2020 Hyundai Elantra Gains Efficiency Thanks to All-New CVT

Discussion in 'In the News' started by xcel, May 18, 2019.

  1. litesong

    litesong litesong

    The 2019 Kia Forte w/CVT gained an excellent 34MPG average in Consumer Reports 2020 New Cars. The problem was the 2019 Forte didn't have enough data for reliability information. However, the 2017 & 2018 Forte had much better than average transmissions. I bet Kia/Hyundai made an excellent CVT. They did not rush a CVT to market, but took years to do it......the right way.
    I don't want the CVT to beat Kia/Hyundai 100,000 mile warranty, then go out at 101,000 miles. My manual transmissions never went out by the time I got rid of the vehicles. With a recent excellent clutch change, & our Accent at 157,000+ miles, the transmission is working better than new, despite 12 years of use.
     
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  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Litesong:

    Given the length of time before release, you may be right. The Corolla moved to a CVT with its introduction as a 2014 MY product and they have been performing quite well apparently. Honda has offered up mixed performances since playing with them in the 1st gen Civic Hybrids. There are a lot of disappointed owners going way back but the 10th gen civic has been so equipped and does not appear to be incurring the same level of failures.

    The numerous story's of the Nissan CVT self destructing still haunts many and I have my fingers crossed that Hyundai/Kia have figured this out as apparently Toyota and even Honda has.

    I am trying to pickup a new 2020 ELantra VE for $15k. I am not sure that is doable but I can wait it out as there will be other deals in the future.

    Wayne
     
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  3. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    The 2021 Elantra will be all new, and when it hits the auto show circuit in early 2020, the OTD prices on the 2020 model will be heading down quick.
     
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  4. litesong

    litesong litesong

    When the 2011-16 Elantra series ended, they bundled some good options(auto tranny, heated seats, sun-roof, etc.) together & called it, the 2016 Elantra Value Edition. Of course, it was value-priced. Always wanted a sun-roof, which was always pricey. But, we both wanted the stripped manual transmission & went that way. Never a regret...... altho my wife drives the manual Elantra most.
     
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  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Chris:

    The all-new 2017 6th gen Elantra had that very strange release cadence with consumer availability in February of 2016. A 4-year product cycle for this before the next 7th gen reached out shores is indeed very aggressive in this day and age but makes sense given the sales results shown below. While the somewhat boring 6th gen lost traction to the 10th gen Civic in particular, how Corolla and the current 7th gen Sentra outsold it makes me shake my head. Civic and Corolla continue to hold their own in this SUV'esque craze world we are living in whereas Sentra is falling off. With the all-new 8th gen Sentra just weeks away, it should gain some sales going forward. The Elantra however has seen much better days going back to the 5th gen glory years. That thing scared the Japanese into moving off their collective design @$$es to release somethign exciting.

    In any case, I am hoping to see something on the all-new 7th gen Elantra on the Global website in short order if they have a 2021 readying for a mid-2020 release.

    As for the 2020 Elantra's, Hyundai is not making it as easy to acquire like they were back in late 2018. The 2018 VE for $14k was an easy purchase and included more standard equipment - Auto dimming rear view w/ Homelink is missing on the 2020 - although its drivetrain was not up to the efficiency demands I required unfortunately. The 2020 SEL has been decontented so much it is not worth considering anymore. No P/B start, leather wrapped wheel/shift knob for two.

    2019 U.S. Compact Auto Sales through November

    Civic sales of 302,737 are up 1.1 percent vs 299,376 sold through the same period of 2018.
    Corolla sales of 281,108 are up 1.0 percent vs 278,293 sold through the same period of 2018.
    Sentra sales of 173,585 are down 11.2 percent vs 195,479 sold through the same period of 2018.
    Elantra sales of 156,374 are down 15.6 percent vs 185,339 sold through the same period of 2018.

    Hyundai Elantra U.S. Sales (2011 - 2019)

    2019 - 174,000 (est.)
    2018 - 200,415
    2017 - 198,210
    2016 - 208,319
    2015 - 241,706
    2014 - 222,023
    2013 - 247,912
    2012 - 202,034
    2011 - 186,361

    Wayne
     
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  6. litesong

    litesong litesong

    After saying what I said tho, I have come across CarComplaints that post a few people who have trouble with the engine &/or CVT in the 2019 Kia Forte.
    https://www.carcomplaints.com/Kia/Forte/2019/drivetrain/power_train.shtml
     
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  7. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    The Elantra is still selling well for a passenger car in the sedan body style. Selling 200k copies last year while Tucson and Kona sales are on the rise is a pretty good showing. They've had 0% for 6 years on the Elantra for so long now that it's the go-to for people who need a new car with a payment under 200/mo.
     
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  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Chris:

    I sure hope you are right and the dyno numbers match our own drive of the 2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited with the new CVT beginning in just a few days! I expect the Limited to fall short of the SEL/SV trims by 1 to 3 mpg given the larger wheels and tires.

    ____Make Model___________Displ__#Cyl__Trans__City/Hwy/Comb___City/Hwy/Comb Unadj__City/Hwy/Comb Unrounded

    Hyundai Elantra Eco________1.4_____4___Auto_____33/41/36_________44.0/59.7/49.9__________33.0/40.6/36.0
    Hyundai Elantra (SEL - Ltd)__2.0_____4___Auto_____30/40/34_________38.9/60.2/46.3__________30.3/40.0/34.0
    Hyundai Elantra SE_________2.0_____4___Auto_____31/41/35_________39.9/61.9/47.5__________30.8/41.0/35.2

    Wayne
     
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  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The 2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited with the Ultimate pkg. arrives tomorrow and I just received the Monroney.

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    It sure is nice to see a fully loaded anything arrive with a 40-mpg highway rating. I am still skeptical, but the steady states will tell the tale if it really is that large a boost with the all-new CVT.

    On the pricing front, the $27,215 + TTL price is drastically reduced.

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    2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited - Ultimate Pkg. $21557 - $5800 Off MSRP while the $500 Holiday bonus cash disappears after today, $500 HMF financing should still be available to bring the cost down another $500.

    Because the Elantra arriving tomorrow is black, I am going to have to do a lot of wiping down the exterior before every pic however. When we had the 2020 Ford Explorer for the cross-country drive last summer, cleaning it for each picture before border, POIs, and gas station stops was a royal PIA. Not because of the color though, it was the bugs! Here in Southern CA, we do not have that problem so it should not be that bad. :)

    Wayne
     
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  10. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Hi Wayne.... Good price GET. You'll get great MPG with the CVT!
     
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  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Litesong:

    I suspect I would! :)

    Wayne
     
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  12. litesong

    litesong litesong

    The people who reported on a Dodge Caliber website, usually stated that the manual transmission gave better MPG than the CVT. However, I had one of the better MPG on the website with my older (bought in 2006) Caliber, with Nissan CVT. I suspect the 13 year newer tech Hyundai CVT should rival or better a manual. Anyhow, I'm waiting for your long term testing to begin.
     
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  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    It arrived and is ready to roll.

    2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited

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    I was busy with a small puzzle project the past 4-days so have only driven it 6-miles so far. Of those 6-miles, the CVT is really really smooth. The rest is like all Elantra's, well built, a ton of infotainment options, and long term value due in part to its ultra long 10-year/100k mile powertrain warranty.

    The new Dual auto climate is more confusing with smaller knobs but other than that, it is like every 6th gen I have driven since the short lead in January of 2016 here in San Diego.

    I will begin the calibration run tomorrow sometime as I have a lot of catching up to do...

    PS: The two local Hyundai dealerships would not match the discounts they were offering on both the SE and Limited trims on the Value Edition so after selling the 18 Elantra Eco with 156k miles on the clock after its 20-month TCO study, I am still in the market for that next super car.

    Wayne
     
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  14. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The start of the test to disseminate what if anything the Elantra CVT added to the 2020 Elantra has started. As mentioned previously, the Elantra CVT is smooth as hell. Only when transitioning from a light glide to fuel cut can you feel even the slightest hint of a deceleration lurch.

    Saying that, it "feels" slightly more efficient than the std. 6-speed AT in the 2017 - 2019s as it topped out at 64.3 mpg after some 28-miles from the initial top off and I suspect it would have reached into the high 60s if I was not continuously exiting the Interstate and driving down city streets and into mall parking lots. It is not however ever going to touch the 32/40/35 mpg city/highway/combined 2017 - 2019 Elantra Eco. It just does not have the efficiency punch of the 1.4L on the highway despite the same 40 mpg EPA rating.

    2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited w/ Ultimate Pkg.

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    Standard 20 to 30-minute initial topoff with displays reset.​

    A 1-mile city frontage road drive to the 5, 25-miles down the 5, another 3-miles of city streets to the wrong restaurant - maxxed out at 64.3 mpg at the exit - another 3-miles back to the 5, 13-miles down the 5, 1-mile of suburban thoroughfares to the correct restaurant. After an hour long lunch, 1-mile back to the 5 and 15-miles back to the Shell in Carlsbad, CA.

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    Carlsbad, CA Shell for the final top off.

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    62.7 actual miles on 1.028 Gal: 61.0 mpg vs 62.0 mpg indicated yields an aFCD offset of 0.984​

    Tonight I will take the 2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited out for the steady states despite temps in the high 40s.

    Wayne
     
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  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The 2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited steady states are complete with some interesting results when it comes to CVT action. It easily bested its EPA at 70 mph with a 42.4 mpg result after the .984 aFCD offset was taken into account. I am heading off to sleep and will post the curve tomorrow sometime.

    2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited

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    Just moments before starting the steady state runs late last night.​

    As mentioned previously somewhere, keeping black clean is an almost impossible task. ;)

    Wayne
     
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  16. litesong

    litesong litesong

    That's what ya get fer gettin' the color black. Black isn't a color. Other "colors" that ain't, are silver, gray, grey, white, beige..... brown is a color but also should be banned. o_Oo_O
    Silver, gray & grey can be helped by lots of metal-flake.....but metal-flake helps ALL paint jobs.
    P.S. Kinda like your wheels.... maybe Hyundai's best wheels. But I'm not a Hyundai wheel fan. Have 2 Hyundai/Kia style incomplete sets of alloys & one complete set. Change them back & forth to get the Elantra to look different.... like changing your style of shoes.
     
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  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Litesong:

    This is a Press Car and we do not have much choice when it comes to trim and color. We are more than happy to receive an OEMs generosity with whatever we can get however. ;)

    Wayne
     
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  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Because of yesterday’s calibration run with the mall stops, I wanted to compare the 17 Elantra Limited w/ the 6-speed AT from several years back to the 2020 Elantra Limited with the CVT so I drove out to LA and completed a very similar return trip with approximately 90 percent of the same roadway - 405/5 - covered in similar temps but I exited the 5 into a grocery store parking lot near my home instead of driving another 16-miles to the Via De La Valle exit in Del Mar, CA where I filled up just over 3.5 years ago. I already have the 2020 Elantra Limited's calibration drive complete indicating a 0.984 aFCD negative offset so it was not necessary to complete the entire length all over again.

    Here is a comparison between the 6-speed AT equipped 2017 Hyundai Elantra Limited and CVT equipped 2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited.

    2017 Hyundai Elantra Ltd. w/ 6-spd. AT vs 2020 Hyundai Elantra Ltd. w/ CVT EPA Estimates

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    2017 Elantra Limited from Los Angeles to Del Mar, CA on the 5.

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    2020 Elantra Limited from Los Angeles to Carlsbad, CA on the 5.​

    In the first drive from June of 2016 posted on page one of the 2017 Hyundai Elantra Limited and SE Review, the 2017 6-speed AT equipped Elantra Limited provided 64.0 actual mpg over 104.2 actual miles with an avg. speed of 39 mph. Traffic was a bit heavier as documented within that writeup.

    In my drive this morning on the same route but shorter distance, the 2020 CVT equipped Elantra Limited provided 65.8 actual mpg over 87.9 actual miles with an avg. speed of 52.2 mph albeit with lighter traffic.

    I would say the new 2020 Elantra Limited with the CVT is indeed about 2 to 3 mpg more efficient than the older Elantra Limited with the 6-speed AT if this comparison is any indication.

    I will post the Speed vs FE curve in a few for yet another comparison.

    Wayne
     
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  19. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Here is the 2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited w/ the all-new CVT Speed vs FE curve.

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    Temps ranged from 47 to 51 degrees F and winds were calm through last nights and this mornings minimal traffic data collection. The EPA highway (40 mpgUS) crossover occurred at a very healthy 72.9 mph meaning that is a solid highway result and many will be more than happy to receive 40+ mpg on some of their own mid to high speed mostly highway jaunts.

    Wayne
     
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  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Final thoughts regarding the 2020 Hyundai Elantra's all-new CVT...

    2020 Hyundai Elantra Limited

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    A sunset stop on the Pacific last night.​

    The 3-mpg gain in EPA highway efficiency appears to be dead on given our calibration, direct comparison, and Speed vs FE graph. I was skeptical at first but am now totally on board as it is a welcome addition.

    The CVT is indeed very smooth. Only when you jump on it does the fake shift begin to simulate gears. While the speed junkie journalists will complain, as long as Revs are not thrown into the 3k + range for an extended period, CVTs are actually less intrusive on the driving experience than a std. CVT. And yes, they - CVTs - have improved. A normal acceleration just moves up the band and you accelerate without any delay. Only in the milliseconds of transition between fuel cut and idle is there even a hint of a lurch and you have to be paying very close attention to it.

    Adding, I am not sure Hyundai engineers had the time to integrate the CVT into the drivetrain for maximum benefit. The CVT works great as mentioned directly above. The 147 hp and 132 lb-ft of torque 2.0L I4 is plenty for most compact owners and provides little complaints from owners since its introduction in early 2016. However, while completing the steady states (SSs) on CC, the RPMs were all over the map. Not that the driver and passengers could feel any accel/decel or experience any additional dBs into the cabin but I know the top ratio and final allows just over 1,500 RPM at 60 mph. I see this more often while off CC and driving in my std. gentle way but during the SSs, the lowest RPMs I was seeing was 1,650 even under fuel cut and upwards of 2,250 RPM to hold that speed steady. In other words, the entire CVTs ratio range is not being used as I suspect it could be if the engineers had more time to integrate the older 2.0L with the newer CVT. Expect to see a more symbiotic relationship with the all-new 7th gen 2021 Elantra next year.

    With Honda and Nissan having severe problems with their CVTs going back over a decade, I can only hope that Hyundai has broken the CVTs poor reliability prospects. The Corolla has been so equipped since the 2014 MY and I rarely hear anything about their CVT having issues. While long term reliability remains to be seen, Hyundai's 10-year/100k warranty sure makes it a lot easier to own than others 5-yr/60k powertrain warranties.

    Wayne
     
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