Tire Question: What Would You Do?

Discussion in 'General' started by Jay, Oct 5, 2018.

  1. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    I have a 2002 Acura RSX with 210kmi and I plan on giving it up next spring for the new Mazda3. The tires are old Michelin Primacy MXV4 that are fine on dry roads but no good at all on ice. If I were wintering in Tucson, I would keep the tires but I've decided to stay in Idaho this winter and that means getting new tires. Should I get winter tires or all-season tires?

    I have never had dedicated winter tires before. How do they do in the summer? I'm keeping an eye to resale value and I'd like to get something that will maximize resale value but I also want something that performs really well on ice because that will be the environment I'm driving in till I trade the car. What would you do and why?
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  2. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Jay , I'm wrestling with that same dilemma. I've never had dedicated winter tires before ( I'm 65) , but after last December's accident , I'm seriously considering it.
    When I was living with Fiancee #2 , I bought some for her car and I was amazed when I drove it in the snow. Unstoppable ! I mean , it would stop , turn , accelerate just fine. Now my OEM Yokohama rim protectors have 72K miles on them and I don't think I wanna drive on these thru another snow event. S0........new snow tires, wheels, sensors for $800-900 or just some decent quality LRR all-season ? I do have storage space for the winter tires. I think I have a few more questions for Tire Rack before I pull the trigger. But I know I need to do it.
    And it is NOT recommended to use them for summer , or really any longer than the possibility of snow exists. They are softer than all-season tires and will wear faster. Feel free to correct me if that's wrong , there may be other reasons , too.
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  3. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    I use winter tires from December to March but I'm not sure I would spend the money if the car was being traded or sold in six months. A set of winter tires on dedicated wheels makes a car worth more if it is sold in a snow-prone area, but I'm not sure you'd get anywhere near the amount you paid for the whole kit.
    You shouldn't use winter tires in warmer weather. In short-sleeve weather, the soft rubber wears very quickly, and dry road handling becomes sloppy.

    You can choose all-season tires that are tested to do fairly well in winter. Tire Rack tests some in ice/snow and there are some brands that do better than others. Having "new" tires will help resale in the Spring.

    If you do need to do a lot of driving in icy weather, winter tires are well worth the cost for keeping all four corners of the car straight and clean, and also quality of life - far less stress.
    Getting the tires on a cheap set of steelies minimizes the investment and makes installation easy.
    The tire/wheel set can always be craigslisted after the Acura goes away because people in Idaho with a Honda/Acura or Toyota/Scion compact will eagerly buy them in the Fall. I sold an old set of Blizzaks on steel wheels, when they were worn just about to the snow bars, for $250. And that was after using them for five seasons. And that's in the NYC area. People will buy second-hand snow tires.
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  4. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the comments. My car is worth maybe $1000 and I hate putting a lot of money into it just before I trade it. I hate crashing even worse, though. :p

    I hadn't thought to look at Craigslist. That might be the way to go.
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  5. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    Craigslist, assuming you are near Boise - https://boise.craigslist.org/search/wto?query=winter+tires - you can change location with the dropdown box on the left and keep the tire query.
    I see these - https://boise.craigslist.org/wto/d/winter-tires-and-rims/6702308102.html - up by Nampa, if you can jam 205-60-16s into your wheelwells. Stock size is 205-55-16 so the snows are about 7/8" taller.
    They're multipattern 5x110 (GM/Opel/Fiat) and 5x4.5 which is 5x114.3. The RSX should be standard Honda 5x114.3 over 64.1mm center bore. You will likely need centering rings to step down the generic wheel center bore to 64.
    Asking 395 but you can likely knock them down a little. I usually tell them I am broke because i am spending all my money on a pet psychatrist to help my pet mongoose overcome a fear of snakes. Poor thing is starving to death.
    I'd bet money you could turn around and sell them next year for about what you paid for them, too.
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  6. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    Boise is a possibility but its 300 miles away. I owe my brother a nice dinner and he's in Boise. Hmmm. I'll try locally first.
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  7. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

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  8. For the last 10 years I've had dedicated snow tires/wheels for my 2wd trucks and vans. Unbelievable difference. In heavy snow and or ice, my rwd truck accelerates off the line and stops better than the awd/fwd/4wd vehicles that think they're invincible. Will never go without snow tires unless I am too broke to afford them. Bought a dedicated set for the wife's caravan, and looking for a used set for the kids Saturn ( have the wheels, just need tires)

    If you're getting rid of the vehicle in the spring, 98%+ of people probably won't notice if it's summer or winter tires. When I traded in my xB it had blizzaks on it . dealership said they didn't care summer vs winter only tread depth.

    X4 on Craigslist. I did get the wife's winter tires on Craigslist .Used 1 winter $250 for the set
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  9. Blackbelt

    Blackbelt Well-Known Member

    I've always used the analogy that you would not go out to shovel the snow off of your driveway wearing sandals, right? So why drive on "sandals"? Get yourself(and your car) some good boots, AKA winter tires. I put a set of Firestone winterforce II's on my Prius C last winter and it was fantastic in the snow. The difference really is dramatic. I would follow Maxx suggestion, find a good set of used ones. Nothing below 6/32" of tread depth. Preferably 8/32 or deeper. Below 6/32 they really can't do the job and clear the snow and arent much better than good all seasons when you hit 4/32"
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  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Jay:

    The Blizzaks are great winter tires the few times I have driven with them on snow in the Mazda products but they wear quickly. Maybe 5k miles and the grip is back to all-seasons.

    I wish I could provide more help?

  11. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    I finally made a decision on the tires. I ended up with 4 new Toyo Celsius tires. These are all-weather tires--as opposed to all-season tires. All-weather are a new tire category, at least to me. They are similar to all-season in that you use them all year around, but the tire performance is biased toward snow and ice traction. In contrast, all-season tires are more like 3-season tires. The Toyo Celsius earns the three-peak Euro/Canadian mountain snowflake designation that you would expect to see on a good dedicated snow tire but they perform much better in the summer and have a tread life warranty. Not many tire makers offer an all-weather tire. I chose the Toyos because I've had 2 sets of Toyos before on this car and liked them a lot. I just got them mounted today and no snow yet, so I can't report how they work on snow and ice--but soon.


    The tires I just removed were Michelin Primacy mxv4 which wore like iron. 69000 miles on them and they would have gone another 10000. Unfortunately, they were scary dangerous on ice and snow and I wouldn't chance another winter on them.
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  12. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    The All Weather tire market has grown out of people wanting something better than "all season" but live in an area that doesn't justify the $1k investment in winter tires on dedicated wheels with pressure sensors.

    The trade-off on most of these is that they are somewhat noisier than all-seasons and they don't roll as well, but a little more pressure can offset that a bit. They don't have the "stick to ice" compound of winter rubber but blow away all-seasons in snow - from dusting to deep. They do pretty will on ice since their compound doesn't harden quite as much in sub-freezing temps.

    With the greater tread depth, don't think these tires will keep the RSX Canyon Carver status. Expect some audible growling on hard cornering, and a bit of a rubbery feeling through the steering wheel. When the snow comes, though, you will really appreciate the new tires.
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  13. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Wow, you're pretty spot on with the price estimate. I bought a dedicated set of alloy wheels, TPMS and Conti Extreme Contact (mountain peaks & snow symbol) tires from the T-rack 5 years ago for just under $1k. I bought them for the 2012 Plug-in Prius I had, but now they're on the wife's Prime. I'm not bothering with the reprogramming of the TPMS sensor module this time though. In the future, I think I'd buy the tires more locally and save the shipping cost. I'd also have the tires directly replacing an existing set. Net cost should be under $350 for the dinky tire sizes I'm interested in. :D

    These tires are very nice in snow and icy conditions (not ice), but they are quite noisy in comparison to the all-season OEM tred.

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  14. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    I've only got about 25 miles on these so far but I would say they are a touch stiffer than the Michelin touring tires I had and significantly quieter (strangely enough). They track straight enough and I don't have any experience with hard cornering yet. It's not only tough to justify the expense of two sets of tires on a really old car but as an apartment dweller, I don't have the storage space either. I even did the snowbird thing and wintered in Tucson last year to spare the trouble and expense of new tires on my car but wouldn't you know it--I ran into extreme white-knuckle blizzards in Flagstaff on the way down and also coming back. These tires set me back about $550 after installation. I had to fight my natural cheapskate tendency since these are a safety item. I just sank $150 into a new oxygen sensor also. Sucks to have to dump so much money into a car I plan on selling next spring.
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  15. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Looks like a wise choice, Jay, with these unpredictable weather changes. Great that they're running quieter than expected.
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  16. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    Just a follow up to let folks know that the Toyo Celsius tires are a huge win in snow and ice conditions. I've never driven tires that gave me so much confidence in Idaho winters.
  17. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Used, larger than standard, tires(sweet alloy wheels, too) from Craigslist on two of our cars, work great. Larger tires/wheels give better handling, lower rpms & MPG haven't gone down(one of the cars, MPG went up). Fortunately, both our cars have the very common 5x4.5in. & 4x100mm bolt patterns, with lots of choices. Have good talks with great helpful people, even better than many tire store businesses. Love Craigslist!
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  18. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Ummm. I actually never addressed the original premise of this thread, in this thread. This answer, in part, comes from another thread:
    Rummaging thru my used tires, I belatedly found out two were the same size, never ever used, AND BOTH were considered to be good in the snow (tho not snow tires). I never had tires that were good in the snow, so I immediately had my mechanic put them on my Hyundai Elantra fronts for the winter. The snow fell, & I had better snow control than I'd ever had in 50 years of driving. Also, I had two free true snow tires (w/studs) & had them put on my Accent fronts. The Accent had exceptional braking in the snow & ice with the low PSI studded snow tires. When the snow started disappearing, I pumped up the tires. Found a two mile long patch of snow. Despite the pumped up snow studded tires, they still gave good directional braking. I was very happy, & love snow tires now.
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  19. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Word of advice. For full control in icy conditions, don't neglect the rears.
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  20. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Someone else said that. Got by OK for 50 years. I told people about making my winter driving better, even on the rears. Now people are telling me to make it better, still. Nah, I'll stick with what I have.
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