2019 Prius Gaining Traction Just Weeks From Today

Discussion in 'In the News' started by xcel, Nov 9, 2018.

  1. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Some people will buy it. Most will go the default route ; any Subaru or an SUV. A Prius with decent tires , ABS , and traction control
    is almost unstoppable. Meaning.............it's hard to spin the front wheels. Of course , if there's more than five inches of snow on the
    road........ you're not living in a civilized area , lol.
     
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  2. Blackbelt

    Blackbelt Well-Known Member

    I find this a VERY tempting proposition, depending of course on the cost. I LOVE my Prius "C", and with 4 winter tires on it, i have gotten around in the snow pretty well. But AWD really helps on the hills around here in W.PA. My "C" has just under 50K miles on it, so it still has decent resale value. At the least i will probably drive one of the new AWD-e models and price it up. It will take a pretty strong deal to pry the keys to my "C" out of my hands though.
     
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  3. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2018 Bolt EV and 2017 Prime

    I wouldn't bother with an AWD Prius just for the slight assist on (mostly) forward motion. The Crosstrek plug-in and new RAV-4 hybrid are more my taste, despite the 20% mileage hit. I liked the Crosstrek enough to have owned one for a year, until sanity regained its hold and I used that as an almost lossless trade-in for my wife's Prime. Averaged low to mid 30's MPG-wise while I had the Crosstrek. The heated windshield wiper rests are something I wished all cars had. With AWD, I'd want the ground clearance for some of the dirt and pot-holed roads and unplowed roadways in my real estate sales region, especially if it were to be my only vehicle. A little towing would be nice, but not something I've done or needed in 30 years. I used to haul stuff in a trailer behind an '85 Supra. :D

    For now, it's the Prime with Continentals with the 3 peaks symbol, and the Bolt with new but untested all-season tread.
     
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  4. priusCpilot

    priusCpilot George

    Wow you had an 85 Supra? What a great car! I had a few my self but now sticking to my 2 92' turbo cars. One I plan to build 1500+whp out of the 7M engine which is life goal lol. Was your 85 a P-Type with the fender flairs?
     
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  5. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2018 Bolt EV and 2017 Prime

    The '85 was 1 year before the model went turbo. I liked the naturally aspirated small straight six a lot.

    Back then, it wasn't that different from the Celica, hence Celica Supra. It's no where in the league of the follow-on models.
     
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  6. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Heck , I thought the four-cylinder mid-80's Celica was GREAT. As far as I know , Toyota coined the term "liftback" for
    that car. Why don't they call the Prius something like Prius Liftback ? It would make sense if you have three or
    more Prius models.
     
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  7. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2018 Bolt EV and 2017 Prime

    I thought they (Toyota) did, for the Gen3 at least...
     
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  8. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    No matter what gimmicky renaming they coin, that doesn't keep a hatchback from being a hatchback. I have a more radical suggestion: Call substantially different models by different names, and tell the truth about body configurations. Calling the Prius station wagon a "v," and calling the hatchback hybrid Yaris a "Prius c" seems designed to confuse.
     
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  9. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    They were creating the Prius "family". A whole happy family of cars , one for every type of tree-hugger.
    I think cars should have names. Proud names , like Civic, Accord , Impala , Regal.
    Made-up names ( like most Toyotas ) are also okay , especially when you have 30 or 40 years ( or 50 for Corolla ).
    Certain huge automakers that we don't really have to name just change the name of the car whenever they start to get a bad
    CR rating. Some people are fooled.
     
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  10. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    I found liftback useful for distinguishing between the sloped profile/kammback and short wagon type of hatchbacks.

    Technically, the Aqua/Prius c is a different car than the Yaris hybrid; slight differences in length and such. The Yaris exists to avoid import tariffs, but the Aqua will likely be replaced by a global Yaris in the near future. If we get it, it will probably still be called a Prius c.

    The Prius naming was messed up since they used numbers and Roman numerals for the trims. Which worked wonderfully with the Prius v. Prius Plus was fine elsewhere.

    I actually preferred my Sonic over the Camry.
     
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  11. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    I make a distinction between full-length hatchbacks (e.g., regular Prius, Saab 9000, early 00's Elantra hatch ... ) and sawed-off stubby hatchbacks (e.g., AMC Gremlin, Yaris, Prius c, Fiesta, etc.). The former type tends to be aerodynamically better, roomier, heavier, and the same length as its corresponding sedan sibling (if any).

    I admit I oversimplified in calling the "c" a Yaris. You are correct there. I still think it needed a better name of its own.
     
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  12. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    What is the difference between the long hatchback and a wagon then? Using a basic definition, they are the same.

    Agreed. It's like calling the Camry hybrid a Prius s. I think it will be a moot point, as I don't see the Prius c sticking around in the US if gas prices stay where they are at.
     
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  13. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    The burning question I have : why did the Prius c EPA ratings get knocked down a few years ago. Everyone here saw
    what Wayne could do with the c in 2012. It's a very capable MPG weapon. I was originally going to buy the c ,
    but the discounts on the liftback were VERY attractive. Also , the liftback swallows a mountainbike without disassembly.

    Why , Toyota , why ?
     
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  14. priusCpilot

    priusCpilot George

    I know, the EPA is way off on the C now? No way I have seen those numbers. 43MPG HWY? I have driven 75-80MPH on road trips and I would still hit 48-50MPG on tanks blasting! The only way I can see anyone getting the low EPA MPG is if its ice cold out and you drive like an animal. You also have the heat on along with the seat heaters. You have the lights on and radio is blasting. Your charging multiple device. Your tires are at 25psi. Maybe a roof rack also lol. With all this I can see the 43MPG rating on the on the HWY in the C.
     
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  15. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    The 2016 changes to the EPA testing rules.
    Cars new for 2016 were tested under them back then. The EPA has since been going through the previous years' models and adjusting their results for fair comparisons, just like they did back with the 2008 changes.
    The coast down test used for determining the dynamometer load for the actual tests now starts at 70mph instead of 50mph. That factor probably hurt the Prius c.
     
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  16. priusCpilot

    priusCpilot George

    The estimate is wrong as we know and if they redid the test rather then do some estimate it would be higher MPG.
     
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  17. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    Then complain to Toyota. It is the manufacturer that performs the test and submits the numbers they want on the label. The EPA only tests about 10% of the car models available themselves. They mostly just signs off on those numbers after reviewing the paper work.

    The recent changes to the rules result in more conservative results. Any adjustments will only go down. Toyota regularly underestimates the numbers on the window sticker, and may even have kept the Prius c's numbers lower to not outshine the Prius. If the new values are considered too low here, it is because of choices Toyota made.
     
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  18. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I would believe that. Most likely , the c will beat the liftback ( in most but not all scenarios ) in the hands of a committed and competent driver.

    That's my best guess.
     
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  19. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    For that driver, driving for mpg, yes. In the "scenario" of steady high speeds in easy terrain, probably not, because the c has higher aero drag, and its smaller engine is probably less efficient delivering that much power.
     
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  20. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    Even before those [c. 2007?] changes, it was easy to beat the EPA's reported highway numbers under reasonably favorable conditions, because after about 1984(?) the numbers they reported were only 78% of actual test results. The corresponding fudge factor for the city results: 90%.
     
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