2019 Prius Gaining Traction Just Weeks From Today

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Regarding the c, I always felt it was more efficient than the 3rd gen liftback up to 60 to 65 mph or so. The LAX to San DIego drive was in the high 90s or low triple digits IIRC. Against the all-new at the time 4th gen, that is where the new king showed how good it truly is with over 110 mpg on that same drive. I do not think I posted that result as it was an NDA drive for Toyota in preps for something else.

    Wayne
     
  2. priusCpilot

    priusCpilot George

    Hey Wayne what do you think about the new updates with the HSD System 2? I wounder if they will do a scale down to 1.5L on that system and do a gen 2 Aqua in Japan? Also, I wounder if the Sky-X 56% Thermal Efficiency will come to Toyota since they are trading engine tech for hybrid tech?
     
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  3. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    The Aqua and Prius c will likely be replaced with a Yaris hybrid. Toyota is already consolidating different hatchback, wagon, and sedan models into the Corolla. Most of the hybrid system improvements are from the ICE side, and getting better thermal efficiency could be more difficult in smaller engines.

    I don't foresee an HCCI engine in a full hybrid any time soon for the same reason diesel hybrids are rare; cost. Perhaps once the technology has become more widespread, and its costs have come down. Mazda could add their start/stop and regenerative braking to a SkyActiv-X car, and make it a mild hybrid.
     
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  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The 2019 Toyota USA #Prius' AWD-e reason for being... This is a 6 percent snow covered grade. The kind that the FWD would have a lot of trouble with if not just give up, back down, and gun it with some momentum. The Prius AWD-e did not give even a thought to this.



    https://video-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v...=e934c0904f3fff1e6b842ced059bfb58&oe=5C934D94

    I am sorry the FB vid I posted will not embed but the link is included... :(

    Wayne
     
  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    4.3 million #Prius liftbacks have been sold globally since its Japan intro - as a sedan - almost 22 years ago. With the all-new AWD system, the newly refreshed 2019 Prius is more versatile than ever before. As posted in the preview, Toyota USA expects AWD-e variants to comprise up to 25 percent of Prius liftback sales...

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    Wayne
     
  6. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Toyota USA #Prius L, LE, Eco, and Limited trim naming takes over for 2, 3, and 4 monikers from the previous model runs. AWD-e in LE and XLE only. No Limited trim with AWD.

    Best AWD efficiency of 50 mpg, just 2 mpg behind the FWD models. The AWD-e adds a $1,430 upcharge over the LE and XLE FWD trims.

    The Toyota USA #Prius trim efficiencies... Nobody and I mean nobody even comes close.

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    Wayne
     
  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    2019 Toyota USA #Prius vs Competitors pricing Landscape. The AWD-e LE starts at $26,380 and XLE starts at $28,820.

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    Wayne
     
  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    And cargo cap... AWD-e does not impact it either!

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    Wayne
     
  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    No AWD-e's come with the 11.6" tablet like central display. Only the Limited FWD.

    Two 2.1 amp USB ports out back and finally some sun visor extenders std.

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    Wayne
     
  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Next is the AWD-e! Toyota USA #Prius AWD-e can out climb the previous gen RAV4 in snow! The hybrid AWD-e system has been made more compact and 25 percent lighter than the system in the RAV4 and Highlander Hybrid AWD.

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    Wayne
     
  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Just 7.1 hp and 46 lb-ft of torque from that rear wheel induction motor with no drag when disengaged.

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    Wayne
     
  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

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    The Toyota USA #Prius AWD-e Q&A:

    It uses the same tires as the FWD.

    12,500 per year AWD-e's are expected to sell in the U.S.

    AWD-e will max out at 43 mph.

    5.3" clearance on the AWD vs 5.1" ground clearance on the FWD system.

    Other automakers leaving the sedan market place should help Prius sales.

    Battery tech - AWD-e is NiMH due to better cold weather performance and longevity.

    Cabin space has not been reduced.

    NiMH has been optimized for fuel economy but has a different kWh capacity. Toyota would not say what that is.

    Gearing of the U.S. system is different than Japan's AWD system.

    128 hp total system output is the same because the rear wheel motor is open above 43 mph.

    No active torque vectoring but VSC/TC does slow a given wheel to reduce slippage if necessary.

    Launch is slightly quicker but slightly lower acceleration to 60. AWD-e vs FWD.

    145 to 170 lbs additional mass on the AWD-e LE and XLE vs the same FWD trims respectively.

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    Wayne
     
  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The #Prius AWD-e rear motor does work in reverse so you have AWD when backing up. It also contributes to regen when braking.

    It does not have a clutch. The field is removed and the non-permanent magnet "induction" motor free wheels to improve efficiency.

    IHTHs?

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    Wayne
     
  14. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    If your life revolves around hitting the slopes efficiently and snow accumulation on roads is 3 to 4 inches, Toyota USA has an answer for that...

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    Wayne
     
  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Our final drive of the 2019 Toyota USA #Prius AWD-e as I prep for the long flight back to California later this week...

    What AWD anything, Plug or no plug, offers anyone this level of efficiency? Nice job Toyota and thank you for having me out to the beautiful Kohler, WI to drive your latest new super car.

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    Wayne
     
  16. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    Times what gear ratio (to give torque at wheels)? Motor torque alone is useless info. If they're implying the 7.1 hp is available at 6 mph, that would mean about 444 pounds (~2000 N) drive force, ignoring gearing losses, etc.

    Thanks!
     
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  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi RedylC94:

    I suspect torque peaks at just above 0 RPM and falls off quickly. It really does not matter as it climbs 6 percent snow covered off-road grades that the FWD could not. :)

    Wayne




     
  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi George:

    With the advent of the all-new Corolla, the Prius c's days here in the states are numbered. :(

    Wayne
     
  19. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    They're effectively saying it falls off above 6 mph. I'll guess maximum power to the rear wheel motors is constant above that speed. Motor torque is a useless spec if we don't know the ratio to translate that to torque at the wheels.

    The 6 percent on snow is an advertising dramatization that reveals very little, since we don't know how fast, or how close it would be to climbing the same grade on the same snow with the same tires without rear-wheel torque.
     
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  20. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2018 Bolt EV and 2017 Prime

    One technique I had to use (only once) to get back to my hilltop home is to drive up the several inches of slippery snow in reverse. I could make no headway going forward.
     
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