GM to Lay Off 14,700, Close 5 US and Canadian Plants

Discussion in 'In the News' started by xcel, Nov 26, 2018.

  1. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    I just can't believe Ford and GM are completely giving up on cars. I don't doubt they want to dominate an autonomous taxi future -- but they HAVE to hedge that bet. My guess would be that they might put cars on hold for a year or two, .. until they get production shifted to China and Mexico .... then they'll be ready to sell their latest "not yet quite ready for autonomy" Chinese/Mexican-built cars to the North America residing citizens of the world.

    This has been their m.o. in the past -- there is always some sort of self manufactured ""crisis"" that requires shuttering of U.S. plants, meanwhile, the 'out of country $1.50/hr we don't need no stinking EPA unions are illegal' plants just keep popping up/ expanding.

    Not to go all political -- but this is why Trump got elected. The battle is raging --- Nationalism vs Globalism.
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  2. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    The other side of this globalist coin:

    Somebody is paying for these caravans, for the facilities being built, for the tens of thousands to follow..

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  3. priusCpilot

    priusCpilot George

    Is it Soros ? Is it the Democrats? Is it the Republicans so they can get the wall built? Is it other foreign enemies?
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  4. I bought and tried the volt.......
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  5. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    You've supported the home team. Doesn't look like they are that interested in supporting you.
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  6. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Here's a quote:

    "A minority of individuals may elect to have personalized modules sitting at home so they can leave their vacation stuff and the kids' soccer gear in them. They'll still want that convenience.
    The vehicles, however, will no longer be driven by humans because in 15 to 20 years — at the latest — human-driven vehicles will be legislated off the highways.
    The tipping point will come when 20 to 30 percent of vehicles are fully autonomous. Countries will look at the accident statistics and figure out that human drivers are causing 99.9 percent of the accidents.
    Of course, there will be a transition period. Everyone will have five years to get their car off the road or sell it for scrap or trade it on a module."
    Wanna guess by who? .... That who be Bob Lutz -- fully on board with crazy bad ideas. Bob freaking Lutz --- who may, or may not still be serving in an advisory position to GM.

    /there's a few more little goodies in the referenced article. I recommend reading all of it.
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  7. They made that very clear 2.5 years ago. No more volt in my driveway
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  8. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    Since autonomous vehicles are the next big thing, Mary Barra can stand in the middle of the street and we can see how well (or should that be ho well) the AI avoids pedestrians.
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  9. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

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  10. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    By the way, in case everybody has forgotten.

    China is a communist country.

    /not saying we shouldn't trade with them, ... but when the "crown-jewel" of US industrial manufacturing starts shutting down US factories and shifting production to communist China ---- "America, we have a problem".
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  11. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Good one ! And I actually LIKE Mary. But I only have a giant thumbs-down for autonomous vehicles.
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  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:
    Sure it is...

    2020 Chevrolet Silverado HD


    Here is the front end of the all-new 2020 Chevrolet Silverado HD. It looks like their truck division sales slide will not be over anytime soon if they continue to release goofy looking monstrosities like this? :(

  13. Wth. One of the lay offs better be the person that okayed that thing
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  14. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I think truck buyers WANT goofy. Except for James , maybe. Of course, what do I know , I have a Prius.
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  15. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    I agree, although I think the current Prius is goofy-looking too.
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  16. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Possibly more so than Gen 3.
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  17. Don't get me started on the Prius. It almost got me banned here when I first signed up.

    PS. That was funny - how I became a member here
  18. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    It is, and I own one. It looks like it fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down. OTOH, I cn pull numbers around town most people can't quite comprehend. When I say I can get triple digit mileage in city driving, they get a blank look on their face.
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  19. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Safety, .. autonomy ---

    Will the cars or the car owners be "priced out of the market"?

    If you're at all familiar with how body shop repairs go, ... I think you'll view this as a shocker --especially when you consider that probably almost all new cars will have a fair amount of these features (liabilities) in just a few years.

    ATW #2229 – How Do We Repair These High Tech Cars?
    watch 12:15-19:15/ 28:08 (other than these 7 minutes it's pretty slow, .. deals with materials and labor costs to repair)

    I'm not seeing easy ways around these problems. Unless you just eliminate the humans, ... or at the least, require a certain amount of equipment (i.e. transponders/ transponder connected auto braking) be in all these expensive machines (and any other machine in its vicinity) in order to limit the gawdawful repair and insurance costs to operate (i.e. geo-fenced areas of operation).
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  20. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Most low/ lower-middle income people will not be able to afford car ownership if a typical fender bender is an $8,000+ event [or if a 'left front corner hit' is $34,000, .. even if it's not to your car, it still could be on your insurance if you're at fault]. -- leasing, renting, .. or public transportation will be their only options.

    /and that's before we even start talking about the expensive batteries in BEVs, PHEVs.
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