2019 Prius Gaining Traction Just Weeks From Today

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  1. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I like it.
     
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  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    And the 2020 Toyota Prius AWD-e's Speed vs FE graph.

    Temps ranged from 52 to 55 degrees and winds were calm during the data collection. Indicated speed from the speedometer was 1 mph low of actual from 50 to 70 mph. Data was collected at 51, 56, 61, 66, and 71 mph indicated and 50, 55, 60, 65, and 70 mph actual.

    SoC changes were non-existent other than 1 bar loss at 70 mph on the NB run. It recovered within 100 yards of passing the flying data record point so there was a minimal effect.

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    On a straight-line analysis, the EPA highway (48 mpg) crossover occurred at just 66.7 mph. While the 66.7 mph EPA highway crossover indicates the EPA highway estimate is fine but this result is the lowest crossover speed we have seen from any Toyota or Lexus to date. It was close and I suspect those optional 10-spoke chromed alloys our Prius AWD-e was equipped with were a factor in this somewhat low result.

    Wayne
     
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  3. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    Yes (especially the 4th generation), and if it didn't have a reputation for head gasket failures, excessive oil consumption (for early 3rd generation), etc.
     
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  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The 93.1 cu. ft. of passenger volume feels tight but not much different than any other compact. While knee room was tight, the back of the rear seats have a cutout that goes deeper in to the seat frame allowing my knees to fit albeit tightly.

    2020 Toyota Prius AWD-e front to rear seat room

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    Wayne
     
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  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    And now for something completely different.

    It was just a year ago when I picked up a TFY Adjustable Velcro Headrest Tablet Mount. After 50k miles, I the uploaded Quick Review of the TFY Adjustable Velcro Headrest Tablet Mount. In fact, it is still in the Sonata Hybrid and when our Grandson in onboard, Netflix cartoons are usually on. It works exceptional and at less than $20, it is a hell of a value.

    When I was looking over the Toyota model lineup before making requests for 2020 Reviews, I saw a Toyota accessory I thought worthy of our attention. It has the exact same function as the TFY we reviewed a few months back but is offered by Toyota as an OEM accessory. So how does it stand up?

    2020 Toyota Universal Tablet Mount Accessory

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    The tablet mount retails at $99 and can be found online for ~ $75 online. It is a hard-plastic tablet holder that mounts to the headrest posts and has an adjustable angle – up and down ~ 45 degrees and side to side up to ~ 10 degrees.

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    Looking straight on into the holder itself, it includes strong springs that allow the top to expand upward to hold any number of tablets up to about 13” despite a 10” limit warning within the directions.

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    The mounts arms in which the headrest post is run through have levers on them. They lock the mount to the top of the seat loosely without the headrest being installed.

    There is a lock toggle on top of the mount that did not appear to lock anything?

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    The Fire HD 10 Tablet w/out its cover in the Universal Mount fits securely.

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    The Fire HD 10 Tablet with its cover in the Universal Mount is not such a good fit.​

    Item of note: As shown, if you have a tablet without a cover, it fits into the rubber covered holders on top and bottom cleanly and snugly. If you have a cover on your tablet like most would however, the holder just does not quite fit. I drove around for over 500-miles and it did not fall out but is mounted far less securely.

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    If you want to remove the tablet w/out removing the headrest mount, it does separate and the solid metal bar folds up into the tablet holders back face for storage somewhere in the car.

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    The Toyota Universal Tablet Mount holds the tablet about 2” off the back of the headrests posts. This is both lower and further off the rest than the TFY.

    Yesterday, I had my wife take the wheel while I sat in back and without the tablets cover attached, it was secure as mentioned. The ~ 45 degrees of angle adjustment up and down and 10 degrees side to side works pretty slick. Once angled, it did not move from side to side and up or down. The TFY does not have a side to side adjustment and only angles up and down by ~ 30 degrees.

    There was more movement or “vibration” of the screen in the Toyota Universal Tablet Mount vs the TFY as the moment arm of about 2” off the headrest allowed more shaking.

    I was actually looking at a slight down angle at the tablet instead of upward at the screen of the TFY. The lower mount and looking down induces a little more motion sickness if you are prone to it.

    The Irishman on Netflix

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    Watching in the back of the 2020 Prius AWD-e on my Fire HD 10 w/ Netflix via Wi-Fi supplied by a Samsung Galaxy Note 8 on the T-Mobile network.​

    Toyota Universal Tablet Mount Conclusions

    The Toyota Universal Tablet Mount accolades include the following:
    1. The Toyota Universal Tablet Mount in total installs and can be pulled from the headrests in seconds
    2. It looks very OEM like
    3. The slight side to side angle adjustment is a nice surprise
    The shortfalls of the Toyota Universal Tablet Mount are three-fold.
    1. The Toyota Universal Tablet Mount is a bit pricey vs the velcro attached headrest mounted TFY adjustable
    2. The mount allows more screen vibration than the TFY
    3. With its lower mounting position, it was not as comfortable a viewing angle
    As an all-encompassing tablet mount for rear seat passengers, it works well in practice – w/out a tablet cover, and will prove to be a nice addition to your Toyota. Especially for longer trips with passengers in the back. It looks very OEM like as an unpolished black mount behind the headrest. With the slight side angle adjustment, the holder provides the rear seat passenger on the passenger side almost a full view and the passenger behind the driver to see some of the display. Good stuff here. It is a bit pricey however.

    All-in, there is nothing like watching a full-length movie, comedic sitcom, or binge watching a series from the backseat while on a long road trip. The Toyota Universal Tablet Mount and your tablet connected to the net provides that and a whole lot more.

    I wonder if it fits the Hyundai? I will let you know later tonight.

    Wayne
     
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  6. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    The post hole bevels are a rounded rectangle on my 2016 Camry. Could the levers be moving flanges under those when closed, like a sash window lock?
     
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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Trollbait:

    I was looking at the post holes when I moved the levers and did not see any change in the shape or diameter. I did not construct it from the package so maybe with the 4 screws removed and different barrels installed, it could work for other headrest post shapes? If you look at each lever position - open or closed, the holes are the same in each.

    Wayne
     
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  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Trollbait:

    I figured out what the levers are for. The mount near the levers actually fits under the headrest adjustment plastic and when you spin the levers, it semi-secures the entire mount to the those plastic tabs without the headrest being installed. Drove me nuts today. It does not secure it solidly but it holds it in place even without the headrest inserted. To remove, pull the head rest, open the levers and you can pull the mount from the top of the seat.

    Give me a few minutes and I will post a new pic for a better description of how it works.

    I will update the review since I now know what those levers are for.

    Wayne
     
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  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Trollbait:

    I added it to the review.

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    The mounts arms in which the headrest post is run through have levers on them. They lock the mount to the top of the seat loosely without the headrest being installed.

    Wayne
     
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  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I am going to do something new here that should prove to be eye opening. Given the extremely low dealership inventory here in San Diego county, I suspect the Prius will be relegated to larger share of light commercial duty purchases more than anything else going forward. It is hard to beat a Prius' reliability and fuel efficiency for any kind of light commercial use so the following hopefully makes sense.

    2020 Toyota Prius AWD-e

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    This is a static PR pic. Yeah, I know, the roof racks have got to go. ;)

    With the completion of the 156k miles/20-month Rideshare TCO study in the 2018 Elantra Eco from 2018 through half of 2019, I have a good feel for what a light duty commercial vehicle being driven to 75k+ miles/year goes through. In the case of the 2020 Toyota Prius AWD-e, here is what an owner/commuter, rideshare driver, and long-distance courier's Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) should look like while running 37.5k miles per year over 4-years. The Owner/Commuter's TIV is a bit lower as his or her car should be rated Good Condition at trade-in time vs Fair Condition for the Commercial Use owner(s) and his or her drive cycles.

    2020 Toyota Prius AWDe TCO Assumptions
    • The Purchase price was deduced from what I should be able to pick up the 2020 Toyota Prius AWD-e in XLE trim and mats for here in Southern CA
    • TTL and Registration were based on Southern CA rates and yearly fees
    • Interest paid was based on $2,500 down, a 4 percent rate, and paid over a 48-month period
    • TIV was based on a loaded 2016 Prius 4 Touring Hatch with 156,252 miles after 4-years. Good Condition for the commuter, Fair Condition for the Commercial user
    • I based efficiency on the std. owner receiving 55 mpg, the Rideshare driver at 60 mpg, and the Long Distance mostly highway driver at 47 mpg
    • Fuel cost was calculated at $3.50 per gallon average cost over the next 4-years here in Southern CA. That could go either way actually
    • Full coverage w/ $1k deductible insurance for a 50 year old with a perfect driving record and multiple vehicle/home policies should cost ~ $900/year here in Southern CA
    • Oil changes after the first 24k free ones is $40 per change from 30k through 150k miles
    • I spec'ed the OEM low RRc Dunlops and the three OEMs for the AWD-e are all $98 to $102 per tire incl. installation
    • Brakes on a Prius? No, that would not be necessary :D
    • Misc. is misc. as stated
    Let me know your thoughts on the individual expenses and even efficiency as it is my thoughts and sometimes my thoughts do not match up with reality. ;)

    2020 Toyota Prius AWD-e TCO (52/48 mpg city/highway)

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    Thanks to the 2020 Toyota Prius AWDe's excellent efficiency and in some respects to the high residual, the average owner driving 37.5k miles/year is going to pay ~ $0.273/mile, the rideshare driver, ~ $0.276/mile, and the PT Courier, ~ $0.293/mile.

    Wayne
     
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  11. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    When the Toyota dealer looked at my car at 100K , they said 5 mm thickness on the brake pads.
    I'm assuming those were the front pads , not sure now. I can look at the paperwork when I get home.
    Toyota owner's manual say the wear limit is 1.0 mm.
     
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  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Edwin:

    When you do hear of a Prius driver needing brake work, you know they drive far to aggressively. ;)

    In just a few minutes I will be driving back to LA to drop the 2020 Toyota Prius AWD-e off. It was a learning experience after over 1k miles behind the wheel. This includes 200 miles for the pickup and dropoff between LA and home, 550 miles for the aFCD calibration, 150-miles for the steady states, and 200-miles just doing "stuff". I will post conclusions later today.

    Wayne
     
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  13. SI_Prius

    SI_Prius Well-Known Member

    I disagree, any hill driving will ruin Prius brakes pretty fast, even if using B mode there is very little engine braking. I had to change brakes at 100k km, and then again rear brakes at 180k km. Will se how Gen IV copes with that but I don't think it will be much different. On a manual diesel car I get away with 160k km on one brakes.
     
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  14. SI_Prius

    SI_Prius Well-Known Member

    2019 figure are out:
    https://global.toyota/en/company/profile/production-sales-figures/

    On the right side there are PDFs, the most interesting one is "Sales of HV and FCV"

    In 2019 Toyota NA hybrid sales went up 31.3%, making end to 5 year decline, still not the highest numbers but we will see in 2020.
     
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  15. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Sounds like mountainous driving versus what we consider hilly driving. You need a plug-in hybrid to absorb the extra and more capable regenerative braking. :)
     
  16. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    Yeah, that is what I was thinking it did, latching onto the plastic for the post holes so adjusting the headrest didn't mess with the holder. The lock tab might be for locking the levers in place.
    Posted those in another forum. For past Prius and Prius family, I use Carsalesbase.com.

    Without higher fuel prices, the case for getting a hybrid is tough in the US. The Rav4 bucks the trend by having a much lower 'hybrid premium', which doesn't reflect the actual cost. It is higher in other markets, and some of those markets get the FWD too.
     
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  17. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    I disagree with that, except maybe at very low speeds. I've seen B mode spin the engine up to about 4000 RPM descending large hills. That's significant power being thrown away via engine instead of brakes.

    My pads show very little wear, despite my living in a hilly area. Would be even better, if not for the rust that forms on disks between trips, with all the rain we have lately.

    Sticking rear slide pins and consequent damage is apparently a common problem on Prius brakes, although not for mine so far. I'm not sure how that's the driver's fault.
     
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  18. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    I really hate that engine spin so when it happens, I switch out of B mode and let the brakes and regen do their best. It's usually good enough in the Prime. I don't encounter mountain downhills often so not a problem.

    I get that brake rust occasionally so I switch into neutral on a down slope and use the mechanical brakes gently to clean it off. I live on a hilltop, so opportunity to do the scrub is abundant.
     
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  19. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Wait , it gets better. The service advisor told me "When the thickness gets to 4 mm , we advise owner to have the brakes renewed. "
     
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  20. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Does my car even have "B" mode ? I've never felt the need for braking ( in addition to regen )
    even though I DO live in the "The Alps of The Midwest". What EYE might call hilly our Euro friend SI Prius might call flat.
     
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