LED issues with honda Insight...

Discussion in 'Honda Hybrids' started by Blake, Nov 29, 2007.

  1. Blake

    Blake Well-Known Member

    Nor is it as cheap.... Thats the orignal point I had. The only way to get a true HID system, thats safe (not burning your car up), legal, has the correct light output, is to spend $$$$. If you could find a set of Insight headlamps and a set of any other car that has HID's, you could theoretically fit them in there.

    There was a guy on the subie forums that took the "halo" effect HID's from a BMW and modded them to fit in his STi. It ended up costing him ~$2000 but it looked cool and the light output was great.

    I hate to mod my headlamps without having a spare set... if you mess up you'll end up with really bad lighting at night :( which is the exact opposite of what we want.
  2. highwater

    highwater Well-Known Member

    I used an HID kit that included the ballasts.
    I did not modify the lamp enclosures.
    I used a bulb that has a halogen element for brights.
    The proposed plug and play propogada from the supplier was bogus on the Insight. Apparently the Insight is not a normal vehicle.....hmmmm.
    Had to re-wire the kits three prong connector to get it to work on the Insight.
    Much whiter/brighter roadway, and only been asked to dim 1 time since installation. The DC/dc is soooo-much happier. The MPI fan has not come on but one time since. And yes, I checked it to see that it still works, the fan, that is.

  3. Blake

    Blake Well-Known Member

    I saw some kits that had halogen bulbs for the brights... How long have you had them in the car?
  4. highwater

    highwater Well-Known Member

    1st of August.
    I had them in house before HF07 in July, but no time to install until I got back.

  5. Right Lane Cruiser

    Right Lane Cruiser Penguin of Notagascar

    I found the relay that would allow me to do that but it was suggested in one of the forums here that I might get a CEL if the ECU is checking performance of relays... Given the FAS switch isn't that much more complicated to do and is a superior functionality to add to the car I'm thinking that is the way to go...

    If I do install HIDs it won't be the bulb replacements. I'll do the full ballast treatment.

    Randall, would you mind giving a ballpark number for the price of the kit you used?
  6. Blake

    Blake Well-Known Member

    The kit I saw that had high and low beam bulbs (like randall was describing) with balasts was ~$400 I think. Thats almost worth it to me. I like being able to see at night and HID's are very nice ;)

    Dang you Sean, talking me into doing more mods.. haha
  7. Right Lane Cruiser

    Right Lane Cruiser Penguin of Notagascar

    Wanna fly up here and practice on my car? ;)
  8. Blake

    Blake Well-Known Member

    How about I drive... I could go for another tank record, but it would have to wait till spring. I want a 1,000 mile tank!
  9. Blake

    Blake Well-Known Member

    Finally got dark here.

    LED's on the left.

    LED's on the right.

    more to come in a sec.
  10. Right Lane Cruiser

    Right Lane Cruiser Penguin of Notagascar

    Sure! Looks like my place is roughly 1230mi from where Google Maps pegged Cary, NC.

    Did I mention I lived in Durham for a year before moving up here?

    Nice photos! I like the hypermiler and Apple stickers. ;)
  11. Blake

    Blake Well-Known Member

    Theres a green, "Try ECO driving, Not EGO driving" sticker cut in half longways so its one long sticker at the top... along with a terrapass sticker on the left hand corner.

    I like my stickers :)

    Ok, update. I went out to get my dad help me take a picture of the brake lights and they will not light up. Brake light fuse is blown.... Replaced it and it blew instantly again.

    Weird. Either the tail lights blow or the brake lights blow... anyone got any ideas why?

    I don't have LED's in both sides, could that be the issue? I'll try that tomorrow when it get light outside, but for now I had to put the regular bulbs back in for the drive home.
  12. msirach

    msirach Well-Known Member

    We have OEM HID's in the Prius. They are a single bulb in each side with the shade being slid out farther when the high beam is on. The single bulb is not an issue. On high, it is much brighter and the projection is increased.

    I'm going to do some searching about the quality and operation. One of my front marker lights is burned-out on the Insight, so I would like to order the led's for them and the rear if you find out what the issue is.
  13. Blake

    Blake Well-Known Member

    The only issue is the brake lights... That and the flashers for the turn signals, but thats an easy fix.

    I'm thinking it might be the fact That I have one LED and one normal bulb... Its really strange right now because if the bulb is turned one way the tail lights work and the brake light fuse blows, turn it around and the brake lights work and the tail light fuse blows.

    Sounds like an issue with bulbs to me, but I'll go ahead and try to get both in there to see if that fixes it.
  14. lightfoot

    lightfoot Reformed speeder

    Wonder if it's the contacts on the base of the LED bulb not agreeing with the contacts on the socket and shorting out?
  15. Blake

    Blake Well-Known Member

    its the only thing I can think of. Either that or they have to be installed in pairs (which doesn't make sense)

    Since I'm home and I don't have to worry about tail lights going out, I'll go to the garage and put them both in and see what happens.
  16. shifty35

    shifty35 Well-Known Member

    So tail light and brake light are two separate circuits. Usually bulbs have two filaments, one for brake, the other for tail light / parking light.

    Chances are on the LED bulb, some of the LEDs are used to brake, some for tail. In this case, there are two circuits, one of which is shorted out. Turn it one way, tail shorts. Turn the other, brake shorts.

    I suppose if they were clever they could make all the LEDs light at one brightness when tail and another for brake... doutbful though.
  17. SlowHands

    SlowHands Hypermiling Ironman

    I think Lightfoot might be onto something, I've seen that problem of mismatched contacts before - one of the cases I saw had the contacts 90 degrees from 'correct', another had the contacts out of line enough that 1 was center and the other was near the edge. Another possiblity is that the LED bulb locating/retention pins are pushing the bulb in so deep that the contacts are shoved deep into the holder and contacting the outer/back of the socket causing dead short.
  18. Blake

    Blake Well-Known Member

    The LEDs I got for the tail lights are supposed to be compatible with my bulb type. It does have four leads on it. While testing to find out what is going on I did notice when I flipped it there was a noticeable difference in brightness, which is what the bulb is designed to do... half power for normal tail lights and full power for brakes. It would be cool if I could get them to work.

    I've tried both LEDs in both housings and both together... they just blow one fuse or the other. Not sure what's going on, but I'd really like to get them working since besides the headlamps, the tail lights are the biggest user of power on the car... I'd say maybe more than headlamps in terms of total power usage since the headlamps are not always on.
  19. msirach

    msirach Well-Known Member

    Have you checked the resistance of the park versus taillight terminals and checked to make sure there is not a ground with an ohm meter?
  20. Blake

    Blake Well-Known Member

    alrighty, I'm ashamed to admit this, but with all the tinkering with cars I've done.. including adding plenty of electrical equipment. I have never owned a ohm meter until three days ago since I saw it as one of the required tools for my MIMA install. I just opened it up. Not knowing how to use it I just pluged in the leads and clicked it on to the 20M and after that there is an omega symbol. Logical would say that stands for ohms ;)

    Now are you refering to the actual bulb housing or the LED's themselves. I touched the probes to all the leads coming off the bulb and when I touch the two probes to the leads across from one another (opposite side of the plug) a picture would probably help here... I get a reading of 0.001 that flickers to 0.000

    I'm assuming that means its grounded.

    No clue what all that means in terms of my problems, or even if it means anything, but :) at least I look smart playing with it. haha

    The normal bulbs are back in the car and they are working fine. Curious....

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