LRR tire for 2012 Elantra

Discussion in 'General' started by schuylkill, Nov 2, 2018.

  1. schuylkill

    schuylkill Well-Known Member

    I have a set of the Ecopia EP422 Plus on the car now that will soon need replacing and I am very unhappy with them. I replaced a set of EP422 that I ran previously and I loved them so figured the Plus would be a smart buy. Wrong. I have about 35K on them and they are near death. I got 60-80K on every other tire I've used on this car except for the original set (have 285K on car.) The EP422s were very quiet and smooth. The Plus set with its new tread design was loud and rough riding. I was disappointed from the start. They did do well in snow when newish but that's all I have good to say on them.

    So any suggestions on where to go from here? I don't plan to do much winter driving. I appreciate as quiet a ride as I can get. I'm also looking to get more of a budget tire or at least a deal with rebates, etc. I've been using Discount Tire Online and use their card for financing so tires they offer (there are many) is probably the way I will buy. I have the 15" wheels on the car. Any opinions on the new Hankook Kinergy PT H737? Anyway thanks for looking and break is over.
     
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  2. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2018 Bolt EV and 2017 Prime

    Looks good on paper. I don't know whether you care about driving in snow conditions or not. I suggest you check additional tire sites for more reviews.

    Here's one review on the T-Rack that gives a favorable impression: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=228

    Better price and discount on the site you mentioned...
     
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  3. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    I've had good experiences with the Michelin Defenders.

    I'm rolling on Goodyear Fuelmax right now. They're good for mpg. Good noise and traction for the first half of their life, but then they get slippery and noisy.
     
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  4. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    I'm due to be shopping soon, too. With nearly 53k on the Sailun Atrezzo 402SHs installed by the dealer, they're getting thin. Size is 195/65-15. I've collected prices for many models from several sources, mostly on-line ones so far. The Hankook you mentioned appears to be one of the best in UTQG (or warranted) tread life per dollar. I have no clue as to its other attributes---or those of any other model, other than ones claimed to be LRR, which all are priced considerably higher.
     
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  5. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    I really like the Michelin tires that are on our Chevy Bolt EV. They are Energy Saver A/S Green X - you can get them without the self-sealing coating.

    They are actually pretty decent in the winter - on the Bolt EV, at least.
     
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  6. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2018 Bolt EV and 2017 Prime

    I happen to like the idea of the self-sealing tire, given the lack of spare tires these days, and typically a bottle of goo and if lucky a pump as the only emergency offering. I hope these Michelins work okay in snow... to be seen.
     
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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Schuylkill:

    A few of my own thoughts.

    I was considering the Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 Plus for my Elantra, now with 68k miles on the OEM P195/65R15 Nexen N Priz AH8 w/ a UTQG of 500 A A. The Nexen N Priz AH8s rears of all things got noisy around 55k miles so I rotated from front to back to even out the wear and possibly reduce noise. With 67k miles of rideshare on them now, I still have 3/32nd front and rear so it is getting close but they are definitely louder than new. Very typical for any tire that is approaching EOL in my experience.

    The Ecopia EP422 Plus comes in three different tires in the same size with similar specs. Two are H- or V-Speed Rated w/ UTQG: 640 or 540 A A and the third is S- or T-Speed Rated w/ UTQG of 600 A A. To hear that your set wore out at just 35k would dissuade me from using Bridgestone again. 35k from a tire with a higher UTQG? That has me confused as well.

    Every time I have driven the Michelin Energy Saver A/S' in rain or snow on any number of vehicles, I have found their wet traction suspect by comparison to the Bridgestone Ecopia EP422 Plus and Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max. As in really slick. They are the lowest RRC but are definitely a compromise.

    The Hankook KINERGY "PT" and its sky high 860 AA UTQG has me very interested given the possible longevity, Eco focused design, 90k mile warranty, and the price at $79.48 from Tirerack. The GTs with a 540 UTQG A A are one of three OEM tires on my 18 Elantra ECO and the newer PTs appear even better on paper!

    WalMart has the Hankook KINERGY PT (H737) in P195/65R15 for an even better $65.96 per tire. Mounting and Balancing adds $12 per tire and about 2 hours of my time which is probably what I am going to do as well.

    [​IMG]

    There was a $50 Mail in Rebate directly from Hankook on a set of 4 but it ended on September 21st.

    IHTHs?

    Wayne
     
  8. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2018 Bolt EV and 2017 Prime

    I can confirm some of that slickness from a drive yesterday on wet roads with no standing water. I wondered what was up with that... I thought maybe new tred (4k miles) or the extra torque from the Bolt EV.
     
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  9. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    We got our Bolt EV in September 2017, and when the tires are new, at least, they work fairly well. In the snow we got last winter, at least.
     
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  10. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2018 Bolt EV and 2017 Prime

    Thanks, Neil. I'll try to post my impressions this winter.
     
  11. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    WalMart's prices mostly match Amazon's (or vice versa?) on Hankooks. There's a $60 rebate on through November 30.
     
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  12. 08EscapeHybrid

    08EscapeHybrid Moderator

    I've been very pleased with the Michelin Defenders on my FEH. Very smooth and quiet. I've had them about 5 months now.
     
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  13. It's not just the Michelin energy savers that are slick in snow and wet. The LTX M/S lrr tires I had on the last truck were Scarry in the snow.
     
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  14. 08EscapeHybrid

    08EscapeHybrid Moderator

    I never had problems with my old Latitude Tours in the snow. Others had said they had problems though. I think the 4wd on the FEH may have overcame any shortcomings of the tire in the snow. I don't have any snow or ice experience on the Defenders yet, but my niece has a set of Defenders on her CR-V, and she loves them.
     
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  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Sure enough, talk about it and it was bound to happen.

    As we all battle the open road in one form or another, one driver was shot down in flames tonight with not nearly a whimper.

    Within seconds of driving out of the garage, the TPMS light was on and a 27 psi right front was displayed. I was losing about 4 psi per hour with tire fills about every 45-minutes. The loss rate is now exceeding 6 psi per hour and this driver is offline with a busted right front wing. :(

    After 70k miles of brutal Chicago and San Diego rideshare incl. crossing the country numerous times with Hyundai's OEM Nexen N-Priz on the #Elantra Eco, just 3/32 of tread all-around says it was time.

    HankookTireUSA, four 90k mile warranty P195/65 R15 #KINERGY PTs will soon be installed in their place. :)

    [​IMG]

    The only Hankook rebate I could find was a $60 Visa card if you purchased it through TireBuyer. Using their installers, the price would be more than ordering directly through Walmart with the included installation and TPMS add-on. The Walmart install is $60 + 19 for a mandatory environmental and disposal fee for the old tires. 6-days lead time at best plus tax of course.

    Walmart: $255.64 + $60 for install + $19 for the disposal fees = $334.64 + Tax.

    Discount tire has the same Hankook KINERGY PT (H737) in P195/65R15 tires for $57 a piece plus a $95 install fee including TPMS programming if needed and $19 for a mandatory environmental and disposal fee for the old tires. $323 + $18.60 tax in and out and complete by Wednesday. They offer a $50 mail-in pre-paid MC rebate if you use a Discount Tire Credit Card as well.

    In the meantime, I used the inflator kit with sealant to bring it back to 32 psi. I am debating whether to drive on it or not as that screw or rivet is still stuck in the tire. The smart play would be wait until Tuesday. I am not that smart however. :D

    Wayne
     
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  16. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    How does the PT H737 rate in rolling resistance? I need to be shopping for the same size soon. Greenville Walmart says $13.5 apiece to install.
     
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  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi RedylC94:

    They appear to be close to the top but not the top in terms of RRc from their - Hankook's - own charts. What that means however is I do not know? Tirerack is giving them an Eco Focus moniker in their search of tires in my size. 31 others with many the same tire but different speed ratings. Ecopia's in three offerings as listed above for example.

    Kontrol Technology is part of the ST and PT Kinergy tire lineup.

    Fuel Efficient, Eco-friendly Driving
    That is all I have.

    Wayne
     
  18. 08EscapeHybrid

    08EscapeHybrid Moderator

    Update: We had a couple inches of snow the other morning, and the Defenders did quite well on the FEH.
     
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  19. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    I know people who like those, but they're considerably more expensive than the aforementioned Hankook PT H737. Justifiably so?
     
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  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Tire Rack's Review of the Hankook KINERGY PT vs the Continental TrueContact, Michelin Defender, and Pirelli P4 Four Seasons Plus. The Hankook INERGY PT performed very well indeed.

    August 11, 2017

    Tires Tested and Impressions

    Continental TrueContact (Standard Touring All-Season, 215/60R16 95T)

    What We Liked: Ride and noise comfort are top-notch, a proven winter performer.
    What We'd Improve: The around-town steering response and handling could be a little more involving.
    Conclusion: Should deliver many miles of satisfaction.

    Hankook Kinergy PT (Standard Touring All-Season, 215/60R16 95H)

    What We Liked: Delivered best in test performance in our dry and wet track testing.
    What We'd Improve: The ride is a little firm, feels nervous over grooved concrete.
    Conclusion: A new option that is a good addition to the category.

    Michelin Defender T+H (Standard Touring All-Season, 215/60R16 95H)

    What We Liked: Feels sporty around town, performs at a relatively high level in all aspects.
    What We'd Improve: It could be a little quieter with a more forgiving ride.
    Conclusion: A solid choice for your daily commute.

    Pirelli P4 Four Seasons Plus (Standard Touring All-Season, 215/60R16 95T)

    What We Liked: The ride is composed and refined.
    What We'd Improve: Needs a big increase in wet traction to keep up with the competition.
    Conclusion: A nice tire for nice days, but be careful if it rains.
     

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