Hot Deal – New 2020 Toyota Prius Prime LE for $16,529 + TTL

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    And now a $4,500 rebate for a 2020 Toyota Prius Prime purchase from NY State. What other car can you purchase for < $16k brand new? Any car let alone a $30k Prime? WOW!!!

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    Wayne
     
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  2. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Let’s see. The 4 used tires, now giving better performance on our Hyundai Accent cost.....$29 for the 2 over-sized front tires(seller wouldn’t take a dollar more). Gone 20K miles w/15K left on the tires. Left rear over-sized tire...$12.50. Gone 20K with 13K left. Right rear over-sized tire....$10. Gone 20K miles w/40-50K miles to go. Oh yeah.... this tire(never mounted) had a 70K warranty(to the original buyer, not me) appears it’ll get 60K miles, if not more. Total price, $51.50.
    Car handles better than it ever did with new tires. Yes, new tire dealers wouldn’t sell the larger tires to me, that I wanted. Also, over-sized tires give better MPG & highway worthiness.
    8-16-2020
    PS.... Oh, I forgot. Brands of used tires are MasterCraft 440’s (sold thru Sears) & the $10 tire was BF Goodrich. Did I say the used BFG had a 70K warranty & was never mounted? Yes, I did say it had a 70K warranty & was never mounted.
     
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  3. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Good for you, litesong. I can't even give away decent old tires and wheels for vehicles I don't have any more because of our litigious society. Tire stores won't take them to GIVE to anyone who needs them. Liability.
     
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  4. litesong

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    I’ll take them.....’except I got too many used tires, already. Got to drive more & use more of my used tires...... OK, so I’m driving a lot more. But boy, my state is beautiful!!! & I feel that so much of the state is mine now, that I am driving so much.
     
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  5. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Ah. Another advantage of used tires. However, my over-sized “spare” tire over-fills my tire well in the trunk.
     
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  6. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    $4,500 IF (big IF) you find a Yota dealer who actually has a Prime.
     
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  7. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    I checked. There are a few within 25 miles of Bolingbrook. (my own reference location outside Chicago) Selection and deals get better if you are willing to travel like Wayne.
     
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  8. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    The Gulf States and Southeast region distributors for Toyota's cars are independent of the company, and they don't want to support the Prius Prime. A few dealers have gotten a car in here and there, but buyers pretty much have to order the car for MSRP, or travel out of region.

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  9. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Thanks , Bill. I was only checking Toyota of Naperville.
    But there are a number of dealerships in the Chicago area.
     
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  10. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Once you have a Toyota Prius Prime type of plug-in vehicle, it's hard to go to anything else if you still want the convenience of a gasoline engine. Take the engine warm-up hit when it suits you, run the AC and heat pump heater almost as much as you want, and make up for it with just a little home charging. Get 150+ mpge when you run to the grocery store or your local gym or pick up some takeout. You get the idea... $21k or less after incentives and tax benefits is hard to turn down if you're able. There are a few states that will drive that cost even lower with rebates.

    If you're ready for an EV, of course, that would be the way to go. I thought I was but was not. Charging costs and time were what deterred me.
     
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  11. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I think the 25+ mile range of the Prime would be more than
    enough for me , WHEN I'm retired. Which may come pretty soon.

    A PHEV is a no-brainer. The only thing to remember is to fire up the ICE
    now and then for a 20-30 mile drive. Infernal combustion engines like to
    get exercised.
     
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  12. phlack

    phlack Well-Known Member

    Definitely depends on your commute.

    I got my Prime in the middle of June this year. I just filled it up for the first time last week...and I didn't even need to; but we were planning on taking a longish trip, so I wanted some gas. Turned out we didn't go, so now I have 1/2 tank (mix of old and new gas). But that gives me a little breathing room for stale gas; I'll burn it out slowly.

    My daily commute to work is under 3 miles, so almost 6 miles round trip. That's 3-4 days of plug in power before a charge is needed (thus the 3+ months without a fillup). I'm not charging the car all the way to the top, nor letting it get down to a single digit charge. Maybe I'm going overboard with nursing the battery, but I'm really trying to keep the car as long as I can without wearing the battery out.

    Loving the car! Though I could have probably bought an EV, since I don't go very far with it. For longer (range-anxiety) trips, we have my wife's Prius V.
     
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  13. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Nice, phlack! That's great use of the limited EV range and good battery care/discipline. I hope your utility costs are reasonably priced, or you have supplemental solar energy at your disposal. I'd bet your EV driving is getting excellent MPGe, too.
     
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  14. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    You are going a little overboard. There is a buffer of unused capacity at the top on bottom of the battery. So when the car says it's 100% charged, the battery actually isn't. The Prime has a 8.8kWh pack, and only uses about 6kWh of it.

    How are you keeping it from fully charging. People with Primes living at the top of a hill would love an easy way to do that.
     
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  15. Dorean Clarke

    Dorean Clarke Well-Known Member

    Oh, NO it's getting complicated. Sometimes I like to be alone in my mustang cruising in my own world.
     
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  16. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I live in a world that has other drivers , lots of 'em.
    But the pandemic is thinning out the herd. I mean ,
    less people working these days.
     
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  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Dorean:

    If you love your Mustang now, I suspect this "MachE" could be in your future. :)

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    Wayne
     
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  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    And just like that, 9-months and 8-days later, the 2020 Prius Prime has 65,637 miles on her clock.

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    lmpg = 80.9 mpg indicated with 65,000 miles on gasoline and 640 miles on electricity. Actual mpg = 80.1 mpg at a 6.1 percent lifetime offset or 75.2 mpg on gasoline.​

    With as many miles as are on it now, approximately every other or third tank sees the lmpg climb by .1 mpg so I expect to see the lmpg at 81.0 mpg within a month. I have now charged it a total of 17.9 times over its lifetime -15.9 on free L2s, for a total "free miles" of ~ 640 miles.

    Earnings over those 65,637 miles incl. the 3,500 to drive between Boston and San Diego with a few days in IL. Working miles = 62,137 while gross working earnings = $77,238.08 between March 4th and Dec. 12, 2020 so she is earning at a rate of $1.24 per mile all-in.

    Repair expenses now include (2) flat tire repairs at $201 plus a $130 tow that I was reimbursed $100 for. Since the last update, I have added a new set of Bridgestone Ecopia's for $560 for a total of $791.

    Fuel costs include 640-miles of free opportunity charging, the first tank was a free dealer fill, and 64,487 miles on 857.5 gallons at an avg. cost of $2.583 per gallon = $2,214.92.

    Maintenance costs to date? The first 25k miles were on Toyota so $120 for (5) 5 qt, jugs of Mobil1 0W-16 (I still have 23.5 qts. left to go), $38 for (10) Toyota Genuine Oil Filters (I still have 6 left), and three labor charges for $57 incl. tip so far. Nothing else. Not even a bulb although I have to change out the cabin and air filter here shortly. $215.00 all in.

    Insurance: $1,023/year for $0 deductible liability incl. towing.

    And what do those working miles entail? People, medical products, home repair, Landscaping, and general supplies.

    Regarding another strength, if you live in or around seriously steep foothills and mountains, the Prius Prime pays dividends like nothing else I have driven. I picked up a passenger in Carlsbad, CA just off the Pacific Coast and drove 40-miles due east up the face of Mt Palomar. Her drop-off was at a home with a beautiful overlook at 5,800' ASL including a small amount of melting snow accumulation. What I want to focus on however was not the climb and descent but the descent from 5,800' ASL with 0 percent SoC to begin that ended at 78 percent SoC at the 400' ASL elevation. That was a nice return with an overall 80.2 mpg RT when I arrived back at home. The large pack paid back dividends as no std. Hybrid could provide that amount of regen to use for tens of miles after the fact while returning to the Pacific Coast.

    And yes, you can travel from the beach to snow and back to the beach on the same day in California as shown. Well, a little snow maybe as it was still early November when I took this request and pics below. ;)

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    She is earning her keep and doing quite well on the balance sheet with $77,238.08 gross earnings and $4,243.92 in M&R, Fuel, and Insurance expenses. The KBB depreciation indicates I have lost $2,020 in depreciation given the $20,058 out the door price incl. TTL and Reg and the $18,038 KBB est. TIV in Good Condition as posted below.

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    KBB TIV with 65,400-miles in Good Condition: $18,038​

    The all encompassing expense of $6,263.92 over 65,637 miles comes to just $0.095/mile. Remember the 2018 Hyundai Elantra Eco completed its from new to 156.2k mile Trade-in TCO "Tour of Duty" at $0.162/mile so the 2020 Toyota Prius Prime is indeed performing beyond expectations to date when it comes to making a business case for its use in the gig economy, as a tried and true courier, or simply as the vehicle you would drive back and forth as a daily commuter.

    2020 Toyota Prius Prime LE

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    At the reservoir in San Luis Obispo.​

    The front driver and passenger glass is absolutely pristine as it is the same as the Lexus products. Water beads off the side glass with no treatment added although it does generate more static than the rear driver and passenger glass so dirt films stick to it.

    As I have mentioned in all the updates, the Seating ergo is still barely acceptable but the drivetrain continues to be an absolute joy. It does exactly what it is supposed to on every downhill with an ICE shutdown, every ascent just below PWR can be made up with the fee glide or regen on the way down the other side, and I run A/C and now a slight amount of heat from the heat pump albeit in San Diego, it is only absolutely necessary with people onboard or when traveling from 5-miles off the coast or further inland. Maybe 90 percent of the time it is running and the std. heat pump has paid for itself multiple times over.

    And now for a little OT fun... When you drop off a VIP, sometimes you get VIP treatment. :D

    This is a Bombardier Challenger with transcontinental, trans Atlantic, and even trans Pacific range with a single refueling stop... Some of these guys and gals know how to fly!

    2020 Toyota Prius Prime with Bombardier Challenger

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  19. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    That is a wrap of the 65k mile update. If I could have a few items, I am still waiting for the Android Auto head unit update. If it will ever arrive as the 21s have it now. I would also like the XLE with the 14" portrait screen but it will not be receiving the AA update so forget about that. I also with for longer driver and front passenger seat bottoms. And the XLE/Limited's SofTex in the LE would be nice as well. Easier to clean and maintain. And while I am at it, an all-black interior, an "in the door" pullup window shades and a full glass panoramic roof like our Sonata Hybrid. I would have paid $4k more if those feature were offered.

    Wayne
     
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  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I thought I would complete a quick TCO comparison between the 2020 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV-29 in base SE trim vs the 2020 Hyundai Prius Prime LE. I will use purchase pricing as of today but it, the Ioniq SE PHEV, was about $2k higher back in March of this year...

    The 2020 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV-29 lists at $26,500 + $955 D&H and $155 for mats or $27,650. It can be picked up today with $4k in rebates and another ~ $1,500 off retail or $22,150 + TTL ($2,500 plus a $42 SMOG check). OTD minus any Fed TC or State rebate comes to $24,692. From that, a $4,543 Fed TC and $1,000 CA State rebate brings the OTD cost to $19,149.

    The KBB TIV at 65,400 miles in Good Condition indicates an owner would receive $15,133.

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    SE Trim - KBB TIV with 65,400-miles in Good Condition: $15,133​

    The depreciation of $4,016 is significantly higher than the $2,020 the Prius Prime lost over the same number of miles. The Ioniq PHEVs overall efficiency would also be less than the 75 mpg the Prime has achieved on gasoline alone. A good estimate would be in the 62 to 65 mpg range indicating a 15 percent higher fuel cost adding another $340 in expenses bringing about a total expense of $2,334 more than the Prius Prime with the same miles.

    As a short comparison, the Ioniq PHEV in SE trim vs the Prime offers far better driver ergonomics and a much more advanced infotainment solution with Android Auto through a larger 8" vs 7" screen plus dynamic backup guidelines. The Prime offers a nicer interior, more comfortable rear seating, better long term reliability, more efficiency, and a lower TCO whether you drive just 15k or over 100k miles/year.

    Wayne
     
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