2019 Subaru Crosstrek PHEV!

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    2019 Subaru Crosstrek PHEV - Interior

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  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    2019 Subaru Crosstrek PHEV - Off-road

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    I drove the 2019 Subaru Crosstrek PHEV from ~ 100 ft ASL to as high as 3,000 ft ASL on a one-lane dirt trail and no guard rails all the way up to the peak in the background of the second pic. This PHEV does indeed have an off-road heritage and capability.
     
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  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    2019 Subaru Crosstrek PHEV - Rear Cargo Area Utility

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    The 2019 Subaru Crosstrek PHEV has a Cargo Capacity of 15.9 cu. ft. with the seats up and 43.1 cu. ft. with the seats down. This compares to the regular Crosstrek at 20.8 cu. ft. and 55.3 cu. ft. respectively.
     
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  4. priusCpilot

    priusCpilot George

    Nice review! 1000lbs is a start but for me I'd like 2000llbs at least.
     
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  5. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    I think the loss of cargo space is going to hurt this Subaru. More so than the Prius Prime, because I expect potential owners put more value into that.
    Otherwise, I'd pick Subaru over Mitsubishi in that price range, but will wait to see the Escape.
    Once came across an article that went into the differences between American and European trailer regulations, but the points were mentioned here. For a 2013 Sonic and 2016 Camry, the UK limit for trailer weight without trailer brakes is 500kg, and that seems to be the case for all.
    The stability factor is big. Towing cars in the UK are limited to 60mph max. It isn't a suggestion, because going not too much faster will result in losing control of the trailer with those tongue weight ratios.
    The UK tongue weight of a trailer is half that what is called for in the US. So at best, the European tow ratings will be cut in half for the US. Then I bet the standards for determining that rating there is like their fuel economy ones; easy, and not like the recent SAE standard that most manufacturers are using for their trucks now.

    So in the US, cars might be able to tow 1100 pounds before the trailer needs brakes. Which is plenty for many, but it isn't enough for most manufacturers to bother with. Though, there are still some cars out there with official US tow ratings.
     
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  6. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    I was interested in this at first, but not as much anymore after seeing the cargo space compromises and the pricing.
     
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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The official EPA for the 2019 Subaru Crosstrek Hybrid as a hybrid with the 17-mile range 8 kWh Prius Prime pack drained to Hybrid only mode is 36/35/35 mpgUS city/highway/combined.

    For the first fully charged segment and on the pack, Subaru took us up a mountain off-road from ~ 100 ft ASL to ~ 3,000 ft ASL. Not much of a test here since it was off-road up 10+ percent grades over very rough boulder strewn terrain.

    As a hybrid only on paved roads, the Crosstrek proved it can run with the headliners - RAV4 Hybrid and upcoming Escape Hybrid albeit smaller than either - with this two direction along the same route measured but uncalibrated result:

    2019 Subaru Crosstrek PHEV-17 First Drive Hybrid Only Efficiency Results

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    Given the Crosstrek Hybrid uses the all-new 18 Camry Hybrid transaxle, I was wondering if Warp-Neutral worked. Yup, it works. ;)

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    Wayne
     
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  8. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    The 2020 Crosstrek Hybrid has a heat pump heater just like the Prius Prime! And traction battery pre-heating and pre-cooling albeit with cabin air. Both pieces of info were more definitively stated in the owner's manual.
     
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  9. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    Well, Subaru is "owned" by Toyota, and many parts come from the Prime. The motors and battery are the same.

    The Prime really doesn't have battery preheating. The main purpose of the resistance heater is frost protection; charging Li-ion at freezing temps with damage the cells. The heater heats the pack up above those temps, but not to a temperature that allows efficient charging, which is what preheating generally refers too.

    A hypothesis at Pruischat has the battery cooling being mostly for creature comfort. The charger is in the cabin, so it will add heat while working. The option to turn the battery cooling on pops up after turning the car off; there isn't a menu option to always be used whenever the temperatures are high.

    The Crosstrek plug in likely works the same way as the Prime.
     
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  10. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Too bad they don't/won't/never will use this drivetrain on an Impreza hatch.
     
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  11. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    And risk direct Prius Prime competition, why would they do that?
     
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  12. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    For all intents, that's all the Crosstrek is... It's just friendlier to us older folk with bad knees. :D (I don't have bad knees, but I can empathize and I think it would be more comfortable for the wife to get into than an Impreza.) She didn't like the ride in my Bolt which is taller as well. She thought the ride was too stiff and choppy.

    I agree in principle, though, I agree that the Prius Prime and soon to be RAV4 Prime drivetrains should be put into *everything* out there.

    There's no competition unless Subaru improves the efficiency of their engines to 40%+ efficiency, right?
     
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  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Bill:
    So true on both counts!!!

    Wayne
     
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  14. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    The Prius or Prime drivetrain in an Impreza ( always awd , always small letters )
    would never give real competition to the Prius or Prime. Apples vs oranges.
    Toyota can continue along the road to world hybrid dominance without worry.
     
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  15. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    lol rotfl :D:D
     
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  16. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    That isn't what the executives and public would be looking at. It will be normal looking hatchback to the stylings of the gen4 Prius.;) Plus the lack of AWD in the Prime.
     
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  17. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Given expected delays in availability of the RAV4 Prime (it will be in great demand when it comes), I have examined my expected vehicle uses for the next few years and decided to trade in my very gently and underutilized Bolt EV on a 2020 Crosstrek 'Prime'. I didn't lose much ($500 maybe) in the original acquisition and eventual trade of the Bolt EV. I paid much more in sales and excise taxes during the 2 years of ownership. Insurance wasn't a large expense as I have a clean driving record and I didn't bother with collision insurance, just liability. Energy cost was practically nil. I also believe I got a great deal on the Crosstrek. End of the month purchase off the lot may have helped a bit. The color looks washed out in the image below. The color is called 'cool gray khaki'. I don't know where they got the name khaki from. I thought khaki was a beigy/tan color and this one is more blue.

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    I haven't driven it much so far, but it exceeds my expectations. My wife has driven it more this week as her Prius Prime is in the shop. An older lady scraped the rear quarter panel of the Prius while our car was parked outside a bank. The wife likes driving the Crosstrek, versus her not liking to drive the Bolt EV at all. EV mode in the Crosstrek is excellent just like in the Prius, and easily exceeds the 90 MPGe rating. To me, it is as efficient as the Bolt EV for around town, though obviously not as powerful. When driving in hybrid mode, it is a bit more difficult to get good results, but I figured it got about 50+ MPG on the way home from the dealership. I kept it out of EV mode just to see how it did. I now use a spreadsheet to track trip efficiency with blended hybrid and EV modes. Just input aFCD MPG and the number of bars consumed (20 bars = full charge) and distance driven and the MPGe comes out.

    For a couple of round trips of 11 miles each, running errands around town, the MPGe was 174 and 185 respectively, all in EV mode without the engine starting up. Temperatures were 50-60 degF.

    It may be a long time before I'll be able to run a full tank of gas through to see how hybrid mode did, and it will still be an un-calibrated result so I may never know. I'll rely on the aFCD being good enough for my purposes.

    The only negative to me is the wide tires on 18" wheels. That will be the problem when I do more highway miles with it. With minimal EV support, a couple of highway trips with high speeds and elevation changes netted a low of 38 MPG and a high of 41, so a big drop from the Prius Prime. That's about par with the Ford C-MAX Energi that we had a few years ago. That one had fat tires and big wheels, too.

    Oh yes, the heat pump heater is wonderful! It seems a little less noisy than the one in the Prius Prime, as it sounds from outside the vehicle but inside a garage. I tested a 10 minute pre-heat cycle without the car being plugged in, and it consumed 1 mile of EV range.

    A bonus I wasn't expecting was the 10 years of free use of the remote connectivity features.

    I'm still waiting for the RAV4 Prime to eventually replace our Prius Prime, but it is no longer a given.
     
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  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Bill:

    That came out of the blue and congratulations!!!

    Wayne
     
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  19. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Thanks, Wayne. I may have been too subtle when I started talking about bits from the owner's manual and then my profile changed ever so slightly by not listing my vehicles. :) I almost felt guilty not declaring the change immediately. :D

    My attitude has changed of late. Life is short. I want to enjoy life more. So this vehicle is not about the best efficiency and getting from point A to point B. I'm enjoying the luxurious extras, too. The practical aspects are just part of my DNA.
     
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