Eleven years of Arctic Sea Ice Thickening

Discussion in 'Environmental' started by Carcus, Jan 4, 2019.

  1. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    The next guy on that list is a meteorologist. Is he ok with you?


    "Lennart Bengtsson (born 5 July 1935) is a Swedish meteorologist. His research interests include climate sensitivity, extreme events, climate variability and climate predictability. [1]
    He was head of research at the European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts from 1975 to 1981 and then director until 1990; then director of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg. He became a recipient of the Milutin Milankovic Medal in 1996.[2] He is now a senior research fellow at the Environmental Systems Science Centre in the University of Reading.

    In 2005 he was awarded the René Descartes Prize for Collaborative Research[3] together with Prof. Ola M. Johannessen and Dr. Leonid Bobylev from the Nansen Environmental and Remote Sensing Centre in Norway and Russia for the Climate and Environmental Change in the Arctic project. In 2006 he was awarded the 51st International Meteorological Organization Prize of the World Meteorological Organization for pioneering research in numerical weather prediction.[4] In 2009 he was made an honorary fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society in recognition of his contribution to meteorology."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Bengtsson
     
  2. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    Yes, his background seems much more relevant. I still want to know why you thought a botanist's opinions were relevant?
     
  3. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Well, .let's see. How about this?

    "
    What can plants reveal about global climate change?
    Date:
    July 26, 2013
    Source:
    American Journal of Botany
    Summary:
    While the media continues to present climate change as a controversial issue, many scientists are working hard to gather data, collaborate across disciplines, and use experimental and modeling techniques to track how organisms and ecosystems are responding to the current changes in our Earth's global environment. What role do plants play in helping to regulate climate change and how will they fare in future times?
    Share:
    American Journal of Botany.
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130726112209.htm
     
  4. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    That doesn't really help at all. The first botanist was listed under "They may not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling."

    What can plants tell us about the inadequacies of current global climate modelling?
     
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  5. litesong

    litesong litesong

    [/QUOTE]
    Craig, Keith, & Sherwood Idso, paid by Peabody Coal & Western Fuels Ass.(abbreviation tells more than the full spelling). Other than paid AGW deniers, they're mixed in some other shenanigans, too.
    Willy Soon paid $1 million, beginning with grant funding by various oil concerns.
    Robert Balling co-published The Satanic Gases: Clearing the Air about Global Warming with fellow climate change skeptic Patrick J. Michaels. The book was published by the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank that has collectively received over $13 Million from Koch foundations and and $125,200 from ExxonMobil.
    Indur Goklany has received $1,000 per month from the Heartland Institute, an organization at the forefront of climate change denial.....
    Fred Singer founded the Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP) in 1990. While engaged in activities denying the existence of man-made global warming, SEPP has received funding from......Shell, Uniroyal and ARCO as well as $20,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
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    This is old stuff & your lists of fake "sigh-ants" researchers is fodder for pressy-dent "don'T rump", who destroys proper science with each exhaled breath he takes.
     
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  6. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    We each don't get to decide for ourselves - well, you CAN - but our OPINION of the data is meaningless.

    Watch the video, please. The vast majority of scientists agree that we humans are changing the climate. We are as sure of this, as we are that smoking causes cancer. Does your opinion of that change the science?
     
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  7. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Many of the paid AGW denier "sigh-ants" believers, began their "doubting ways" by being paid by cigarette companies to pitch "no cigarette/cancer" connections.
     
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  8. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Here's update for dead-end thinking Carcus:
    https://skepticalscience.com/arctic-sea-ice-2019.html
     
    Last edited: Nov 2, 2019
  9. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Smoking causes cancer ?
     
  10. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Smoking & drinking destroyed much of my family. Dad & mom died early due to smoking & drinking. My sister & brother, broke away from drinking...... but neither could stop smoking & died early. My smoking & drinking uncle died early. Smoking & drinking cousins died early.
     
  11. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    My dad died of heart failure due to emphysema. He smoked for 40+ years.

    Edwin does not smoke.
     
  12. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    My parents:

    did not smoke
    did not drink
    did not cuss
    Both were of normal weight and went to church 1 or 2 times per week
    Both died early due to natural causes.

    Carcus does not smoke
    Carcus occasionally drinks too much
    Carcus works out like a mofo (8 to 12 hours per week) and cusses like a gawdam sailor (but not as much as his girlfriend),
    Carcus never goes to church

    Awaiting results .....

    ymmv
     
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2019
  13. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Oh yeah , yer going straight to hell , lol. I really enjoy working out , too. Don't drink anymore.
    As a card-carrying agnostic , most religions turn me off. But I sometimes will go to a non-denominational church
    if I need to hear a positive message. Or pick up women.
     
  14. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Since Arctic sea ice no longer exists at lower latitudes (during all months), the remaining Arctic sea ice existence occurs at farther north latitudes. Of course, over the remaining Arctic sea ice, the sun's elevation above the horizon, averages lower in the sky. It takes an AGW denier to concentrate on thickness, & a return of an ice age.
     
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