I agree with everything Maxx just said , except : Little ? Maybe in North America. I think it's pretty big. And there seems to be no ( or very few ) Ioniq's in the Chicago metro area. The gold standard remains the Prius and Prime. The insight is pretty good , but it's a sedan. Of course , there are darned few hybrids of any kind on dealer lots around here. Dealers need to make room on their 40 acre facilities for 10 acres of SUV's.
Edited... re: acres of SUVs - It's hard to turn down offers like 20% off MSRP for your GM FSP!!! It's only $400/month and that's what my paycheck affords, so let's do this! Crazy.
Hi Chris: Hyundai has pulled way back on 2020 Elantra incentives and I have not found a hot deal on one in months. In many cases, they are following the Honda model and posting Lease deals that are anything but deals. That said, here in CA, the dealer lots have plenty of Ioniqs but they are only discounting by a Grand. In contrast, I picked up the Prius Prime for $3,300 off retail with a $3,500 Toyota rebate and $750 Toyota-Uber rebate on top of that. Plus the Fed TC and State tax rebate. The Ioniq PHEV with just $1k off and the Fed and State deals had it at $6,500 more than an equivalent Prime. Wayne
Maybe not trucks , but LOTS of SUV/CUV's. Yup. If/when I'm ready to pull the trigger on a new car , I will search again for an Ioniq HEV or PHEV. Right now , I'm not liking what I see at the dealerships on my Sunday morning bike ride.
Tacoma is a big seller, and it is one of the least efficient midsize pick-ups available. The Tundra and Sequoia are worse than Ford's and GM's offerings.
The big T's fleet average is probably riding on the 'coat tails' of the successful hybrids. No need to work as hard on the FSPs, right?
One reason I bought our 2013 & 2016 Elantras, it had the widest backseat for a small car that would readily seat 3 people much better than a Prius. The 2021 Elantra backseat is over an inch wider now. The present Elantra length is 4(?) inches longer than our Elantras. If we ever get another vehicle (our Elantras may outlast us), I'd like to keep it somewhat shorter so we can get the ferry crossing discount for short vehicles.
I will eat my words. The local Hyundai dealer has 5 Ioniq's. No plug-ins , which is what I would prefer.
Hi All: Highlights from the reveal in video... 2021 Hyundai Elantra Reveal Highlights From the 2021 Elantra Hybrid photos, the 10.25" driver and central displays will be available or possibly std. Wayne
Hi All: From the Korea Consumer site, the 2021 Elantra Hybrid is rated at 21.1km/l (US Spec with 6-speed DCT and 16" tire) -- 49.6 mpg combined vs the Ioniq - 22.4 km/l -- 52.7 mpg combined. Since I am not sure if the Ioniq was a blue or SEL/Limited trim number from the Koran FE ratings, let us just consider the Elantra Hybrid provides approximately 94.1 percent of the efficiency of the Ioniq. In U.S. terms, the 2021 Hyundai Elantra Hybrid (non-Blue trim) is rated at 55/54/55 mpgUS city/highway/combined. The Korean delta would indicate the US spec 2021 Elantra Hybrid should come in around 52/51/52 mpgUS city/highway/combined. Just an early indication anyway??? This result by comparison to the Corolla LE Hybrid at 53/52/52 appears to be very competitive. Looking into the new 2021 Elantra Hybrid's interior, here is the full spectrum pic of the front driver/passenger area. 2021 Hyundai Elantra Hybrid Interior While Hyundai introduced its N-Line higher performance variant of the Elantra, they did provide a few more details on the 2021 Elantra Hybrid's expected launch date. New Elantra Hybrid Electric on the way The 2021 Elantra Hybrid is due to go on sale in Korea during the third quarter of 2020; sales in global markets will follow soon after. Elantra Hybrid is equipped with the Ioniq's 1.6L GDI Atkinsonized I4. The permanent-magnet electric motor will deliver 32 kW, powered by a Li-Ion-polymer battery with 1.32 kWh of capacity positioned under the rear seats. The 1.6L GDI combined with the electric motor in Elantra Hybrid delivers a total system output of 139 hp and up to 195 lb-ft of torque. The high-efficiency electric motor has an electric-only driving mode that delivers instantaneous torque at low speeds, with available power-assist at higher vehicle speeds. The 2021 Elantra Hybrid is projected to have a combined EPA-estimated fuel economy rating of more than 50 miles per gallon... Wayne
This indicates the not-so-slow demise of the Ioniq iiftback , at least in HEV/PHEV form. This Elantra is nice , but if I want a sedan , I'd still get the Insight.
Hyundai is making the Ioniq an Electric sub-brand. Starting with a 'compact' SUV. I once read that Korea uses the EPA fuel economy test cycles.What goes on before the actual test is probably different.
I suspect the Ioniq eCUV will be a de-gassed Nexo with a little cosmetic surgery, where the Nexo itself is sort of a Tucson with a boob job. Degassing the Nexo - removing the H2 tanks and fuel cell, and bolting in battery packs in their place, will go a long way toward creating a ready-made Ioniq'uinox ready to lease to soccer moms in CARB states. The test mules for the Hyundai "45", where the name ends up being a number representing the average cost per day on the lease payment, seem interesting. Very much a liftback, and taller than a sedan but not the typical Mini-Me On Stilts form factor of compact crossovers.
They, there are three models announced, will be on a dedicated EV platform; Electric Global Modular Platform(E-GMP). I couldn't find technical details about it, but I expect it will be like VW's and Tesla's, which use flat skateboard batteries.
