2019 Subaru Crosstrek PHEV!

Discussion in 'In the News' started by xcel, May 14, 2018.

  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    [​IMG] Finally a hybrid moniker worthy Subaru!

    Wayne Gerdes – CleanMPG – May 14, 2018

    2018 Subaru Crosstrek

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    Limited non-PHEV shown.​

    Subaru just announed that it is going to offer its first-ever plug-in hybrid vehicle (PHEV), the 2019 Crosstrek PHEV. The new Crosstrek Hybrid maintains all the capability of the traditional Subaru Crosstrek but with a large yet to be announce increase in efficiency. It can be driven as a normal Hybrid, using both gas and electric power, or driven on pure electric drive for local commuting while drawing down from a yet to be disclosed Li-Ion pack size.

    The Crosstrek PHEV is a more advanced version of the compact Crosstrek SUV that has become the brand’s third best-selling model in America. The 2019 Subaru Crosstrek Hybrid uniquely integrates the Toyota Hybrid System (THS) with Subaru’s four-cylinder direct-injection BOXER engine, Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive and an all-new transmission. The Crosstrek Hybrid combines the wide-ranging off-road capability of the gas-powered Crosstrek with hybrid efficiency.

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    XV Crosstek April 2018 sales of 12,266 were up 69.9 percent over the 7,218 sold in April of 2017. On a DSR basis, sales were up 84.1 percent with 24 selling days in April of 2018 vs. 26 days in April of 2017. YTD sales of 45,728 were up 66. percent over the 27,456 sold through the same period of 2017.

    Arriving at Subaru retailers near the end of this year, the 2019 Crosstrek Hybrid will also feature unique styling, calling out its distinct abilities. Like the gas-powered Crosstrek models, the 2019 Crosstrek Hybrid is built around the Subaru Global Platform that was designed to accommodate hybrid and electric powertrains.

    Early conclusions?

    It will certainly be more efficient and finally a full hybrid vs. the previous gens sort of hybrid. Adding plug-in capability only helps. Will it be using the latest THS or the previous gen? Will the Boxer be atkinsonized to the nth degree allowing the motor to make up for the loss of torque or will they be pulling a performance hybrid trick? All questions while I await this cannot wait to drive PHEV.
     
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  2. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    It's SO efficient and fuel is SO cheap , it's "okay" to strap "aero aids" to the roof.
     
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  3. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2018 Bolt EV and 2017 Prime

    The Crosstrek PHEV should still do better than other CUV hybrids and current plug-ins. I'm thinking RAV4, Outlander, etc. It's all good compared to ICE only.
     
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  4. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Let me guess?, ..
    Towing capacity for the ICE: 1,500 lbs.
    Towing capacity for the hybrid : N/A.
     
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  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    HI Bill:

    I am hoping for at least a 37/37 mpg city/highway rating in CS mode given the current Crosstrek w/ the 2.0L and 6-speed AT is rated at 27/33.

    Carcus, possibly.

    Wayne
     
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  6. SI_Prius

    SI_Prius Well-Known Member

    Is PHEV version for US only or will it be a global model? In Europe this car is not called Crosstrek but XV, but essentially the same car.

    The first news when I heard about PHEV model was that it will use Prius Prime hybrid system and e-AWD, don't know if that is correct or not.

    Prius can tow a 1,598 lbs trailer in Europe, RAV4 e-AWD has higher tow rating than 2WD Hybrid, I expect towing will be allowed with Crosstrek e-AWD even in US.
     
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  7. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    This is interesting. I would have given it serious consideration if it was out a year ago when I was looking for a new vehicle.
     
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  8. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    Using the Prime system was just speculation upon the original announcement. I don't think Subaru even said if they were using Toyota technology or not in their first release.

    It sounds like they are replacing the transmission with the hybrid system, and are keeping the their engine and mechanical AWD.
     
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  9. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Too bad. Adding the complete Prime drivetrain AND keeping the Subaru AWD would have been nice.
     
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  10. SI_Prius

    SI_Prius Well-Known Member

    IMO Keeping mechanical AWD would be a big mistake.
     
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  11. BillLin

    BillLin MASS: 2018 Bolt EV and 2017 Prime

    I had similar thoughts... If the Crosstrek PHEV had been available in 2016, I would still be driving it, but then I would have missed out on the Bolt EV that I have now. I wanted AWD so badly I went with the 2016 Crosstrek (over a RAV-4 hybrid by the way). When it came down to what I really needed, I let that Crosstrek go so the wife could get into a Prius Prime while returning a 3-year old C-MAX Energi. I'm trying to behave and stay at a 2-car level. :) The AWD would have been nice for real estate business year round and on occasional bad or unpaved roads; I've been on a few with the Prime. Ouch. :(
     
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  12. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    The Prime drivetrain likely would not have fit in the Subaru's engine bay. It is built in the traditional transverse orientation for FWD. Subarus have their engines mounted longitudinally, which allows a simpler AWD drivetrain. The boxer engine is also known as a flat one because of the piston arrangement; it is physically shorter than an inline engine.

    It would take a lot of effort to get the Toyota engine into the Crosstrek, and even then they might haven't been able to use their AWD system. Atkinsonizing the boxer is much easier.
    Not for the Crosstrek demographic, or even Subaru's. Their marketing made a deal out them having symmetrical AWD over the competitors' asymmetrical systems, and Toyota's electric AWD is still asymmetrical. On road, the difference isn't that big of a deal, but off road, and the Crosstrek is the off road Imperza, it can be. I'd love a 4WD/AWD vehicle for surf fishing, but it doesn't sound like Toyota's hybrid SUVs are up to the task of crawling through soft sand for potentially miles.

    Symmetrical AWD is possible with an electric system, but it requires larger batteries and motors.
     
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  13. SI_Prius

    SI_Prius Well-Known Member

    If true, I'm really curious how they will package mechanical AWD and bigger battery. I think having two separate motors on each axle can be superior, the problem with some of the offering (eg. RAV4) is not the design but execution.
     
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