based bboard,
    evidently... oh well, at least it's readable.
    Anyway, what I *don't* see yet is as much traffic about
    Prius mpg technique as I would have expected. Am I looking
    in the wrong places? I can probably contribute a reasonable
    amount in this area, although a lot of it may simply be
    rehashes of everything you've already heard from Wayne!
  2. tbaleno

    tbaleno Well-Known Member

    Welcome to the site. I don't know why there aren't more prius owners. It seems all the boards I go to prius owners don't tend to post as much as other owners. Maybe the are content and don't feel the need to post.

    Well, I hope it doesn't scare you off or make you feel unwelcome. If you know other prius owners that are "into" Fuel Economy then drag them in here kicking and screaming. We need diversity.
  3. hobbit

    hobbit He who posts articles

    Well, I'm not particularly worried about it... I see them playing
    the fine-points numbers game over in the other forums, so this
    site ought to have some interest for them and I'll definitely
    point it out.
    My latest effort is taking shape in [and now I get to see if
    URL posting actually works]:
    and I've got a few ideas about a low-rpm DWL equivalent for
    the Prius, although it needs a little more testing.
    This is like a year-and-change I've had this car, and I'm *still*
    learning how it works...
  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Hobbit:

    ___I watched you join tonight and was not sure if you would find something you liked here or not? We push tanks but not from a purely technical aspect. Rather it is more along the lines of the “Art” of Hypermiling if I might be so bold. I am still contemplating posting the Prius II P&G mini-guides in the King James version but with so few Prius II participant’s, I thought I would hold off until a few more showed up? Since you are here, I better get to it :D

    ___From my past reads of your posts, your expertise resides deep inside the Prius II’s inner workings. I don’t think we have those types of Prius II owners here yet but in time, they will arrive. That is when it could get very interesting … Your patented “Warp Stealth” mode is similar to the LGA (Low Gear Advantage) to N (Neutral) in the FEH which makes that monster sing too!

    ___In either case, it was really great to meet you at the Tour Del Sol this past week given I have been a fan of yours for a while now. I do not post into that particular YaHoo group given my lack of a Prius but the threads are in my In-Box every day and the best ones are given more then just a cursory glance.

    ___Please introduce yourself since there are many here that may be interested in knowing what kind of individual they are now speaking with/reading from as well as what you have offered the hybrid community in the recent past. I have a feeling many members of CleanMPG would find your prose more then just a little interesting ;)

    ___Good Luck and welcome indeed!

  5. philmcneal

    philmcneal Has it been 10 years? Wow

    yeah let us know everything you know about your prius II. Curious since my car is getting boring now ;)
  6. tarabell

    tarabell Well-Known Member

    That warpstealth page you did is pretty amazing. Hope you stay and contribute more. I think good stuff like this tends to attracts more good stuff.
  7. hobbit

    hobbit He who posts articles

    Heh.. I thought posting here *was* introducing myself! Well, I
    just filled in my "homepage" spec which pretty much lays it all out --
    between my own hacks and the "linkfarm" where I point to a
    thousand other ratholes/resources, I try to point people at that
    one starting point [including out in the real world, by handing
    them flyers with the URL printed on it] for all their Prius
    and hybrid needs. Now, of course, I gotta add cleanmpg to that..
    My eyes were opened to some pretty OCD driving styles last week --
    that's not a slam, but gave me a little more perspective on where
    the ends of the spectrum are. Please don't mind if I land just
    slightly inboard of the "hypermiler" end and try to also read
    the presumed needs of the traffic around me a bit more, always
    within reason. I've always been pretty calm and mellow behind
    the wheel, but now I'm wondering what proper technique could
    have gotten me in, for example, my old Isuzu Trooper...
    My big thing this year is something like "how to convince the
    common redneck to stop driving like a butthead". Probably a
    futile effort, but as I drive around in my own rather "overdamped"
    fashion it feels like I create a little island of calm around
    me, similar to the effects described in the "traffic waves"
    articles... which the occasional butthead will zip into and
    try to disrupt and usually exit again fairly quickly, but then
    go on to screw up some other knot of traffic. I'd like to come
    up with some convincing arguments that when brought forth when
    just casually talking to people would really get them thinking
    about how they drive and how they could improve. But since
    auto marketing and the culture we still have surrounding the
    car in this country is much bigger than I am, my only hope may be
    the price of gas. But for that to get out of control may only
    promote more violence and attitude on the part of the people
    I'm trying to reach.
    But if I could work up some convincing piece of text or the
    script of a talk or whatever, that would be something to have
    passion about and try to go around delivering. I'm sure the
    longterm numbers and accident figures and such would speak for
    themselves given wide adoption of sensible driving and/or
    better enforcement, but most people have this problem with
    seeing long-term... which in itself is a major component.
  8. philmcneal

    philmcneal Has it been 10 years? Wow

    exactly what i was thinking. If people are easily influenece by the media, flashly things or what not. Then there must be an easy way to convince those whom we are interested in, there is a magic formula... just haven't cracked it yet.

    Good to have you here!
  9. krousdb

    krousdb Defiant NX-74205

    Great to see you here Hobbit! I have heard of Warp Stealth before but never knew what it meant. You did a great job describing it and the graph is very interesting. I have always suspected that something like that was going on and have used it in the past. Something to remember for the next Tour De Sol!

    Also, It would be great to have more Prius owners here. Maybe you can recruit some choice individuals from Prius Tech or Prius Chat? I would be happy to participate in the conversations but I may be rusty since my wife is the main driver of the Prius now.
  10. tigerhonaker

    tigerhonaker Platinum Contributor


    I did not know that you were aware of the (Some) drivers here in Nashville, TN. :confused:

    Hobbit's comment from above:
    {My big thing this year is something like "how to convince the
    common redneck to stop driving like a butthead

    There are just a (Few) of those drivers here locally. :rolleyes:

    Terry (tigerhonaker)
  11. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    I can't answer your question, but they are definitely welcome here!

    Wild guess - many of the charter members were Honda people. Also, a lot of Honda hybrids are 5-speed, allowing us to be fuel control freaks and more to talk about.
  12. psyshack

    psyshack He who posts articles

    Welcome Hobbit

    Ive seen your post elsewhere and have read them with intrest.

  13. hobbit

    hobbit He who posts articles

    okay, is there some reason I'm not allowed to start
    new threads, and yet allowed to freely comment on existing
    ones? No other bboard I've run into even makes that
  14. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    Some forums such as "In The News" only allow administrators to start threads. Most forums here allow non-moderating members to start a thread.
  15. tbaleno

    tbaleno Well-Known Member

    Yeah. I think the news forum and the articles forum need special permission to start a thread. You should be able to post new threads in all the other forums. Let me know if you are having problems and I'll look into it.
  16. hobbit

    hobbit He who posts articles

    Oh, okay. I was trying to figure out the best one to post my
    throttle-control thoughts/rant and it almost looked like "articles"
    was the best place. Maybe "fuel economy" instead?
  17. tbaleno

    tbaleno Well-Known Member

    If it is a good article we can always move it from where ever you put it to the article forum. I suspect it will be good :)

    The reason for the article and news forums being "moderated" is because the have a special place on the front page and we want to make sure the front page stays looking nice.
  18. gonavy

    gonavy Well-Known Member

    warp stealth- sounds very similar to IMA-based ICE-on in-gear coasting. Just that tad of go-pedal to cancel out regen, but maintain openloop ops/fuel cutout. Easily doubles my coasting range over simple foot-off.

    Without all the MG1 and spinning ICE with the traction motor stuff.
  19. wvwaterfall

    wvwaterfall New Member

    Hi Hobbit,

    Great explanation of warp stealth! I've been using this technique periodically for the two and a half years I've had my Prius to great advantage. One variation I use it for is to supplement use of cruise control on the interstate with warp state application on down hills. For the last year or so I've religiously set the cruise on 55 mph on the 70 mph posted interstates here in WV, so that leaves plenty of room for additional speed on the many downhills on our highways. Using warp stealth not only helps the mpg compared to just leaving the cruise control on, but it also gets me where I'm going a little quicker!

    Even on rural roads I sometimes apply this technique. Lately I've been taking a non-interstate route to and from work. Actually, I take one route to work, another home, because each offers a short steep uphill followed by a long gradual downhill that works great in one direction but hurts mpg in the other direction. Because there are limited opportunities to pass, I try to be curteous to other drivers who catch up to me by dumping my pulse and glide technique and maintaining a more constant speed at or close to the speed limit, which ranges from 35-50 mph. With the frequent topographic ups and downs I find warp stealth to be a helpful tool on those down grades as well, even as my speeds stays near constant.

    With all the cold mornings of late I find myself hovering around 64 mpg for recent tanks. Looking forward to warmer weather and higher numbers!

    Dave Bassage

    ps - the redneck challenge is prominent here as well, but with such low traffic density it's less of an issue.
  20. efusco

    efusco He who posts articles

    I'm here, and I check the site almost daily, but it's about 5 down my list of 'regular' Prius/hybrid sites so I haven't contributed a whole lot. more of a semi-lurker status I guess. Anyway, I'm glad you're part of this group Hobbit.

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