Hyundai U.S. Oct. 2019 Sales Up 8.4%, YTD Up 3.3%, And the All-new 2020 Sonata Revealed!

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    [​IMG] A pretty good day in Hyundai world for sure!

    Wayne Gerdes – CleanMPG – November 1, 2019

    2020 Hyundai Sonata

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    This morning Hyundai reported its October 2019 U.S. sales reached 57,094 vehicles, up 8.4 percent over the 52,653 sold in Oct. of 2018. From the release, this makes the 14th time in the last 15 reporting months the brand has achieved a monthly sales increase. Could the new 2019 Kona I just bought three weeks ago do all that? ;)

    2019 YTD U.S. sales of 563,450 are up 3.3 percent over the 545,445 sold through the same period a year ago.

    Regarding the Sonata, Hyundai's more than 800 dealerships across North America will be more than happy to receive it.

    2020 Hyundai Sonata Preview

    On the same day Hyundai released its excellent sales results, they introduced their all-new 2020 Sonata at the 49th Miami International Auto Show. Production of the all-new 8th gen Sonata also starts today at Hyundai Motor Manufacturing Alabama (HMMA) with retail sales slated to begin later this month.

    2020 Hyundai Sonata Exterior

    The 2020 Sonata is the first sedan designed with Hyundai’s “Sensuous Sportiness” design language. Now that is a hell of a non-descriptive term. It is also the first model to be based on Hyundai’s new multiple vehicle platform with more rigidity and lower weight.

    Its length (192.9 inches) and wheelbase (111.8 inches) have been increased - shorter overhangs - are up 1.8 and 1.4 inches respectively.

    Up front is unique to the industry std. LED DRL light design that when on wraps around the headlamps but when off appears like a chrome bezel. It looks pretty damn cool. The new gloss black grill shape looks ok.

    Out back, a new upside-down racetrack rear lamp design stands out.

    2020 Hyundai Sonata Interior

    Inside the all-new Sonata, you will find even larger displays and more modern layout.

    To begin, an under dash and door trim LED Light pipe is a highlight. A new 4-spoke wheel with open bottom and higher door arm rests with an honest to goodness handhold provide a much-improved long-distance ergonomics proposition.

    Regarding displays, a std. 4.2” and 8” driver and central infotainment color LCD are standard on the SE and SEL. The SEL can be optioned up to an all-new 12.3" LCD digital instrument cluster and 10.25" central infotainment LCD displays which is std. on the Limited.

    Hyundai moved to a shifter-less push button design. Not a big fan… yet.

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    2020 Hyundai Sonata Drivetrain

    Under the hood, a mildly atkinsonized - on the low power cam(s), 191 hp and 181 lb-ft. of torque 2.5L uses both DI and MPFI - aka Toyota's D4S. The CR was raised to 13.0 from 11.3:1 providing a nice thermodynamic efficiency boost. This new motor design is attached to an all-new 8-speed AT. I do not have the ratio spreads yet either.

    The combined EPA is expected to hit an incredible 33 mpg from the current Sonata's 29 mpg. More importnatly, the 2020 Camry's excellent LE/SE/XSE/XLEs 32 mpgUS appears to be toppled?

    The other std. drivetrain, the 180 hp and 195 lb-ft. of torque 1.6L GDI-T and its expected 31 mpg combined rating looks to be an also ran?

    Hyundai did not mention anything about the upcoming 2020 Sonata Hybrid but expect big numbers coming soon.

    On the drivability front, the 2020 Sonata will have lower NVH than either the current Camry or Accord.

    2020 Hyundai Sonata SmartSense Safety

    Standard across all trims is the next generation of safety tech including Forward Collision Avoidance (FCA), Smart full speed radar CC (SCC), Lane Follow Assist (LFA), Driver Attention Warning (DAW), and a rearview camera with dynamic guidelines and a new birdseye view.

    Optional or std on the SEL or Limited trims, Highway Drive Assist (HDA), Rear Parking Collision Avoidance Assist (PCA-R), Blind-Spot Collison Avoidance Assist (BCA), Rear Cross Traffic Collision Avoidance Assist (RCCA), Blind Spot Monitor (BVM), Blind-Spot Monitor (BVM), and Auto High Beam Assist (HBA).

    2020 Hyundai Sonata Convenience

    Convenience features include a touch lock/unlock door handles vs the button embedded ones on the current Sonata. It is about time for this update!

    The excellent Infiniti with Clarify system on the Limited trim has been replaced by a Bose Centerpoint system. We will have to "hear" about this. ;)

    And how about this thinking outside the box. If there are cars parked to close to you on both sides, hit a button on your FOB, the car will start up, pull out about 6 to 8’ ft, and you can get into your car. That is kick @$$.

    Trims include the SE, SEL, SEL Plus, and Limited with the latter two using the 1.6L GDI-T.

    Early conclusions? It looks great, has a ton of room, and the new 2.5L drivetrain’s 33 mpgUS combined and possibly 40 mpgUS highway rating appears to be a midsize segment killer! The 1.6L GDI-T? Well, at least the SEL can be equipped with the normally aspirated 2.5L.

    2020 Hyundai Sonata

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    Moving back to the October 2019 Sales Highlights, the Kona was picked up by 5,514 new owners – me being one of them, up 27.3 percent over the 4,330 sold in October of 2018. YTD sales of 60,652 are up 84.9 percent over the 32,795 sold through the same period of 2018. Remember that the Kona was first sold in late February of 2018 so that comparison is a bit cherry picked.

    In total, October 2019 U.S. retail SUV sales incl. the Kona, Tucson, Santa Fe, and the all-new full-size Palisade finished at 28,547 vehicles, the best ever October and 60 percent of the brands retail volume compared with 50 percent in October 2018.

    Bigger news was that Hyundai’s eco-friendly lineup performed well with total green vehicle sales up 64 percent, including Ioniq retail sales up 36 percent and Sonata HEV and PHEV up a combined 42 percent.

    Ioniq achieved October 2019 U.S. Sales of 2,769 vehicles, up 147 percent with YTD sales of 16,915, up 32.9 percent over the 12,727 sold through the same period of 2018. I am really happy to see this as I am sure you are all as well!!! :D :D :D

    The outgoing 7th gen Sonata was picked up by 6,062 new customers, down 16.6 percent below the 7,265 sold in October of 2018. YTD sales of 74,430 are down 15.6 percent below the 88,240 sold through the same period of 2018.

    Hyundai’s fleet sales are now down to just 16% of total sales. A much healthier percentage than we have seen recently.

    All-in, Hyundai had a healthy month and YTD sales result. A new Sonata with excellent specs including combined FE with the all-new 2.5L mated to the all-new 8-speed AT as icing on the cake creates a “I cannot wait” addition to the Flying H brand.
     
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  2. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2018 Bolt EV and 2017 Prime

    The rear tail light (minus the horizontal full-width part) reminds me of the Honda Civic.

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  3. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    It should be the A8MF1 for both engines.
    Ratios:
    1st - 4.717
    2nd - 2.906
    3rd - 1.864
    4th - 1.423
    5th - 1.224
    6th - 1
    7th - 0.79
    8th - 0.635
    Final - 3.32

    Nice double overdrive, with that 0.635 being one of the taller overdrives out there.
     
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  4. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    No wonder Ford gave up. Just like ol' MC Hammer said, "They can't touch this."
     
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  5. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Still waiting to see Hyundai's "Santa Cruz" pickup ....... next year?

    High 30's mpg with a 7,500 lb tow rating (like the 2015 concept). . That's what everybody has been waiting for --- for about the last 40 years.
     
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  6. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Chris:

    I found the ratios and only the final is slightly different.

    1st - 4.717
    2nd - 2.906
    3rd - 1.864
    4th - 1.423
    5th - 1.224
    6th - 1.0
    7th - 0.79
    8th - 0.635

    Reverse - 3.239

    Final - 3.320

    The SEs 205/65R16 and SELs 215/55R17 yields a calculated 1.604 and 1,629 RPM @ 60 mph respectively. That is an excellent low RPM highway speed cruise for sure!!! The SEL Plus and Limited with the P235/45R18s are running at a still relaxed 1,617 RPM@60 mph! Boy do I wish the SEL Plus and Limited had that normally aspirated 2.5L.

    Wayne
     
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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Carcus:
    :D :D :D

    I will ask about the Hyundai Santa Cruz pickup again at this years LA Auto Show. It was still on the docket two years ago but I have not heard a peep in quite some time. I suspect it is gone. :(

    Wayne
     
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  8. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    The Santa Cruz is 'coming soon' and is supposed to be based on the 2021 Tucson (heavily revised) platform with a stretched wheelbase. The diesel that would offer the fuel economy quoted when the show car was making the rounds is not coming to the US. It will probably launch with the 2.5L engine and 8 speed AT from the 2020 Sonata and 2021 Tucson.
    There are spy shots online showing Tucson mules with stretched wheelbases of various lengths, and a larger boxier pickup with what looks like 2014 Santa Fe headlights (under the vinyl camo) and Tucson 17" alloys. Looks like a Ridgeline in size and shape. So development is underway, but a commitment to North America is not set in stone. I'm sure they're watching the sales of similar pickups to see if it's worth paying the king's ransom to get the EPA and DOT certifications to make it legal and bankroll the marketing campaign.
     
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  9. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    The 2019 Sonata has the 6 speed AT with a 0.772 overdrive and a 2.885:1 axle, versus the 2020's 0.635:1 top gear and 3.32:1 axle. Multiply each and you get an effective ratio of 2.2272 for the 2019 and 2.1082 for the 2020. Since they kept the same tire size, the 2020's cruising rpm drops just a bit relative to the 2019. With 7th gear in the new automatic a relative match to the old 6th, clever programming will deliver better real world highway mpg where the 2020 can downshift to it's shorter overdrive while the 2019 had nowhere to go but down one step to direct drive. Smaller steps between each ratio mean downshift need not jump too far to the next gear down when heading toward a hill.
     
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  10. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    Clever programming is where Hyundai always falls short. My Ioniq and old 2012 HSH both showed this. Ioniq runs ICE way too much, even on level ground under light throttle, and only way I've found to get it on battery is pop into neutral then back into gear. Hyundai really needs to poach a few programmers from Toyota. Not engineers, the hardware is competent, but computer programmers.
     
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  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Thunderstruck:

    So true indeed!

    I am wondering about consumer acceptance of the shift buttons vs lever. That has been tried for decades and it never seems to stick.


    From this 1956 Chrysler Infomercial:
    Apparently not. ;)

    Wayne
     
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  12. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    My Mom had that on one of her cars when I was a kid, it was referred to back in the day as "typewriter drive." (Not that most kids even know what a typewriter is any more.)
     
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  13. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    My neighbors in the 60s had a push-button shifter on their Rambler station wagon. If anyone remembers what a "Rambler" or "station wagon" is.
    It's not necessarily a bad idea ; but do they hold up ? Can you force it into neutral if you need to roll or tow the car ? I doubt it.
    The plasticky toy joystick shifter in my Prius is actually a joy to use. Driving a 2016 RAV4 ,I was reminded how clunky and clumsy most shifters are.
     
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  14. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    I laughed when I read reviews of the Prius and reviewers found the joystick shifter confusing. I'm thinking "how stupid are you, do you find the gas pedal confusing too?" Shifter is clearly marked, if you can't figure out R means reverse and D means Drive maybe you should not be driving.
     
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  15. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    Shifting to neutral in a Prius is not as intuitive as I would expect - the joystick has to be held in that position for a second or two before neutral becomes selected. We have a few Prii in our fleet at work, if one were to get into a stuck accelerator condition, I wonder if a stressed driver would be able to figure it out in time.
     
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  16. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    As long as the buttons are in the same spot as the shift lever, it shouldn't cause too much trouble. There are some really dangerous shift button locations used in cars like Lincoln and GMC. Lincoln places the shift buttons inconspicuously on the dash near the radio buttons, with faded tiny fonts on the buttons, allowing the Greatest Generation to shift into reverse while thinking they're changing the radio station. And GMC mixes them in with the HVAC controls, allowing lessees to shift into reverse while poking around the dash in search of the defroster.

    I think they (Lincoln/GMC/other "fashion" brands that like to disguise critical controls) could do better by changing the shift buttons into those little dimpled micro-switches like the one you use to set the clock on the dash. The ones you need to poke at with a ball point pen. And go for the most stylish approach - spread them out a little. Perhaps put the "D" button low and to the left next to the fuel door button. Put the "P" button next to the moonroof switch. Put the "R" button in the glovebox to be sure the car starts moving backward while the driver is sprawled across the interior with his/her hand inside the dash. I would immediately buy a car like that because I know I would have the most stylish, the most plush, the most admired and wanted automobile in the northern hemisphere. People will certainly admire this fine road car, with both of its bumpers chipped and cracked, and fenders wrinkled and dimpled, all from desperate attempts to select an appropriate gear range by stabbing at random points on the dash and then stepping on the accelerator to see what happens.
     
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  17. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Yes, it's very awkward. But I NEVER feel the need to shift to neutral. I was just referring to shifting from Park to D or R.

    I guess I've never had a stuck accelerator , except in one of my manual Civics. Then , of course , I just pushed in the clutch , listened
    to the engine bouncing off the rev limiter at 7 grand , and shut off the engine. I should prepare myself mentally for that possibility in the Prius.
     
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  18. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    :)
     
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  19. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2018 Bolt EV and 2017 Prime

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  20. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I'm one of the Greatest Generation , and I admit that once (ONCE) I was motoring along at 55 MPH ,
    and decided to turn off the climate control. Instead , I put it in Park. D'oh !

    Luckily , Toyota won't let dummies like me ruin the car with one carelessly applied finger.
    Nothing happened except for the car gradually slowing , probably because I took my foot off the gas.

    I decided not to sue Toyota , and promised myself to pay closer attention. :)
     
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